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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:29 AM
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Warner argues for states rights?
Warner argues that abortion should be a state issue and decided by the individual states.How can he get up and spew that when his party has no child left behind,DR. assisted suicide,medical Marijuana,to name only a few.They are using the states rights issue to dodge the abortion issue we can't let them get away with it.
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:34 AM
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1. I assume you mean the Republican Warner?
just to be sure.
Of course you should have learned to expect hypocrisy from them by now.
I assume you're in VA, enjoy the weather, I am.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:53 AM
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4. I was wondering if they would
run away from the abortion issue once push came to shove.I guess this answers that question.I'm not from VA saw him Russert show.I'm from WI and it's not quite as nice here but I hope you'll enjoy the day weather in spring can be fickle.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:49 PM
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9. "John NOT Mark" Lets confirm that on the threat. Thnx. n/t
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:39 AM
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2. "States rights" is right wing codespeak for:
We can't impose our will upon the people on a national level, so we'll have to do it in the states where we can get away with it.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:58 AM
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5. ONly on things like abortion. Not
of course things like medical marijuana or right to die issues.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:47 PM
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8. Correct. They used "federal rights" to impose their will in those cases.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:00 AM
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6. No it's not.
It's codespeak for segregation.

Even in this context.

It's the standard wink-wink-nod-nod southern white politicians give to southern white voters to say "yah, even though we lost with the Civil Rights Act, you know I'm still with you against these nigger loving mongrel crossbreeding city slickers."

"States' Rights", thus understood, is what created the republican party as we currently know it, and is it's singular core value.
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:22 AM
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7. Unfortunately You're Right
I wish it weren't so, because on an intellectual level I support 'State's Rights' though I generally refer to it as 'New Federalism'.

The benefit from such a policy would be a diversity of options and policies among different states.
The potential downfall of such a policy is a 'race to the bottom' in search of the lowest taxes (and thus the lowest services).
An important part of my support for New Federalism is a demand for a fundamental change in property theory and taxation:
Taxes & Gov't User Fees should recapture the value created by government goods & services. This happens in many ways, but the most fundamental one is through property values:

If I suddenly became the benevolent dictator of, say, Wyoming and suddenly implemented
Universal Healthcare
Free Public Transit
Free and excellent schools, colleges, and universities
Etc. Etc.
People would move to Wyoming for these benefits.

Unfortunately these benefits would have to be paid for.
If I did it through Income taxes, many of the people who would otherwise move there, especially those who wouldn't necessarily need the healthcare, transit and schools, would move elsewhere, taking a portion of my tax base.
If I did it through sales taxes, many of the business that would move there and employ my people would move elsewhere, or not be created. Many of my people would spend so much of there income in taxes that they wouldnt' have disposable income to save or support further commerce.
If i did it through property taxes, many of the buildings that I'd need to house and employ my people wouldn't be built.
If i did it through corporate taxes, many of the employers who might choose my state in which to locate would choose to locate elsewhere.
This is the cause of fear of a race to the bottom; It is also one of the reasons many Federal initiatives are pursued: If everyone must pay social security, no individual state is faced with cutting it or keeping it. However, even with these Federal laws ensuring equality between the states, and thus no race to the bottom, the Nation must compete against other nations. If a wage tax must be paid in the US vs. no wage tax elsewhere, all else being equal, employers will locate elsewhere - fortunately all else is rarely equal when using the US as a comparison.

To avoid a race to the bottom, we must find a source of revenue that can't be hidden, can't be moved elsewhere, and generally can't be avoided. This source of revenue must also increase as government spending is increased.

That source of revenue is ground rents. Currently, when we improve schools, or build a highway, or a subway, or other public investment, landowners in the area receive a windfall increase in wealth. These windfalls cause speculators to bid on parcels, in the hopes of continued windfalls, pricing residents out of homes. However, if the capitalized value of land is captured by public collection of annualized value, the price of obtaining land is negligible. The price of keeping land becomes significant - thus encouraging development rather than idle speculation. Generally, this curbs sprawl in faver of compact, densely developed urban areas: this must be balanced by public greenspace, which fortunately, increases the rents availabe from nearby parcels.

In short, public collection of ground rents creates a positive feedback loop, a 'race to the top', when coupled with good government.

Generally, the objections to such a plan involve fear of taking property from homeowners, even though the average homeowner owns far less than his 'fair share' of land wealth. The few extremely land-wealthy people and corporations certainly benefit disproportionatly for our concern over the retired homeowner. However, we generally have no problem with taking a 15-40% share of an individuals rightfully owned labor. Furthermore, a gradual shift to such a scheme can be coupled with protections for retired persons and those on fixed incomes.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 10:40 AM
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3. The GOP was the states rights party until that was inconvenient
Right up until 2000.

During the 2000 campaign, Bush ran as a states rights candidate. Then things got crazy in Florida and he ran to the Supreme Court. He's in the Hall of Fame for candidates who broke their promises before even being sworn in.

As an aside, Ralph Nader won that inglorious "honor" the same year.
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