"Israeli firm endorses Dubai ports deal for United States"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Pardon me but who the FUCK cares what a private Israeli firm endorses?

When they endorse Dubai company handling ISRAELI PORTS we can talk.

[Justitia]

1. LOL - Amen to your second line! LOL -eom

[blm]

2. Let's see how Dubai company handles Israeli ports for 5yrs before they

get handle the high traffic US ports.

[IsItJustMe]

3. I like what schumer said. Don't care what ZIM says. Let the UAE take

over Isreal ports. Easy to sell someone else out now, isn't it?

You go chuck.

[Pirate Smile]

4. I know. CNN keeps pushing it. I don't get it. Who cares what

an Israeli firm thinks? Why would that impact our view? :eyes:

[Spazito]

7. Wolfie is having multiple orgasms over this...

but, given he is a former journalist from the Jerusalem Post and a bush shill, that should be no surprise.

Notice it is a CNN EXCLUSIVE which means the White House told the Isreali shipping company to send the letter directly to Wolfie. I am SHOCKED, no, really, SHOCKED!

:rofl:

[aquart]

5. Exactly. No nation or corporation has a say in this. Just us. US.

[nonconformist]

6. I'm with you, who fucking cares.

I'm also curious as to why they'd even chime in. Does it mean that this Dubai ports deal will be good for Israel? :tinfoilhat:

[w8liftinglady]

8. google ZIM Israel Shaul Eisenberg Abramoff Mossad

there are tons of conspiracy theories out there..is there a connection?

[TreasonousBastard]

9. I care, because after 15 years of insuring ports,...

terminals, cargoes and ships, I have some concept of terminal operations and port security. Probably a hell of a lot more than most people yapping about this. The biggest problem I always had with terminal operators was that they were cheap bastards who didn't really want to do the job right. Now one of the few companies that actually can do the job right is under fire and every one of our ports and airports is in jeopardy from the call to throw out the furriners.

Truth is, there few, if any, American companies both willing and capable of terminal management-- even some of our airlines are contracting it out. Halliburton could do it, but they didn't bid. Wanna make them do it?

This just reinforces that just about everyone who actually deals with ports thinks this is a good deal. And, btw, I was dealing with Arab blacklist letters 20 years ago. They are universally seen as a joke.

But, OK, everyone can just go on about your business pissing and moaning about the deal. Seems it's another one entering the political mythology where everyone hates the deal, but no one really knows why. Or much about it.

[Hoping4Change]

12. Given that much of corporate Amerika management is incompetent and

and corrupt, I won't dispute your argument that this company might be willing to do the job right and not cut corners. However bush has zero credibility so everything about the deal smells.

[TreasonousBastard]

17. Shrub is right about this one...

but for the same reason a broken clock is right twice a day.

Years of lies, more lies, and bullshit from these clown has stripped any cedibility from them. I think the port deal is a good one, but the one reason I DON'T have for liking the deal is that Shrub is behind it. Strangely enough, his being behind it might be the thing to kill it. Even his own party sees this as a way to sandbag him.

Agreeing with him on this one makes me wonder about my own judgment, but I know enough about port management to still think he's right for all the wrong reasons.

[Hoping4Change]

23. The deal also inludes managing the Port of Vancouver but

it hasn't caused a stir up here.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060224.PORTS24/TPStory/National

[Wordie]

14. Aaahhh...a voice of dispassionate reason.

Thanks so much for that, Treasonous Bastard!

Isn't part of the solution to this issue a general improvement in port security for ALL ports? That's what I understand many of the experts are saying. What's your take on that?

[TreasonousBastard]

16. A lot of things have been done...

over the past few years, but the agencies responsible for security haven't been keeping up with the job

Tons of illegal drugs get through. And don't forget those fake Levis and Rolexes.

Tons of unwholesome food gets through.

Illegals still manage to get here.

And so it goes...

