Is it possible that the story of the 12 live miners was purposely planted

[RagingInMiami]

just in time for the East Coast newspapers to run it on their front pages? Then discredited a few hours later when it was too late from them to turn back the presses? Only to discredit the media at a time when the shit is about to hit the fan for the republicans?

The NY Times has it on their front page. The NY Times also "betrayed" the Bush administration recently by printing the surveillence story after they had held it for a year.

And it took three hours for officials to correct the "mistake." And the initial news of the found survivors was reported at exactly midnight, a time when most newspapers are about to start their press run.

Three hours later, the news was corrected, after thousands of papers have been printed and are getting ready to be transported around the city. When the only people in the newsroom might be a cleaning crew.

If McClellan or Bush or any of those assholes says anything in the next few days about the media's lack of credibility in the incident, we will know our answer.

[tavalon]

1. Sure, it's possible

Anything's possible with this crew. That said, I think this is just the normal, rumor run amok, fuck up.

[Richard Steele]

11. Doubtful, considering so many eager news crews are RIGHT THERE.

"Normal rumor" would last about 30 seconds at the scene right now...
but this got reported nationwide, INSTANTLY, and took 3 hours to debunk.

The obvious explanation is: this "story" didn't come from anyone at the mine;
it came from somewhere else.

And the folks at the scene didn't
learn about the bogus story until HOURS afterward.

[HeeBGBz]

2. Oh, that is awful

That happy picture and then to know they were lied to and lost their loved ones again.

That is just mind-numbing.

Those poor families.

[LittleClarkie]

110. That's what kept me in hysterics last night

cried my eyes out.

[aquart]

3. Can we be a little less ......

FREaKING PARANOID?

[China_cat]

4. Being paranoid

doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Given all that's taken place over the last five years, how could anyone...

...not have a REAL healthy sense of skepticism?

The smartest thing Reagan ever said was "Trust, but verify".

[onenote]

41. there is "healthy skepticism" and there is the orignal post in this thread

The OP's suggestion is the biggest piece of crap I've seen on this board in while. Who "planted" the story? The Democratic governor? Some emergency worker? Do you have any idea what was going on there? We now have the leading contender for silliest post of the year and its only Jan 4.

onenote

[Marie26]

77. This doesn't make sense

At all. This would have to be a massive conspiracy of everyone from the rescue workers to the government officials. The Democratic governor is in on it, too? How could Bush first infiltrate the rescue workers/command center; then make sure everyone held off on revealing the truth for 3 hours? And all this work just to make the media look bad? They didn't really need to bother. The news media can shoot themselves in the foot just fine.

[RagingInMiami]

78. The initial report was overheard on a radio at the command center

All it takes is for someone with a CB radio to utter those words. All it takes is someone to have planted themselves as a family member of the workers to hype it up even more. The rest can take care of itself.

The feds have traditionally planted "protesters" during demonstrations to stir things up. That's a tactic that even the Miami police used down here during the FTAA meetings.

Yes, I am wearing a tinfoil hat now. And yes, I am a conspiracy theorist. I'm also a writer so my imagination can be vivid at times.

And I'm not saying that is exactly what I believe. But I do know if I was a reporter up there, I would try my best to track down exactly how that rumor started. I wouldn't just accept the official statement and move on. My instincts tell me something doesn't smell right with this story.

[liberalhistorian]

106. I agree, it's nuts.

It's just a horrible, horrible, tragic, unbearably sad mistake and I can see just how easily such a miscommunication could happen, that people thought the rescuers were saying twelve were alive and one dead when it was really one alive and twelve dead. In all the chaos and mayhem and excitement, etc., it's very easy to see how such a mistake could be made. For the kind of ridiculous, absurd theory you're proposing would simply be too difficult to pull off, even if anyone wanted to do so.

