Police state has begun: Author of "Bush's Brain" on NO-FLY list

[StefanX]

The police state is here now. A guy who wrote a book critical of Bush (called "Bush's Brain") has been placed on the TSA's No Fly Watch List.

He can still fly -- but he has to show up at the airport a few hours earlier every time and go through extra screening. Don't you feel safer now?

He can't ever get off the list, or find out why he's on it, or find out if he was erroneously placed on the list. There is no appeals process, no Freedom of Information Act, no transparency about the No Fly Watch List. Just a bunch of bumbling bureaucrats with no accountability. "Big government" at its worst -- something both DUers AND Freepers oppose.

Author of Bush's Brain Put On No-Fly list -- by Maccabee
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/5/85158/32663

Branded
-- by James Moore,
author of "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/branded_b_13272.html

Remember that line about the terrorists... "They hate us for our freedoms"?

Well, now we see Bush's solution: he's decided appease the terrorists by GETTING RID OF OUR FREEDOMS.

[Theres-a]

1. I saw that movie

It was chilling.Terrorist,though? No.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. Sounds like someone needs to make a no fly airlines and cater

to people who "can't fly". Wouldn't that be a hoot.

[KamaAina]

40. It already exists -- for the very rich.

It's called "executive air service" or the like. You can fly smaller planes out of general aviation airports like Teterboro, N.J. outside NYC or Hanscom near Boston, with no security hassle -- for a price.

After all, why should our valuable executives have to wait in line behind miserable stinking peons to be screened? Everybody knows suit-wearing executives never, ever commit crimes, right? :sarcasm:

[MADem]

50. NET JETS

http://www.netjets.com/default.asp

You buy a chunk of a plane, and off ya go!!! Like the average bastard can afford such luxury....

[stop the bleeding]

3. When and where does it stop?!?!?!?!

Where is the outrage America???

[kenny blankenship]

26. Where was the outrage in Germany?

you know where this stops. It doesn't stop. The Nazis were far from a majority party when they took over. But after they took over, getting obedience and even enthusiastic compliance from the vast majority of the German population was no problem. The Nazis held uncontested power for 5 years before even declaring a war! America is a land of obedient zombies. By contrast, Bush declared war almost immediately and all the zombies said Sieg Heil! from sea to shining sea. They didn't stop the war, and now that it's lost they don't want to lose it either. Therefore there's probably even less reason to think that our fellow zombie "citizens" have the slightest inclination to halt the erosion of their own civil liberties. Zombies DON'T NEED civil liberties. So it doesn't stop: it gets worse and worse until the monsters that always climb to the top of the Fascist hierarchy pull the roof down on themselves and the rest of us.

[stop the bleeding]

29. I think the roof is being pulled down now.

Don't get eliminated!

[kenny blankenship]

31. Maybe. The failure of the war has indeed had some effect on the zombies

as failed wars tend to do. However, the illusion and spell has not been quite shattered. (And doubts on Iraq don't mean they question the dangers of Bush's Global War on Everything) It's sort of like Vietnam. As long as we aren't actually driven from the field and massacred, the zombies can tell each other that we can't let go of Iraq because we might somehow still win.
In any case, the disenchantment with Bush's miserable failure in Iraq hasn't yet grown to the extent that it has brought the zombies around to caring about the police state Bush is steadily creating here at home.
Zombies care about losing in Iraq, they care A LOT. But they still don't need any Constitutional rights--aside from the implicit right to consume more and more square miles of farmlands, more gallons of gasoline, more cubic yards of natural gas, more and more obnoxious, distracting gadgets, violent and vulgar entertainments, and ostentatious luxury items. If Bush or anyone else ever messes with that right, which is enumerated nowhere in the Constitution but implied everywhere in it, then he is in for a spanking.

Bush never intentionally crosses that right, nor will he; but he will always remind the zombies that the opposition forces of ecoterrorism, labor union terrorism, civil liberties terrorism, and international law terrorism, united together under the collectivist banner of the Democrats, do intend to interfere with their untrammeled right to consume and shit out everything in the planet. He can therefore count on their support and zombified solidarity.

