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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:55 PM
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Instead of referring to it as "Pro-Choice" or a woman's "Right to Choose"
shouldn't we refer to it more often as a woman's "Freedom of Choice" instead?

To me freedom sounds better, especially when it's associated with freedom-loving people like us democrats.

I got to thinking about this when I saw the "Republicans are NOT Pro-Life" thread and I decided to do a little experiment. So....

I googled +"freedom of choice" +"roe vs wade" and came up with 16,000 hits. I kept the + signs and quotation marks exactly as I have them here.

Then I googled +"right to choose" +"roe vs wade" and came up with 75,300 hits.

Then I googled +"pro-life" +"roe vs wade" and came up with 174,000 hits!

Conclusion: "Right to choose" is being used over "Freedom of Choice" by almost 5 to 1. "Pro-life" is being used over "Freedom of Choice by almost 11 to 1. Something needs to be done about that!

Besides, the other side has been taking advantage of the word "freedom" too darn much. It's time we give them a little more competition and this is one way of doing it. Isn't it?

Gimme a little more freedom. Yeah
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:57 PM
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1. how about
changing the framing entirely and talking about "Enforced Pregnancy."
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:01 PM
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4. I like both of these frames, and intend to use them.
Thanks.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:08 PM
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6. ... Or reproductive SLAVERY?
That's really what these pinheads are all about.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:24 PM
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9. THAT'S what is is that they're trying to force on us!
Reproductive Slavery!:grr:
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SeaBob Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:25 PM
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10. choice
How about the term Forced Birth
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 07:39 AM
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14. Good one. That name is catchy enough it would make a great name for
an up and coming rock band, too. "Reproductive Slavery", yeah.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:33 PM
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12. Forced Gestation.
The forced gestationists. I used that one once and the people I was talking to either laughed or were shocked. It worked pretty well and made my point very easily.
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:58 PM
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2. That's the way to go. Bush always invokes the term "economic freedom.
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 07:59 PM by Democrats_win
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:00 PM
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3. I like it Mtnsnake.
I will start using it today. Freedom of choice, freedom to choose, along with what I currently use, reproductive freedom.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:03 PM
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5. Now, Saving Women's Lives
Because it has come down to that. Otherwise I've advocated Reproductive Freedom, or Reproductive Privacy, for a while. I like Forced Pregnancies too.

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:16 PM
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7. it is a right, because most of the women have no choice
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 08:19 PM by tocqueville
Frankly I don't really see where the "freedom" is in that story, more than the freedom to have a right...

Right to abortion is primarily a social and health womanright, secondarily a "choice".

How many women have abortion as an alternative to contraception ? Very few. Lack of contraception (for different reasons), lack of understanding, cultural coercion, financial difficulties, young age, lack of sexual education etc... force most women to abort.

That's why abortion in European countries is regulated and not left to a simple choice, "whenever-whatever". Normally abortion ABOVE the first trimester is ONLY ALLOWED if there are serious social OR medical reasons, that haven't been resolved in the first period and can't be in the future. Mostly it's for medical reasons or such a social situation that le life of a newborn and/or its mother would be really endangered if birth took place.

Right to abortion prevents from severe negative consequences for society and individuals in terms of health and well-being.

The problem with Roe/Wade is that (what I know of) those aspects are not really underlined. It's left to a "choice". Most women don't have any choice. And the lower on the social scale, the narrower the choice is.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:22 PM
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8. So true...
It's a choice in terms of having to choose this decision, but it isn't a choice when you think about the reasons most women have abortions. Usually, it is a lack of options forcing a sad decision, rather than a wide-open field of choices from which abortion is chosen.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:32 PM
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11. "Freedom" = Reproductive health and privacy-- that's it.
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:36 PM
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13. anti-enslavementbygovernment
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