The thing that truly disturbs me is just how long it took them to correct that mistake, three whole hours. That's inexcusably long, especially when the mine official admits he knew within twenty minutes that the report was wrong, but waited THREE fucking hours to tell the families. My God, can you imagine what those poor people went through? That's almost worse than being told immediately that they're dead, since they went through the euphoria and joy and excitement of being told and believing that they were alive.

Heads should roll for this, lots and lots and lots of heads. Starting with many of the mine officials themselves who failed to correct the two HUNDRED violations that were recently found and continued to send men down in the mines knowing of the violations and what could happen.

[rman]

53. what reason is there to not be paranoid?

[rucky]

5. Over 3000 news outlets went with the story

they all went with the official line, which could've been put into serious dispute with a few phone calls and follow-up questions.

If what you say is true, then the press is a willing participant - seeing how reliable the "official line" has been lately (Katrina, too), they should know by now.

[RagingInMiami]

7. The other thing is that it was a very late breaking story

Every minute that goes beyond deadline is big money. It backs up the whole process. Publishers hate to miss deadline. Nobody yells "stop the presses" anymore, if they ever did.

And in a case like this, most reporters wouldn't think twice that the official line was wrong. I mean who's going to make up a lie that the 12 miners are alive when they are, in fact, dead?

But three hours went by. Three hours where somebody must have been with the bodies. Three hours when somebody must have realized that every news agency in the country was reporting that 12 survivors had been found. Three hours of joyous families praising God.

Three fucking hours.

[zbdent]

33. 3000 news outlets

one source . . .

Kinda like everything that Bush spouts . . .

[ET Awful]

6. My guess is that in this case it was just poor communication.

The first deceased minor was found closer to the entrance, they probably passed word up that they'd only found one dead man so far, so those outside spread the word from that and extrapolated the whole "12 found alive" thing from the fact that only one had been found dead at the time.

At least that's the way it seems to me.

[RagingInMiami]

8. But three hours went by

I can understand confusion during the initial discovery. It happens. But three hours?

[ET Awful]

9. Depends on how much more digging was necessary after the first

discovery.

Sorry, I just don't see a conspiracy here.

[theHandpuppet]

14. Thank you!

Truly, folks, this is not the time for off-the-wall conspiracy theories that make us all look nutters. Sometimes tragedy is just that. Just reaching the bodies was a painstakingly slow process. No one would gain by planting a false rescue story -- quite the reverse, in fact. Time for a reality check.

My heart goes out to the families.

[Orangepeel]

58. once the rescuers knew they weren't all alive

they were afraid to correct the misperception until they had recovered and checked every body.

The whole thing was a tragedy and a tragic miscommunication. There are plenty of heartless bastards in the world, but not everybody is a heartless bastard.

[Garbo 2004]

20. No because the announcement that one had been found dead

was long before (hours) the word spread that 12 miners had been found alive. Families told of body found: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2006/jan/03/010303076.html

On CNN they've been replaying a clip where 3 women who said they were family members insist that the CEO of the mining company was the one that announced in the church that 12 miners had been found alive. They said then hours passed and he came back to tell them that only one survived. Which contradicts the company's statement that they never confirmed the reports of survivors. :shrug:

[Carni]

34. I watched the interview with those same women

I have no idea what was up with the CEO--WTF was he thinking?

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. What I fear will happen

is that millions will chastise the NYT for that story — not understanding, of course, the time difference, that newspapers have deadlines, that no one could've seen this story taking such a dramatic, tragic turn.

The world doesn't care about labor pains. It wants to see the baby.



Okay, now I'm goin' to bed.

[NYCGirl]

57. The leading NY RIGHT WING PAPER also printed the story.

In a much bigger headline. So I guess the NY Post will get chastised, too.

[brmdp3123]

12. Oh, for crying out loud.

Everything is not a conspiracy.

[RagingInMiami]

13. Yes, we should just accept everything at face value

Welcome to DU.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. No, but you should exercise logic and reason...

...before jumping on the crazy train.

[hootinholler]

73. Um, arent' logic and reason supposed to keep you off

Of the Crazy-Train?