[glitch]

30. Zombies DON'T NEED civil liberties

not to be glib, but that's a perfect bumpersticker.

[VP505]

44. "America is a land of obedient zombies" is

a great line that really fits. I was at one of the national chain electronics stores the other day waiting at the register, observing each person ahead of me being asked by the cashier for a phone number and without a blink they each offered it without question. It's no wonder "that our fellow zombie "citizens" have the slightest inclination to halt the erosion of their own civil liberties."

[BiggJawn]

103. Is "Zombies" less offensive than "Sheeple"?

I get my ass chewed all the time for calling our dull countrymen "Murkan Sheeple", as in
"How are we going to get these people to vote Democrat if you keep calling them 'Sheeple'?"
Uh, like maybe I don't WANT somebody that stupid in my party?

"Obedient Zombies"... I like that! But what do they eat? Obviously not brains...

I always give the zip code and/or phone number for a place I worked at 20 years ago. Bet that really sours their database...

[TheBaldyMan]

55. but the Nazis had a series of successful wars to boost them

not to mention economic improvement, in fact right up until 1943 the Germans and Japanese were pretty much with the program. By that time it was too late. Perhaps Bushco's criminal incompetence is the one thing that will prevent America going the same way. Even Freepers are waking up to what life in Fortress America is like.

[AuntiBush]

77. Hear, hear!!!!!!!!!!

I'm with you.

Wanna know where the OUTRAGE is?

Stuck on some beltway on their long-drive home.
Pirking-up their kids, or dropping them off after a long day at work & on that road and/or highway.
Too tired to even give-a-damn OR shopping.

:banghead:

[CrackpotAmerica]

4. It's Blatant Abuse of Power

The beginning of the end always steps up the attacks...

[Loonman]

5. Harassment of critics of the government...sounds fascist to me

Pretty much.

[CrackpotAmerica]

9. IS Fascist to Me... It is what it is. NT

[stop the bleeding]

6. I think that it is Ironic that the administration is trying clamp this

book down and by doing this it gives his book/message more exposure.

Either way what a bunch of ruthless MORANS.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

15. Couldn't some philanthropic types purchase hundreds or

thousands of this particular book, and hand them out at airports with a flyer explaining that the author will not be joining them on the flight for certain fascist reasons???

[stop the bleeding]

18. You read my mind, no pun intended. I am sure there is someone...

Spuros maybe, any "librul" recent lottery winners out there?

Any "librul" corporations out there???

something along these lines would be great!

[bloom]

34. I like that idea

People could read it on their flights. :)

[HysteryDiagnosis]

35. Unless of course.... they have become a "person of *******" :)

[MostlyLurks]

7. Wow. Kicked and Recommended. This guy needs exposure. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Ooh... they're fucking with the wrong guy!

James Moore is a dedicated and tenacious investigative reporter. This'll just make him madder!:thumbsup:

[Canuckistanian]

10. What a Kafkaesque world

Accused of a crime, but never arrested.

An unseen prosecutor.

No way to defend yourself, let alone face your accuser.

And live in fear of the next move.

[kenny blankenship]

21. Why doesn't he just confess?

...to whatever it is that he is suspected of?
See, it must be truly terrible since he refuses to come clean and has to go around under a terrible cloud of suspicion. He can't travel normally by airlines--that right there is a career killer. It could show up on your credit report too.

Nobody who wasn't guilty of something really awful would choose to endure this constant scrutiny and the weight of suspicion. He must be guilty of something, his own guilty behavior proves it! Of course, if he made a confession voluntarily and received mercy in the courts for showing true remorse, he'd still have to be watched afterwards. Maybe more than ever, since his past crime has been confirmed by his own admission.

[panzerfaust]

76. Why not confess?

Sadly - in the New Police State of Amerika – there is no one that he can confess too.

As I have said before, if you want to know what is going to happen in this country you only have to read the history of the rise of the fascist dictatorships in the democracies of Europe in the last century. A bit late now, as it has happened.

