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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:12 PM
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this is what civil war looks like-or is it?


all may not be what it seems..who benefits from a civil war?

http://twentyfourstepstoliberty.blogspot.com/
24 Steps to Liberty

http://www.aviraqi.blogspot.com/
An Average Iraqi

http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/
Raed in the Middle

http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com

there is so many outrages that happen everyday here in the usa that we forget where the outrage really is--hundreds of thousands of iraqis and americans have died since the early 90`s by the bushes and clinton...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:14 PM
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1. exactly....
eom
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:14 PM
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2. not yet
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:15 PM
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3. Notice there are no US Troops
or anything that looks like security anywhere near the place?

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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:22 PM
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4. Iraqis mostly
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 09:23 PM by enigma000
Truth be told, I supported the Gulf War in 1991. You just couldn't have a nation-state, a member of the UN annexed - removed from existence - because a US diplomat said something or because once upon a time Kuwait was part of the Ottoman Empire etc..etc..

I knew those who wanted to let the sanctions work and opposed war. I imagine they continued to support sanctions through the 1990s.

We stopped after liberating Kuwait. I supported that - we couldn't go beyond the UN mandate (as a Canadian, I'm duty bound to support UN mandates)

Unfortunately that bastard Saddam just never died.

And here we are........... oh wait....who benefits? Not the Iraqis. Not the multi-national coalition (that's you America) al-Quada is my guess.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:50 PM
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5. My favorite articles concerning our foreign policy ...
are by Steve Kangas...the journalist who was found suicided in a bathroom of a Mellon/Scaife Office Building....I can not read them enough, as the tendency to fall back on false beliefs spoon-fed since infancy still exists...and with the new wave of private military contractors...well...things just couldn't be more murky...

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.


http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
http://www.primetimecrime.com/Recent/War%20on%20terror/Private%20Military%20Companies.htm
another good read...
The Origins of the Overclass
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:54 PM
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8. Those practices have been working here for 60 some odd years.
The New Deal= No Deal.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:55 PM
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9. Steve Kangas was most excellent
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:51 PM
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6. Bush benefits most from eternal war
Making tons of money while consolidating power
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:52 PM
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7. This is What Democracy Looks Like
Bush style democracy, anyway...;-)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:56 PM
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10. I don't understand. Are you saying this is not so bad, not civilwar making
I don't understand what you mean. Thank you for enlightening me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:40 PM
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11. i mean is this really a civil war
and that it is very bad for them and us. we could have prevented this by not disbanding the army , police force, and more importantly the baath party. we blew the shit out of every municipal service in iraq which through the country into chaos which as stated in the last sentence, led to the breakdown of a civilized society.
from what i have read from these people over the last year is that they to saw that this may happen and were hoping it wouldn`t . one person was asked upon arriving in the usa- what sect do you belong to? why does the usa homeland security want to know what religious sect he is?
so again i ask who would benefit from a civil war, it certainly isn`t the iraqi people and who is building the largest military/embassy in the center of Baghdad?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:21 PM
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12. Do you feel a draft coming here?
I don't know how Mr.bushandhisevilminions can profit from this. Sunni Shite civil war leads to splitting the region up into little kingdoms again (after lots of people are killed). Who do you think it benefits?
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