Kinda like give him a fair trial before we string him up.



-Hoot

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. No, not everything....but thanks to all that's happened over the last....

...five years can you really fault anyone for wanting to ask a lot of questions when something like this happens?

[Raine]

100. Agree

with you. Anymore NOTHING about the scum in charge would surprise me but accidents do happen but it's no wonder people doubt.

[Beware the Beast Man]

15. Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Just sayin'.

[Clark2008]

16. Planted by whom?

Rescuers don't necessarily have a political agenda - not in a case like this.

And the governor of the state is a Democrat.

I'm sorry. After covering emergency service personnel for 12 years (and knowing both the assholes and the heros), I don't believe what you're saying has any merit. Those rescuers probably were too busy trying to, you know, RESCUE people instead of making sure Rita Cosby got a scoop. Even me - a former reporter - can understand that.

Those poor, poor families.

[Bluzmann57]

17. No.

With all due respect, I think you may be crazy. It appears to be a tragedy and nothing more. Too bad some have to make it out to be some sort of deep dark conspiracy. To me, saying there was a conspiracy disrespects the survivors families even more than the false rumors.
edited to add the word "families". Now maybe it will make a bit more sense.

[RagingInMiami]

19. "disrespects the survivors"

Is that the same as "not supporting the troops"?

How am I disrespecting the survivors? Or the survivor, in this case?

[Bluzmann57]

21. I should have clarified

I meant to say the families of the survivors. And I stand by my statement. No conspiracy here.

[sandnsea]

18. No, but goddammit

We ought to rally around those mining families because this is such a blatant example of how poorly the media does its job.

Did you hear that one woman? "We may just be West Virginians. We may be stupid, but we still love our families." Bless her heart, she's going to kick some serious ass.

[Clark2008]

22. I don't even think this is a case of the media doing its job poorly.

I think this is simple miscommunication.

I think the rescuers thought there were 12 survivers, knee-jerked, passed that incorrect word along and then didn't bother to correct themselves for hours until they had the FACTS.

It's unfortunate, but I think it was simple scene miscommunication.

But, yes, we should rally around those mining families and behind Gov. Manchin (D-WV).

[sandnsea]

27. It's the MO lately

That's the problem. They run with whatever they're told. That's why we've got all the problems we've got. Fact Check doesn't even exist. I've been watching and not one reporter said they hadn't gotten confirmation from an authority, not one. They are just way too willing to just repeat whatever they're told by whoever with no caveats, nothing. It's like McLellan today. He says he's read reports that Democrats are involved with Abramoff, so it gets reported that the White House said that. What doesn't get reported is that he's repeating media reports put out by other Republicans. It's ridiculous. This is a time to hold them to account because it isn't about politics. It's about a complete lack of the most basic journalistic principle, two solid sources before you report. They didn't have that.

[Carni]

36. You're absolutely right

I agree with you 100% about your media comments--there is no fact checking anymore and it's creating huge HUGE problems.

[Marie26]

80. Exactly right. nt.

[ET Awful]

32. Agreed completely.

Not everything is a conspiracy designed to defraud the public.

[alarimer]

60. But they didn't even bother to check

Lazy journalism at best.

[RobinA]

97. I Really Think

that the media are irrelevant in this case. The people at the scene with loved ones in the mine didn't read about it in the paper, they heard the word. By the time those papers hit the stands, the people on the scene already knew the truth.

[high density]

23. CNN is showing the wrong papers with hidden glee, I'm sure

They's wondering how the misinformation originated. Since when did the media start caring about lies again?

[Clark2008]

25. That's a better question.

But I don't, in this instance, think it was the media's fault.

In fact, I don't think there was any fault other than plain and simple hope.

Sad.