Still, the two great classics are “Mein Kampf” (My Struggle) by one A. Hitler, and the not to be missed Ben Mussolini’s best seller “The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism.”

Two fine, completely different and recent works are “The Coming of the Third Reich” by Evans, and “They Thought They Were Free” by Mayer.

Also suggested is “How Democracies Perish”, by one of them whiney freedum-hatin’-frogs Jean-Francois Revel. Unlike the other books this is dated in some respects, but the fundamental message is still sound.

Likely it is too late to be able to do anything about our new form of government: except to understand it. These books will help with that understanding, and point the way to how much worse it is going to get.

Sadly, had Americans paid more attention to history, the America of democracy would not now be history.

Long Live the Holy American Empire: remaking the world by the Will of God in the Image of His Power!

God Bless.

Panzerfaust


A previous Man of The Year

[longship]

96. Our chief weapons are fear, surprise, a ruthless efficiency...

nt

[Canuckistanian]

102. Poke him!

With the soft, comfy cushions.

[longship]

107. Confess! CONFESS!

...

It's not doing much good, sir.

Have you got all the stuffing propped up at one end?

Yes, Sir.

He must be made of tougher stuff.
Bring me.... the COMFY CHAIR!!!

[johnnybaseball]

58. Please Ma'am ....

.... No meat touching!

(I hope SOMEONE gets this!)

[BuelahWitch]

11. "...there is something in your background

that in some way is similar to someone they are looking for..." :scared: That's what he was told when he called the 800 number the airline gave him.

[hunter]

19. There is something in my background...

...that in some way is similar to someone they are looking for...

There, am I on the no fly list now?

Maybe if we all get on the no-fly list we can kill off the airlines and not have to worry so much about flu pandemics or terrorists anymore.

(Red flags go up at the NSA, I'm feeling deeply subversive this morning...)

:evilgrin:

[awoke_in_2003]

98. You are a registered DUer

You (and I) are probably on the list already.

[Carni]

27. Yeah his ass is something Rove wants

That book was most unflattering to KKKarl and it showed who's REALLY calling the shots--isn't it strange that the guy that goes after *bushit's brain* gets slapped on the no fly list?

[emald]

46. that right there is one scarry line

and I mean double scarry. Holy shit, look where we are. I gotta feeling that my old age aint gonna be pretty.

[MadHound]

12. No Fly List now equals Bushco's enemies list.

Fascism is coming further and further out into the open, and hopefully people will wake up to that soon.

How many of us here are already on the list for our various political activities? How soon before we're all on it? I'm planning to fly down to the Carribean for vacation next Christmas, and am a bit worried that I'll be stopped and detained, since they already have multiple shots of me at various anti-war rallies and protests.

Welcome to America, papers please:scared:

[Zan_of_Texas]

64. Senator Ted Kennedy and Cong. John Lewis were also detained.

Both were repeatedly delayed and prevented from boarding planes, due to "security precautions."

Our clever security forces at work, protecting us.

(On the other hand, I CAN think of some members of congress who just MAY be needing some striped suits and cuffs in the future. And, I don't mean Armani.)

[sui generis]

13. okay folks enough hand wringing

I don't know very much about the no fly list.

What is it going to take for us to figure out how to confront it as activists? It is clearly a tool that is easily abused, and can still be useful but MUST have transparency and an open audit trail.

Let's brainstorm.

[babylonsister]

16. I have an idea; let's get rid of the scum enacting these

ridiculous laws!:think:

[sui generis]

17. Is it part of the Patridiot Act?

Is it just a charter of the TSA itself?

I really believe that individuals don't really have any sway, but a grassroots campaign to expose the no-fly list inconsistencies would embarrass the TSA into establishing some form of accountability.

Here's a test: let's see if an ordinary citizen can get someone PUT on the no-fly list through disinformation. If so, and if that was exposed, the TSA would be forced to deal with it. I'll bet you it can be done. I'll bet it's been done, a lot.

[babylonsister]

25. Your idea has merit, but how to go about doing that?

I don't know who's authorized to put someone on a 'no fly' list, or what their criteria might be. Perhaps Ted Kennedy, who's supposedly been on one, could enlighten us.