So, the people who didn't notice a tunnel under the Mexican border for years are going to protect us from an attack that may or may not happen somewhere?

And a Dubai company running a dozen or so terminals out of hundreds is going to bring the country down?

My answer has always been that security is simply a part of just doing things right. I was involved with Exxon years ago when it decided to stop being the biggest and best at what it does and just be the most profitable. Internal inspections and safety and operational rules were among the first to go out the window. One domestic terminal operator I dealt with, and refused to cover them, was eventually jailed for operating illegally. After 20 years or so of rotted docks, illegally dumping oil sludge in the water, missing firehoses, an enormous accident rate, and other things. It took years for someone to notice and more years to shut them down.

A gasoline barge fleet I was involved with was similarly finding ways around Coast Guard safety rules and their ancient barges regularly exploded-- one of them under the Brooklyn Bridge. Fortunately (for me) that was long after I cancelled them.

While there's this kneejerk reaction to "terraism" we keep forgetting what's really important and dangerous. Our food safety and environmental standards are being rapidly destroyed. Basic fire safety is being ignored. Police and others are wasting resources on imaginary terrorists while investigating criminal organizations and serial killers are kept on hold. (Of course, many local cops are using their new terrorist money to step up traffic enforcement-- another great example of the Law of Unintended Consequences)

One Coast Guard talking head was right on when he said worldwide shipping has been on a fast track toward efficiency and has become incredibly efficient with few things in the way of it. Efficiency, in this case, means stripping away any cost that doesn't immediately put money on the bottom line. And that's the problem we have now-- whether it's drugs, rotten Indian shrimp, illegal Chinese in a container, or a bomb, we're just not set up to find all of these things and the rest of what we may not like coming in here.

[Wordie]

18. Have you ever considered...

posting that, and any other information you might find relevant to us DUers, who tend not to know a lot about the actual operations of the ports, as it's own thread? It would be tremendously helpful, imho.

:Warning: understatement coming up here: >>> Of course, you might not get much of a welcoming response from some who just don't want to even discuss any other possibility but that the deal is the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. So, I guess I understand if you might not want to start a thread on it.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. Thought about it, and...

I might just do it.

Problem is that my online time is limited now, and I've been out of the business for a while so I've got a fair amount of stuff to catch up on. I like to think my opinion counts, but it all has to be backed up.

Last time I started a project like that, everyone moved on to something else by the time I was ready.

[Sensitivity]

22. Informative comments here. I know some about Global SCM and got

re-interested in the blogs when this issue became a hot topic.

[roguevalley]

10. people need to trace the money backwards and find the truth, no

matter which side of the bed it lands upon.

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[High Plains]

13. Well, sure, then who cares what AIPAC thinks?

Zim obviously spoke out in response to noise from Israel and AIPAC that the UAE was part of the Arab boycott of Israel.

But that was so yesterday, right? Nevermind context, let's just bash.

[president4aday]

15. Israeli ports, American ports. Is there really a difference anymore?

[leesa]

20. It IS rather curious since UAE doesn't recognise Israel though...must be

a tough trade deal.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Nothing that curious about it...

back in the '70s during the oil boycott when ARAMCO was turned over to the Arabs, Petroman contracts were flying out the back door so fast you couldn't keep up with them. Crude production and sales were almost as high during the "boycott" as before. The price went up because the deals the majors had to screw that Arabs went out the window and things took a little while to stabilize.

On paper, a number of Arab countries, I'm not sure how many, have pledged to boycott Israel and any companies or countries dealing with Israel. Load o' crap that is. We would occasionally get boycott letters from Arab firms demanding that if we dealt with Israeli companies we immediately stop or they wouldn't deal with us. The letters went into the trash and we rarely heard anything after that. All for show that was.

Money talks, politics and bullshit walk.

[Sensitivity]

21. This is a very well known shipping line from the Mediteranean to the

Caribbean, with a storied history from flight of Jew from Europe after the War.