[Carni]

37. I disagree

If the media couldn't get a formal confirmation from an authority in the know then they should have prefaced everything with "there is a rumor going around that there are survivors but we cannot confirm that"

JMO

[sandnsea]

47. It's supposed to be reporting, not rumor mongering

This is exactly what they did in New Orleans that caused all those people to be stranded for days. They got rumors of gun shots and reported it over and over, without fact checking any of it. Even when reports started coming out that the initial reports weren't true, they didn't bother with that. They kept spreading the rumors because they were more sensational. It's just unacceptable.

[Carni]

51. katrina was another *WTF?* In the middle of the night moment

All day after the storm hit it was *New Orleans dodged a bullet bla bla bla*
I went to bed thinking oh thank God the city was spared only to wake up early to hear the whole damned city was flooding!

It's as if there is no oversight on anything anymore--everything is just a frenzied free for all.

[Clark2008]

92. And you were a reporter when?

Look - there's a difference between truth and fact.

Truth is always truth. A fact is something that's substantiated by a reliable source. For example, a police report may say you're drunk and I can report that as a fact. BUT, during a court trial, it comes out that your blood alcohol level was only .06 and; therefore, the TRUTH is that you weren't.

Look, you'll find I often complain about the media, more for what they don't cover than how they cover it, but, in this case, they were justified. The governor even said he told reporters this information. And HE'S a reliable source. So were the families, who had access to accident scene officials.

I was an EMS reporter for 12 years. Luckily, I worked for newspapers and had time to wait on more solid proof, but I can completely understand why Anderson Cooper and Rita Cosby ran with what they knew given who told them the info.

[sandnsea]

112. Gosh, you're wrong

The Governor said repeatedly that he didn't have confirmation. He said he told reporters that he was hearing the information the same as they were and that he was going to the command center to get more information. Whether any information came to the families directly from the command center is being disputed, but families are not realiable sources no matter where they got their information from. Either the government or a mining official, those are valid sources. If the media didn't have them, they should have said so. I doubt they could have tempered the jubiliation of the families, I'm not holding them responsible for that. I'm holding them responsible for "12 Alive" headlines all over the country. I'm sick of the problems they cause in this country and this is just one more example. If all they're going to do is repeat whatever they're told, I'd just as soon they close up shop and I'll just sign up for press releases.

[XanaDUer]

26. I'm not a tinfoil hatter BUT

As I type this, Matt Laurer (sp?) is grilling the governor, as is a family member (who, to his credit) is now demanging unionization(!!!) and blaming lack of unions for his father's death...

Anyway, they keep showing the governor and putting (D) next to his name (Which he is, but still...). Why are they not grilling the mine's CEO?

What kind of Dem is this governor? Is he a 'conservative' Dem? The media is loving this, I am sure...


PS-I don't think the story was planted, but I can see the MSM using this to kick a Democratic governor, a la the gov. of Louisiana.

[sandnsea]

30. He's a 63% of the vote Dem

And that's important to remember. Whether he's pro-union or not, I don't know. Somebody posted a story on him put out by the DLC, but that doesn't mean he is DLC. But you bet they're going to jump at the chance to smear him. Also glad to see somebody mentioning unions, that would be great if those folks realized how important the unions still are.

[Critters2]

74. Is the guv DLC?

That would explain the lack of unions

[ngGale]

28. I've been watching live on MSM...

there were women talking about the news being deliberately held back. They were told the men were alive, then three hours later the story changed. Was quite a bit of anger from the local crowd. Does seem they did hold back the bad news, for one reason or another.:cry:

[XanaDUer]

29. Do you think to milk the story more?

n/t.

[sandnsea]

31. The company held it back

According to the locals, not the media. At least that's what I understand them to be saying.

[underpants]

42. I was watching in the middle of the night

See summary here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x47480

Does it strike you that the MSM is totallly covering for the the company now this morning?

[sandnsea]

46. Totally covering their own incompetence

That's what it looks like to me.

I can almost hear the disdain in some of their voices, that one woman had it right. They're treating them like dumb hillbillies who don't know what they were told and who told them.

[Clark2008]

102. You just piss me off.

First, you make judgments against a profession, which, admittedly, has been slack, but that you don't know nothing of.