[Carni]

28. I believe Ted Kennedy was also on it a few months ago

I don't know what the answer is with regards to activism.

[pitohui]

37. everyone named Edward Kennedy was on it, correct

so ted kennedy was also placed on the list, it had naught to do w. his activities in the senate

once someone w. a common name gets on the list, thousands of other people are also on the list

i guess the parents who name their child toyota corolla are having the last laugh, since it isn't worth your life any more to have a common name

[Starlight]

111. I don't for a second believe Ted Kennedy was on the list accidently.

He was put on as an enemy of the Bush administration. No doubt about it.

[MADem]

54. Ted Kennedy's middle name is MOORE

Edward Moore Kennedy, I shit you not. http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=K000105

[pitohui]

70. you learn something new every day! EOm

.

[MADem]

92. When they start stopping 007 Roger, and Ten Commandments Judge Roy.

...then we will know how truly fucked up this nation is! It used to be you could not say "Hi, Jack!" to your pal Jack in the airport...nowadays, you say "Less is more (moore)" or "I'd like a little more (moore) of that..." and you are in custody for hours!

[Marnieworld]

38. But which someone to put on the list?

I vote a pro-bush RW pundit. Not a big name but someone who would be outraged and indignant. The old when they came for the liberals I didn't say anything but when they came for me there was no one left sort of thing.

There should be an appeals process at least a way for people to fight it. I was thinking that a group of liberals that are on the list should get together and turn themselves in simultaneously, very publically so they won't get "disappeared" of course, to challenge the TSA and the fascists to prove their case against them or renew their rights at once. There needs to be a way to somehow organize. It would be nice for a whistleblower from TSA or a foreign equivalent to give up the list and then we'd see how many quakers and vegans are on it.

These assholes never cease to amaze me.

[mark11727]

75. Let me take a turn here...

Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, MIKE SAVAGE (that'd be something to see!)...

...and you imagine a bunch'a RW's gone nuts over NOT BEING ABLE TO FLY?

Just sayin'.

[Marnieworld]

101. I vote all of them

The whole fox "news" team. That would be so great. I guess if somehow a democrat takes the White HOuse then it will happen and then we can shrug and just say everybody does it so it doesn't matter just like their response to Bush's extraconstitutional activities.

[shance]

43. I agree. Why is Moore not more outraged? Why can't he sue?

ANYONE CAN SUE.

This is a clear political, obvious McCarthyist tool and we are paying for it with our tax dollars.

I am glad Mr. Moore wrote about it. This should outrage every single American.

[pitohui]

69. anyone cannot sue

i don't know of anyone who has even been able to get an attorney to take such a case

you can't sue the federal gov't unless it consents to be sued

why would it consent when it can just say 9-11?

[shance]

83. In a literal sense you're correct. However the timidity, caution

and hand wringing of what we can't do is both unproductive and inaccurate.

With regards to suing the government. You are correct that we cannnot sue the government in it's entity. However, we can and should file suit(s) against those within the respective governmental positions who are abusing their positions of power by enacting whatever legislation or beaurocratic policies which are unacceptable.

[Boojatta]

51. What is it going to take for us to confront it as activists?

Contact people before they publish books critical of Bush. Each author should choose a pen name that happens to be the name of some religious leader who regularly travels by airplane and who has a dedicated following. Just a few hundred dedicated followers might be enough. There should be no picture, but there should be some true biographical details provided that happen to match the details for the religious leader.

The idea is to create conditions so that inappropriate government action will create a conflict with religion.

[For PaisAn]

97. Great!

I like that idea

[MostlyLurks]

14. Valid Huff Post Link

The link in the Kos diary is somehow wrong, generating a "Page Not Found".

Lest someone think this a fabricated or retracted story, here's a good link (assuming I do this correctly - always a dodgy assumption to make):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/branded_b_13272.html

The article is dated Jan 4, 2006.