THEN, you ring in the "dumb hillibillies" routine.

LOOK: The families believed what they were told. The media reported the scene, which included jubilation and ringing church bells. Fuck!

I have no use for you. You make judgments about shit in which you know fuck-all.

[sandnsea]

109. Hit ignore

That's what that little button is for. Since you know so fuck-all much, I figure you'd know at least that.

[bpilgrim]

35. well, the M$MWs got no one to blame but themselves, again

peace

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. There were more reporters on the scene than there are....

...West Virginians living nearby.

I would hope that how they got that story wrong is going to be the subject of a fair degree of scrutiny. Of primary interest should be who was the source of the story late last night that reported 12 miners had been found alive.

[Redstone]

43. Don't be ridiculous. What the hell would be the point of doing that?

Who would stand to gain, and what would they gain?

Redstone

[rman]

54. to discredit the anti-bush mainstream media

the bush admin would gain by spinning it as "see how unreliable the liberal media are, you can't trust those anti-american publications"

[NaturalHigh]

44. I don't think so.

I think it was just a screwup by the news people - a tragic one.

[txindy]

45. Anderson Cooper is very upset

That the rescuers knew 20 minutes after they found the men that they hadn't survived, but then waited three hours to tell the families. Odd. And cruel. I don't think there was any conspiracy, just a complete lack of empathy.

[underpants]

48. (just a guess) did Hatfield sit back and watch the football game?

The timing is almost exact for that to actually be the reason.

[txindy]

50. Oh, Lord, I hope not.

Nothing surprises me anymore, though.

[Carni]

52. As I am watching further coverage today

I think they knew they had a mess on their hands and wanted to make sure they brought an entourage of law enforcement with them when they actually had to reveal the truth (at the coal companies convenience of course)

It was indeed very cruel--very typical in these times of rampant assholishness but inexcusable and indecent

[txindy]

55. Telling families involved bringing in a SWAT team, it seems. Sick.

Even for these cowards this is sick.

Chaos broke out in the church and a fight started. About a dozen state troopers and a SWAT team were positioned along the road near the church because police were concerned about violence. Witnesses said one man had to be wrestled to the ground when he lunged for mining officials.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104/ap_on_re_us/mine_explosion

[RobinA]

99. Agreed

about them realizing they had a mess on their hands. Disagree that it was somehow purposely assholeish or indecent. They probably didn't have a clue what to do with the situation. Just because people are running things doesn't mean they secretly know how to solve every situation but sometimes decide to screw it up just for kicks.

[Critters2]

75. Good ol' Anderson

could have checked sources before joining in the celebration last night. Jerk.

I keep wondering if Aaron Brown would have handled it differently. Hmmm...

:popcorn:

[momisold]

49. I doubt it.

What I heard this morning was that the first report was that "they" had been found - no other explanation at the time, so it was assumed that meant "they" were alive. That is one of the downsides of having instant communication. Things are spread quickly before the full story is available.

[Zambero]

59. They were located and vital signs were being checked

This appears to have been the communication from the mine that spawned the rumor. The checking of vital signs doesn't necessarily imply that the miners were alive, but, along with wishful thinking in a desperate emotionally charged environment, this inconclusive news certainly was enough to generate a false conclusion.

[Norquist Nemesis]

56. It wasn't.

I watched it unfold from around 10:45 CST till 3 AM. There was no "news plant".

What seems to have happened was an (justifiably) overjoyed individual in or around the control center contacted someone (either a family member/friend at the church or elsewhere in the community) and relayed that they had been found. Whether this person relayed they were found alive or the person receiving the info inferred it, that is what was passed quickly through the crowd. Worried and exhausted, the community eagerly accepted the news.