Mostly

[Stephanie]

24. thanks, that's what I was looking for

:hi:

[kenny blankenship]

20. "well he must have been doing something wrong"

The government knows what, but doesn't have enough on him to prosecute a formal charge. They are watching him and he better not blow his nose wrong or spit on a sidewalk!
The government knows he's a terrible risk. They know things we can't see.
The government knows, because the government has looked into his soul.
This is for OUR protection and if you had children maybe you'd appreciate how they're working to keep us ALL safe.
Oh they'd love to tell us what they know about him so we'd understand how dangerous he is; but until he does something overt, telling what they know would "violate his rights", so they can't. Thanks a LOT, American Commie Liberties Union!

Don't say he is not free. He can still fly. He just has to prove that he's not going to commit a terrorist act on every and any occasion, by submitting to cavity searches. He has shown by his vitriolic and irrational hatred of our leader that he cannot be trusted like a real American. Wherever he goes and whatever he does, he has to be watched closely.

[applegrove]

22. If Homeland Security does not accept that Rove is a nepharious

character... then GOD HELP US ALL!

[savemefromdumbya]

23. Perhaps we should ground Airforce One so W doesn't get away

see how he feels

[woodsprite]

32. I was watching CSpan last night -

not sure which show as I'm not a regular Cspanner, but I think it was a repeat of Washington Journal. They were discussing the Abramoff scandal, lobbyists and the DOI. I didn't hear one person who called, either repub or dem, who supported what was done. Most were livid. Several wanted to outlaw lobbying altogether.

Slowly the tide is turning. I still think we're far from where it needs to be though.

[bloom]

33. Rove's enemy list

How McCarthy-like.

[pitohui]

36. he has a common name

sometimes you do come off again as i know someone with a name prob. even more common than james moore who is no longer flagged

not sure what he can do from his end to get off the list however

doubt it has anything to do w. his work, altho i suppose it might if rove was really feeling bitter that day

everyone w. a common name runs into secondary and extra screening sooner or later

[mainer]

48. No kidding! I have a friend named Jim Moore

I'm going to ask him how the flying's been lately.

[trogdor]

65. A four year old child got on the no-fly list.

Took several hours of listening to the kid cry to fix that. He understood just enough of what was going on to make him really upset. I think that was on the Huffington Post.

[pitohui]

71. kid's name was edward allen

imagine they were screening for all edward, ed, and ted allens at iah that day

[SammyBlue]

39. And Freepers wonder why I ask them, when the support Bush.

Why they hate America! Bush hates Americans, America, the Constitution, the Freedoms we have and everything about this country, sans hands off capitalistic fascism (for your Ragina Freeper Assholes (RFAs), Captialism is an economic theory, fascism is a political theory and you can have both. . .look at China) in order to make a buck.

Jesus Christ, I hate these people.

[merci_me]

41. Terrorists-----film at 11:00pm

If I were James Moore, I'd start contacting other authors/filmmakers who may be on the list, assuming they can make and receive calls/e-mails without interception.

Then I'd suggest we all meet up in a city with great media and all get tickets to somewhere else for the same time, necessitating our early arrival at the airport. Then we all show up at the airport, with media and our books/scripts in tow.

[Tsiyu]

42. Make friends with private pilots

I'm series!!!!!!

If I need to get out of this country in a hurry, I won't be flying commercial ;)

[Cha]

45. There are many people

who have written books critical of a chimpanzee as front man for our government..when will they join James Moore?

George Packer author of "The Assassin's Gate" was on Jon's last night and that book sounded really good!(Stewart said he liked it better than woodward's). Packer said he didn't have "top access" but a lot of mid-level officials were fed up and willing to talk about the lead up to the War On Iraq.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0374299633.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Peanutcat]

47. I HATE being right!

On another massage board I frequent, I and some others were called "paranoid" because we wondered how far the Bush administration would go to take away our rights, and now look. It's not paranoia if this stuff is really happening.