The biggest mistake, IMO, was someone from the company or the Governor's office not taking control of the situation in a reasonable amount of time to (at the very least) tell the community that they had reached the location but the status was still being determined. Waiting hours and then dropping it on them in that way was heartbreaking and cruel. :(

[RobertSeattle]

61. The original body count was done by a Diebold machine

/SARCASM

[Critters2]

76. hehehe

:spray:

[Lasher]

62. One man was found alive

I am rejoicing about that unlikely event.

[mattclearing]

63. Sounds like a stretch to me.

Sometimes people get it wrong. This is one of the worst mis-reportings in a looonnnng time. That said, I wouldn't wrap it up in tinfoil just yet.

[Strong Atheist]

64. I think this MAY be

:tinfoilhat:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

65. That is one of the more disgusting claims I have heard in a while

Shame.

[RagingInMiami]

66. Shame on who?

WTF you talking about?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

101. I'm sorry - I thought you meant the "they're dead" story.

My bad

[scorpiogirl]

67. I'm in California

My husband called me shortly after leaving for work this morning and told me he saw two different newspapers. One said the miners had lived and the other said they died. Why couldn't they get it changed in time out here? They were both local area papers. I find that really curious.

[RagingInMiami]

68. They probably run a very early edition that hits the streets at about 3 am

Which paper was it?

[scorpiogirl]

69. I think it was the Valley Times that had it wrong, the other

was the Tri-Valley Herald. I am in the Bay Area.

[onenote]

87. my home delivered Washington Post didn't have either story

I'd be willing to bet that there are later editions that have the survival story and even later editions that have the corrected story. Three points in time, three editions, three stories.

onenote

[PittLib]

70. I watched this unfold for most of the night.

I see no conspiracy. It was a worst case scenario come true. The media coverage was tightly controlled. I don't see how anyone at the site could possibly benefit from this "miscommunication". While I understand that people want answers and sympathize with the victim's families, I find it difficult to point the finger. I do not believe that there was any malicious intent ... sometimes people rely so heavily on hope and prayers that the reality and/or possibility of the situation gets lost. If anything, I think they were keeping the media at bay to avoid the potential of this happening. This is incredibly unfortunate and my heart is with the families.

[LoZoccolo]

71. Is it possible...

...for someone to ascribe any meaning they want to to current events without leaving their seat to check it out?

[no_more_rhyming]

72. Hey, even

a broken clock is right twice a day.

[donheld]

79. Welcome to DU no_more_rhyming

:hi:

[bigwillq]

89. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Perky]

81. I think some one's tin foil hat is stuck up their butt

this is a absolutely absurdist paranoia at is worst.

[BlueIris]

95. Egh. Not quite the words I would have picked, but...

yeah. Come on. It's possible for me to imagine that the Admin or its supporters wanted to postpone the tragic news hitting the press as a means of accomplishing...a lot of things. Or nothing. But the idea that the primary focus was discrediting the newspapers--that's too paranoid even by my standards for what's reasonable (or maybe, not paranoid enough--I think the Admin or other folks might have attempted to stall the press reports of the deaths, but as a general means of keeping public somewhat less dreary during a week when some bad stuff is about to impact them).

[RagingInMiami]

82. Yes, I'm wearing a tinfoil hat. Yes, I'm a conspiracy theorist.

But this is what I know so far:

The initial report that they found twelve survivors supposedly came from a rescue worker via radio to officials at the command center.

Manchin explained at a news conference early Wednesday that officials and rescue supervisors were gathered at a command post near the mine when the voice of a rescue worker crackled loudly over a speaker phone, saying they had found 12 miners and were checking their vital signs.

Somehow, Hatfield and everyone else in the room who heard the call believed they were being told the men were alive.

Word spread rapidly to the relatives. It is unclear who was the first to tell them, though Hatfield at one point said they learned as the result of a "stray cell phone call."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2006/01/04/AR2006010400247.html

Isn’t it possible for a Rove operative to get on the radio waves with news that all the men were alive?

Yes, I’m wearing my tinfoil hat, but something about this story smells like bullshit to me.

The governor and family members then confirmed the story to the media while officials from the mining company refused to comment.

Hours later, only one of the 12 "survivors" was in the hospital. The rest were still at the scene, according to an article that I cut and paste from the Miami Herald seconds before they switched the stories.

the other miners' conditions were unknown, and several ambulances with flashing red lights were parked at the mine entrance.

I cut and pasted that story on this thread last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2348183#2348187

Didn't it seem suspicious that those other miners were not being transported?

A recent news report states that company officials knew within 20 minutes after the initial elation that the miners were dead.

A coal company executive says it became clear within 20 minutes that the news anxious family members had received about the survival of a dozen trapped miners was terribly wrong.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3564919.html


But as you see in the original story, they chose not to tell the media. However, someone was sure to contact the SWAT team and state police to prevent any violence.

You guys can flame me all you want. You guys can join the traditional DU pile-up.

But this is not your ordinary “miscommunication."

[onenote]

85. a "rove operative"?

Y'know, as many "Rove operatives" as allegedly are at work, its amazing that chimpy didn't get 70 percent of the votes.

Anyway, exactly what would the purpose have been? To discredit the media? Well, for starters, my home delivered copy of the Washington Post didn't have the story of the miners reportedly being found alive..it was too early for either that story or the subsequent discovery that the miners did not survive. And among those being discredited would be FoxNews, which was all over the "survival" story last night at 1 am. And, even here on DU, where skepticism about the media runs high, a substantial number of people have figured out that if there is blame, it belongs more on the mining company than on the media, so its a pretty lame conspiracy.

onenote

[A-Schwarzenegger]

86. "Isn’t it possible for a Rove operative to get on the radio waves

with news that all the men were alive?"

Isn't it possible that Rove operatives have shrunk themselves
down to microscopic size and crawled in your ears and intercepted
messages going across your synapses?

[Perky]

103. So where is the Rove operatve in all this?

What is the motivation to delay the obvious for three hours?

[RagingInMiami]

104. The rove operative

is stuck up your butt.

[Perky]

114. Now there is an intelligent response...ha-ha

[Perky]

115. Now there is an intelligent response...ha-ha

[A-Schwarzenegger]

83. What totally fucking insane bullshit.

[theHandpuppet]

91. Ditto that!

:eyes:

[Neil Lisst]

84. Psst! We're framing O.J. - pass it on!

--- Dana Carvey

This was a bad mistake.

[tuvor]

88. Sometimes a major fuckup is just a major fuckup. n/t

[rasputin1952]

90. Possibilities always exist...Probabilities are a whole different

situation.

This was a misunderstanding, and although I think that the mining compnay blew it by notcoming right out and sayuing this was unsubstantiated; once the word went out, it took on a life of it's own.

The entire situation is so very sad, and speculation just makes the tragedy even harder to accept.

May those miners Rest in Peace, and solace come quickly to the families.

[DemGirl7]

93. Did you read the whole story and not just the headline from the NY Times??

Because I believe it was the NY Times that was the paper that in its body of the whole story actually said "according to family members ...".

[A-Schwarzenegger]

94. 8 people recommended this.

Now THAT is somethin' to get perrynoyed about.

[RagingInMiami]

96. Probably people who enjoy seeing the DU pile-on

:evilgrin:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

98. Or the folks at ALCOA.

Got stock?

[tlsmith1963]

105. This Morning...

...I saw the USA Today paper on the way to work, & it had the old headline that the miners had been found alive. I know that USA Today could do nothing about it because of publishing deadlines, but isn't it sad to see a newspaper with an outdated headline like that? It made me feel sick.

Tammy

[onenote]

111. sometimes yes, sometimes no

onenote

[WHAT]

107. lesson learned...

you can't trust the corporate media.

on edit my new sig...CMDKS

[WilliamPitt]

108. No

Wow.

[FreedomAngel82]

113. Not everything is a consperiacy and for Bush

Things happen. It's life. I don't think so. They did this story just like they did with Schavio.