[Skidmore]

52. Massage board!!! They have massage boards!!!

[ima_sinnic]

73. welcome to DU! and it's NOT paranoia!

stick around--this is a great resource! ignore rude posters who make irrelevant snide comments, the posters here are USUALLY friendly!

so "the masses" think we're "paranoid" about this stuff?!
it will start hitting closer and closer to home--count on it--but will they "get it" in time?

people who are on the "no fly list" should find a way to organize and bring attention to the outrage that it is. yes, ferchrissake, get it into a court.

[Emillereid]

49. I seem to be on the yellow list too! I get denied by the machine every

time I try to use my credit card to get a boarding pass. I have to go through one of the clerks who then has to call a supervisor to check me over and override the system. When I ask why I am getting the special treatment they tell me it's for 'security' and to 'make sure I don't have a bomb!' Oddly enough the last time I flew the clerk was able to issue a boarding pass right away -- but that's because the ticket had been bought by someone else.

Now, I am a middle aged woman who lives in the suburbs and spends most of my time doing medical research -- occasionally posting on forums like this or sending political emails -- and am somewhat involved with my local democratic club and the like. But I was active in the 60s in SDS and if "they could see my thought-dreams" they'd definitely put my head in a guillotine! Can they see into my head yet?

[Boojatta]

53. Is it legal for people to talk that way in an airport?

"When I ask why I am getting the special treatment they tell me it's for 'security' and to 'make sure I don't have a bomb!' "

--> Is it legal for people to talk that way in an airport? For example, is it legal for people to say "I hope you made sure that no one has a bomb. It would be bad if there were a bomb. Did you check carefully? We want to make sure that there aren't any bombs around here."

[Emillereid]

56. I guess the airport personnel can talk about what they want -- especially

when they want to intimidate someone like me.

[TheBaldyMan]

57. Is Osama on the list? n/t

[Julius Civitatus]

59. WHAT THE HELL IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR PEOPLE TO WAKE UP!!!!

Seriously!!!

Since they got to power, the Bush administration have done nothing but fight the Constitution and everything that's good in America.

Illegal wars,
Lying to the American people,
Falsification of documents to start a war,
Persecution of political enemies,
Paying off journalists, and propping up fake journos,
Illegal snooping on American citizens,
and now, putting political enemies in "NO FLY LISTS" reserved only for people with alleged "terrorist links."

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY ANYMORE!!!

WE HAVEN'T BEEN A DEMOCRACY FOR YEARS NOW!

And there is no Santa Claus either! People of America, wake the fuck up already!! Stop worrying about Brad and Angelina and focus on your RIGHTS, god dammit!!!

:rant:

[Clara T]

60. How to awaken the walking dead?

They Thought They Were Free
          by  Milton  Mayer


"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop.  Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing.  One day it is over his head.

<snip>

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move.  Believe me, this is true.  Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse.  You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.  You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble."  Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it.  And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows.  Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy.  One hears no protest, and certainly sees none.  You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this.  In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say?  They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

"And you are an alarmist.  You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can't prove it.  These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don't know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end?  On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic.  You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

[Julius Civitatus]

62. Seriously, it's depressing!

People seem more concerned about Brad and Angelina, or Tom and Katie, than concerned the ominous revelations that the Bush administration has been performing a great impersonation of Pinochet's regime for several years now.

People don't seem to care, really. It's only a handful of people like us that actually give a crap.

[xchrom]

61. k & r

[DefenseLawyer]

63. My name is on the list

So I get hassled at the airport- unless I remember to add my middle initial when I book my flight, then I don't get a second glance. I am used to the routine so I usually tell them as soon as I get up to the counter. Generally the ticket agent picks up the special phone and starts talking in very official sounding DHS jargon "Tango Foxtrot One Niner Four Zulu!" etc. and then they tell me to have a nice day.

[mainer]

66. Just checked in with my friend, another "Jim Moore"

He said he hasn't flown lately, but he'll be on the alert for anything "unusual" when he does. Oh, and he says he's honored to share the name of Jim Moore with the "Bush's Brain" author!

[TheMadMonk]

67. My activist suggestion would be

...to arrange for several innocent individuals on the "No Fly List" to be on the same flight. A small well crafted group of the unlikeliest of likely suspects would play very well on a special news bulliten if you arrange to have cameras there when the shit goes down as it almost certainly will.

[Tin Man]

68. Lemme guess, they added Moore to the No-Fly list after they wiretapped him

...probably caught him saying a couple trigger words, like "You shoulda seen this one guy on the plane, he got so bombed during the flight he could hardly de-board at the terminal".

Oh joy - let's put this azzhole on the No-Fly! That'll teach 'em!

[oasis]

72. The NSA has a video of James Moore attending a Quaker meeting.

:sarcasm:

[madmark]

74. that's fucked up

[AuntiBush]

78. Big KUDOS to James Moore!

After reading those articles, especially Moore's Huffington Post piece I commend him for his courage and calmness amid this sick storm.

Wake-up, Americans... please, wake the hell up!

[pinniped]

79. He's in good company with this 4-year old kid.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/01/05/national/a111845S48.DTL

4-Year-Old Boy on Government 'No-Fly' List

By KRISTIE RIEKEN, Associated Press Writer

Thursday, January 5, 2006


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(01-05) 11:18 PST HOUSTON, (AP) --

Edward Allen's reaction to being on the government's "no-fly" list should have been the tip-off that he is no terrorist.

"I don't want to be on the list. I want to fly and see my grandma," the 4-year-old boy said, according to his mother.

Sijollie Allen and her son had trouble boarding planes last month because someone with the same name as Edward is on a government terrorist watch list.

"Is this a joke?" Allen recalled telling Continental Airlines agents Dec. 21 at Houston's Bush Intercontinental Airport. "You can tell he's not a terrorist."
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more:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/01/05/national/a111845S48.DTL

* and the rest of the cabal need to be on the no-fly list.

[struggle4progress]

80. No-fly blacklist snares political activists

Alan Gathright, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, September 27, 2002

A federal "No Fly" list, intended to keep terrorists from boarding planes, is snaring peace activists at San Francisco International and other U. S. airports, triggering complaints that civil liberties are being trampled.

And while several federal agencies acknowledge that they contribute names to the congressionally mandated list, none of them, when contacted by The Chronicle, could or would say which agency is responsible for managing the list.

One detainment forced a group of 20 Wisconsin anti-war activists to miss their flight, delaying their trip to meet with congressional representatives by a day. That case and others are raising questions about the criteria federal authorities use to place people on the list -- and whether people who exercise their constitutional right to dissent are being lumped together with terrorists. <snip>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/09/27/MN181034.DTL


No-Fly List Hits Turbulence
WASHINGTON, April 6, 2004

(CBS/AP) A retired minister, a college student and a member of the military are among those involved in the American Civil Liberties Union's challenge to the list of travelers that the government has barred from flying because they're considered a threat. <snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/19/terror/main637045.shtml


Former Cat Stevens wants name taken off 'no-fly' list
October 3, 2004

LONDON -- Lawyers for the singer once known as Cat Stevens said Friday that they have asked American officials to remove his name from a ''no-fly'' list.

The musician, now a peace activist named Yusuf Islam, was expelled from the United States last week after authorities diverted his London-to-Washington flight to Maine to remove him, saying he was suspected of ties to terrorism. <snip>

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-cat03.html

[PegDAC]

81. MEDIA ALERT!!

Attention. DUers! Sam Seder is going to interview James moore tonight on Air America's "Majority Report"!!!!!

[StraightDope]

82. First they came for the Jews...

'Nuff said.

SD

[donheld]

84. Ann Coulter can't fly either

Someone stole her broom.

[lostnfound]

94. Rush can't fly either

His prescriptions ran out?

[derby378]

85. We don't just want impeachment, we want TRIALS

Someone needs to go down for treason.

[1620rock]

86. I have worked for the Federal Government...

...for 37 years with US Customs and Border Protection under the Department of Homeland Security.....Be afraid now....Be very afraid!! :scared:

[derby378]

89. Welcome to DU!

Any horror stories you feel comfortable sharing with us?

[Shallah Kali]

87. This is worse than the 4 year olds and toddlers on the no-fly list

someone with the same name is on the list so airlines are refusing to let babies on planes. here is one article

4-year-old turns up on government ‘no-fly’ list
Confusion over boy's name trips up family’s journey home for the holidays
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10725741/

[Generator]

88. I'm speechless, not surprised, but horrified

Because "your papers" are what you need to get the hell out of a country when it descends into a witch hunt of it's political enemies-and this guy is clearly considered an enemy of Bushco. So for now he can fly but what if they decide to turn it into a "detain and check them out list." Police State indeed.

[bonito]

90. No fly list = dissenting people

Come martial law, all those on the no fly list and secondary list are to be considered an enemy of the state, but what will happen is a civil war. edit for further comment. We need to take up the cause now, listen to our elected officials who are standing up, and speaking out, now! and get not only behind them, but be beside them, speak out and openly protest as they are doing now.

[LittleClarkie]

91. Remember when they did this to Ted Kennedy too

Freepers and other Bushbots act as if we are trying to protect terrorists by asking about wiretaps. But Bush is Nixon pt 2 on steroids. He's not just wiretapping terrorists. And yet the Repubs pretend all is well and that if we object we are protecting the enemy.

Just wait until, like Safire, they are on the list too.

[fearnobush]

93. I bet Karl walks because of this Nazi activity.

Bush & Rove - The real TERRORISTS!

<>
George and Laura Bush with Sami Amin Al-Arian, who is
charged with 50 counts of terrorism. Al-Arian even
went to a White House briefing with Karl Rove.
<http://www.sullivan-county.com/bush/al-arian3.htm>

[madrchsod]

95. baath party=republican party

[Bernardo de La Paz]

99. Any low level Republican Zealot functionary can put you on the No Fly list

[Ganja Ninja]

100. It's being used as a form of non-judical punishment.

Shouldn't this be unconstitutional? The man is being sanctioned by the government without a trial or even charges being made. Seems like a violation of his basic civil rights.

[DefenseLawyer]

104. It is a stupid hassle, but

they don't actually keep him from flying. It just means there is an extra step of having your identification verified at the counter before you get your boarding pass. It is quite a pain, I know because my name is also on the list, but no court is going to find that it violates the Constitution.

[thefool_wa]

105. Honor Roll

<snip>
Of course, there's always the chance that the No Fly Watch List is one of many enemies lists maintained by the Bush White House. If that's the case, I am happy to be on that list. I am in good company with people who expect more out of their president and their government.

Hell, maybe I'll start thinking of it as an honor roll.
<end>

So, can we hope that this "honor roll" will go away if we get the republicans out of the white house?

[libertarianseeker]

106. Like the woman who refused to show ID

on her daily busride for the umpteenth time said. They just want to humble us and show who's in charge to weaken our will to resist. (Not a quote, I'm lazy and weakened...)

[Octafish]

108. WHY IS BUSH AFRAID OF AN AUTHOR?

BECAUSE THE AUTHOR OF "BUSH'S BRAIN" HAS AN IDEA.

HE KNOWS BUSH'S BRAIN IS BROKEN, SHIT-FILLED AND EVIL.

AND HE'S PREVENTED FROM TELLING HIS FELLOW CITIZENS ABOUT IT, LET ALONE "WHY."

[PatGund]

109. I wonder what my next flight is going to be like....

Flying home for a four week leave in March. Let's see.......

Flying from the Middle East, where I work (Doha, Qatar)
Registered Democrat
Flying to (gasp!) California.

I am looking forward to being back in the states. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to the security.

I suspect the laptop I'll bring on board will be my personal Apple Powerbook, and not my company-issued HP laptop. The HP, you see, has an English/Arabic keyboard, and no sense in making people even more paranoid.

[Starlight]

110. My daughter is on that same list.

She did volunteer work for the same organization as a woman who was a member of an underground organization in the 70s. My daughter had never met this woman, yet she & everyone else who worked there were put on the no fly list. Now every time she flies she gets harrassed and finds notes in her checked bags stating that they were searched. :tinfoilhat: