My, oh my. It never stops. Know who Whittington's wife is?

[TomInTib]

You guessed it.

Mercedes Baker Whittington.

Don't bother searching, her brother is the World's Greatest Janitor.

The one and only James A Baker III.

I actually knew this but I had forgotten.

[rateyes]

1. Whaddayaknow?

Small world, isn't it!

[Lars39]

2. They're a frickin' mob.

That one numbed my head a bit.

[proud patriot]

9. An Organized Crime Syndicate Is Controlling Our Nation

:rant:

[Lars39]

25. This one sure makes the others look like amateurs.

[HuskerDU]

51. And just like Mafia from the movies, this crew is selling us

'protection!'

[Joe Fields]

52. Couldn't have said it better.

[rman]

96. I'd say they control most of our planet

Other than that, i agree with you.

They think globally, so should we.

[in_cog_ni_to]

105. Exactly. BUSH FAMILY EVIL EMPIRE, SYNDICATED CRIME FAMILY.

:grr:

[SmokingJacket]

140. Yep. nt

[henslee]

18. What's the rush? Sit down, I'll make you and your friends a little pasta.

[Stephanie]

They're the Corleones.

Only not as bright.

[madame defarge]

30. Or the Medicis... n/t

[Bridget Burke]

106. Without the interest in culture...

I've attended many arty events in Houston over the years. Some of the attendees are the rich folks--patrons--who are sincerely interested in art. And I've checked out the society column on the big-time shindigs where serous money is raised for museums, the opera, the ballet, etc.

The Bush family is conspicuously absent from these events. Well--Nielsie & his new wife did show up for the exclusive private opening of the Cartier exhibit at our Museum of Fine Arts. (I went to the peasants' opening. Pretty, glittery stuff--but not fine art.)

Otherwise--nada.

[wordpix]

138. well that explains the "sorry I got in Dick's way" explanation-it's all in

the crime family

[Scout1071]

45. You are absolutely correct. They are a mafia family.

And they are wholly un-American.

[Dulcinea]

97. They're the Sopranos.

With Boy George as Chrissy.

[Binka]

99. That Is Why Cheney Is A No Touch..NOBODY TOUCHES THE DON!

We will never know what happened in Texas that day...sorta like JFK...with the same gang of criminals

[Cha]

156. Incestous mob..but

aren't they all?

[txindy]

3. Oh, for pity's sake!

That certainly explains a lot.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

63. Yep. I picture JAB3 showing up at the Armstrong "ranch"...

... in a Honda NSX a la Harvey Keitel in "Pulp Fiction".

"The Cleaner" is here. :puke:

[txindy]

67. And Darth will owe him. Big time.

Hey, gives a whole new meaning to that nickname of his, doesn't it? No wonder Darth is "profoundly affected" as Junior claims - The Cleaner has him by the 'shotgun shells'. :evilgrin:

[KC21304]

4. I have a feeling he may not want to help Cheney

clean up this mess.

[fooj]

5. The fucking rat bastards are everywhere.

"World's Greatest Janitor"...LOL!!!

Peace.

[Katherine Brengle]

19. "rat bastards"--I almost forgot Malloy was on! LOL. n/t

[fooj]

24. He's off tonight...out ill!

Bummer. I'll gladly argue that I've been calling these pricks rat bastards longer than Mikey has, however. LOL!!!

Peace.

[Katherine Brengle]

41. lol--yeah i clicked it on and it's a best of show... back to stargate on

dvd i guess :)

:popcorn: :woohoo: :popcorn: :woohoo:

[Katherine Brengle]

6. eww.... n/t

[bonito]

36. My feelings exactly!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[xxqqqzme]

7. The incest never stops....

[Karenina]

113. Nope it sho' don't

Wonder what the topics of conversation were back at the ranch?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x417384

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

8. I've Seen Several Sites With All Sorts Of Details

These guys are like cliques. They travel in packs. They're intwined with one another. rove knows armstrong, her dead husband knew all sorts of people. They have all the connections they need, and that's how they continue to get away with everything.

The more I know, the less I can see myself living my remaining years in this country. I think that things are just going to get worse, and the only question is whether the world will survive the shrapnel.

[SammyWinstonJack]

111. Except that their tentacles are world wide, so there is probably no where

too escape to.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Why do I hear a banjo playing...

[wordpix]

139. LOL

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. I wonder what they were all 'meeting' about

trying to help Cheney figure out how to get out of the mess he's made for himself? And that was before the shooting.

[yellowdogmi]

32. No Baker calling in a chip.

Hey Darth,
My Brother in law is on to us. Can you help me out down here?

Sure Jim, Let's go hunt quail with him. Wink Wink.

What have you got against Dan?

Bwaaaahaaaa haaaa haaaaaa!


Edited to add. Lying Rat Bastards.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Holy F**k! It was a hit!

No,I'm kidding. But seriously,isn't it odd how God seems to put their loved ones in danger's way? First it was Ted Olson's wife, Barbara, on a 9/11 plane. (I mean, really, how freakie was that?) And now Cheney pulls a gun on Jim Baker's brother in-law.

It's all bad karma.

[Stephanie]

26. Cheney shot Jim Baker's brother-in-law.

Wow. It's Family Feud.

[DoYouEverWonder]

37. So Bush put Jim Baker's brother-in-law

in charge of the Texas Funeral Commission. Oh how convenient.

Edit: brother-in-law not brother

[Timefortruth]

39. Jim Baker's brother's wife. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

42. No. Jim Baker's sister's husband.

"Don't bother searching, her brother is the World's Greatest Janitor."

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Jim Baker's brother-in-law.

The Liberal (ha-ha) Republican.

[Guaranteed]

61. I think Cheney is now his own grandpa.

Or something. :)

[Pastiche423]

93. Cheney shot Jim Baker's brother-in-law in the FACE!

Lying Rat Bastard.

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. I wish Jon Stuart had the balls to upgrade his show with that line!

Boy, would it bring it home to the public.

[EVDebs]

130. "The Penguin" from Batman is pretty good though, you gotta admit

Same scowl, same oinky piglike grunting.

[txindy]

35. Karma has a twisted sense of humour

And a looooooooooong memory, too.

[Solly Mack]

13. Wealth is best concentrated by marrying wealth

and when you consider how concentrated wealth is in America, is it any wonder it's incestuous in nature?

[Pacifist Patriot]

128. Mustn't thin the blood lines by marrying out of the nobility.

[Timefortruth]

14. Vote this up

How could this be a secret for so long?

Yeah, he's an acquaintance.

[mikelewis]

15. James Baker is a partner at BakerBots, the firm she was a...

lobbyist for. Ironic isn't it?

[Katherine Brengle]

22. Don't forget the Armstrong connection to BakerBotts n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Is that the firm that got Georgie out of trouble in 1989 because one

of the lawyers in the firm was head of the SEC and refused to investigate Harkin on insider trading?

[jimshoes]

16. Son of a gun

(no pun intended) well, maybe a little.

[Stephanie]

17. Was it just a big house party? Did the family host the guests?

Or is it a paid holiday sort of dude-hunter ranch? I'm thinking it was a free weekend as the guest of old friends. A big social house party. Is that correct?

[TomInTib]

29. No dude ranch. And the only party was to celebrate sex- as in..

the f**king of the American Taxpayer.

[Stephanie]

33. oh so it wasn't one of these dude ranch canned shoots kind of places

it was their FRIENDS, who invited everyone for the weekend to shoot. a dozen guests at a house party. very british, a hunting weekend at a country estate, loaded with intrique.

[TomInTib]

43. Hey, Stephanie, I've got your canned hunt right here...

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/wayne_pacelle_the_animal_advocate/cheneys_canned_kill_and_other_hunting_excesses_of_the_bush_administration.html

[leftchick]

103. he is a sick MFer

who probably really believes this is hunting....
:puke:

<snip>

Upon his arrival at the exclusive Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township, gamekeepers released 500 pen-raised pheasants from nets for the benefit of him and his party. In a blaze of gunfire, the group—which included legendary Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach and U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX), along with major fundraisers for Republican candidates—killed at least 417 of the birds. According to one gamekeeper who spoke to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Cheney was credited with shooting more than 70 of the pen-reared fowl.

After lunch, the group shot flocks of mallard ducks, also reared in pens and shot like so many live skeet. There's been no report on the number of mallards the hunting party killed, but it's likely that hundreds fell.

Rolling Rock is an exclusive private club for the wealthy with a world-class golf course and a closed membership list. It is also a "canned hunting" operation—a place where fee-paying hunters blast away at released animals, whether birds or mammals, who often have no reasonable chance to escape. Most are "no kill, no pay" operations where patrons only shells out funds for the animals they kill.

[DemonFighterLives]

115. So fun shooting fish in a barrel

Elite bastard has gone so far with his heartless hunting, he has now bagged a human.
:argh:

[Stephanie]

38. What's the cash value of such a weekend. at the home of a lobbyist?

I don't care if they're "old friends." If she has business before the government, and he is accepting free hunting vacations from her at her home, then it something that should be declared.

[TomInTib]

47. On a ranch like the Armstrong with that sort of (ugh) company,...

It would be thousands of dollars a day.

edit: I cannot manage to spell "that"

[havocmom]

53. Steph, Armstrong- board of Halliburton?

thought I saw that somewhere this week. She was/is on Halliburton Board and was instrumental in making Dead Eye Dick CEO. Anybody have link to that info?

[TomInTib]

60. No link, but you are correct.

I know it to be a fact.

[sattahipdeep]

123. Cheney-Fuddgate Scandal link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x417384#446969

[wordpix]

142. oh, nice, what a bunch of fucking criminal money grubbing asses

[Zen Democrat]

66. The Armstrongs are so old money, they got Cheney his job at Halliburton.

It's no dude ranch. It's a huge ranch -- with oil wells and everything.

[tridim]

20. I think that "ranch" needs to be thoroughly searched

What else goes on down there besides killing tame birds? Gambling comes to mind. Perhaps it's also a safe place for GOP higher-ups to bring their mistresses? Open up that guest book.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

46. Yeah, I'll bet you're right on all counts.

They've even got a big landing strip... Gotta wonder how many DC-3's packed to the ceiling with coke have landed in that friendly little out-of-the-way place. Junior himself used to fly to Central America . . . for reasons unknown.

"Hey, it's hard work scorin' some blow!"

(Good luck though . . . on opening the guest book.)

[Straight Shooter]

21. Birds of a feather flock together.

So to speak. :P

[northofdenali]

23. Holy shit. I knew there had to be a rotten core in there.

Good ole Jimmy the Janitor. Don't his ties to Cheney go way, way back?

[fooj]

27. Whittington is the Funeralgate dude.

Peace

[kainah]

31. how many times

have you thought that they couldn't surprise you anymore on a story and then, by gum, they just go and do it........

Truly quite astonishing but, by now, not surprising. Cheney claims he's just "an acquaintance?" Wonder if they've ever all been up on James Baker's "ranch" in Wyoming....

Funny that the traditional media hasn't mentioned this, isn't it?

:shrug:

[spindrifter]

34. Did you ever

think about writing the definitive History of Tx? Maybe under an assumed name?

[TomInTib]

49. Are you referring to me? nt

[spindrifter]

56. None other!

:evilgrin:

[TomInTib]

58. Lemme get back to you tomorrow. nt

[Senator]

44. I thought I'd seen that face before

Now we just need one on a wanted poster.

--

[Hand]

48. What can I say but... this is HUGH!!1111!!! nt

[bigwillq]

50. Wow. I didn't know that.

Figures.

[cliss]

54. Thanks for the update, T.

I didn't know this little sordid detail. But I've added it to my Mental Rolodex of Criminal Types.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. Well, at least it wasn't a Democrat

If evil, drunk Cheney had to go and shoot someone, we're fortunate it was just another Republican rat like Cheney himself. Too bad GOPers don't go hunting with one another more often and confuse one another for birds.

[Catherine Vincent]

57. It's all in the family.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

59. I should be surprised, but I'm not

They are a tight clan, are they not?

Now more than ever I'm sure we'll never hear the truth of this shooting. There's no way in hell that a person as deep in bed with them as Whittington is going to do anything but continue to cover for them. After all, his own in-laws are behind bush being where he is today.

[txindy]

69. But they'd certainly have a lot to hold over Darth's head, now, hmmm?

If Junior wants anything - like, say, a new VP - what's a compromised Elmer Fudd to do? :shrug:

This is gonna get veeeeeeeeery interesting.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

70. I hadn't looked at it from that angle

You have a good point there. This could get very interesting indeed. :D

[lonestarnot]

81. Oh boy!

:popcorn:

[wordpix]

144. but---Darth holds a lot over Whittington, too---and no wonder * is pissed

Darth shot one of his big contributors

[Nothing Without Hope]

62. And don't forget, Whittington himself is in the middle of FUNERALGATE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x403640
thread title (2-13-06 GD): The guy Cheney shot was involved in Funeralgate (gravedumping by Bush pal)
Comment/excerpt: “In 1999, Bush named Austin lawyer Harry Whittington (shot this weekend by Dick Cheney) to be the new director of Texas State Funeral Commission after a major shakeup in which the former director, Eliza May, was fired while investigating accusations of grave-dumping by SCI, the largest funeral-home operator in the world, headed by Robert Waltrip, a longtime Bush friend and major campaign contributor.”

Background on Funeralgate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x443167
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Funeralgate Company hid Katrina dead in 10 weeks! Now closing 17M morgue
Comment/excerpt: Goodboy’s comment: “Following a no-bid contract, wholly-owned subsidiary of SCI, (funeralgate)Kenyon Co. have done such a great job hiding (i.e. desecrating) the dead in NOLA from Hurricane Katrina, that they're closing down a 17million dollar taxpayer funded morgue in just 10 weeks!” Post includes info and links on Funeralgate. Excerpt: “’Funeralgate’ is the name given to a scandal involving George W. Bush and family campaign contributor Robert Waltrip, owner of Service Corporation International, the largest funeral home company in the world. In 1999, Bush was subpoenaed but refused to testify in a lawsuit filed against the state of Texas and SCI by Eliza May, former director of the Texas Funeral Service Commission, who claimed that she was fired when she refused to quit investigating SCI despite pressure from Bush and his then Chief of Staff Joe Allbaugh. The lawsuit was quietly settled in November, 2001, weeks before the revelation in the media that two Florida cemeteries owned by SCI were recycling graves, removing remains from their places of rest and placing other people in the graves. 9,000 people have staked a claim to a $100,000,000 settlement in a lawsuit stemming from the desecration of graves at these cemeteries. In one instance at Menorah Gardens, a Jewish cemetery, SCI desecrated graves and left corpses in the woods where they were devoured by wild hogs.”
Harry Whittington was also involved in Funeralgate.

[Pryderi]

80. Whittington was appointed by Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=447676&mesg_id=448612

[Olney Blue]

141. ...and shot by Cheney.

[wordpix]

143. OMG---Funeralgate involves Whittington and dumping corpses!

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. Dirty Texas politics sure is incestuous. COMPILATION of Fuddgate threads

in GD and the Research Forum :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=358x3133
thread title (2-14-06 RESEARCH FORUM): Compilation of threads on 2/06 Cheney shooting incident, including videos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x411916
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Thread COMPILATION on Cheney shooting/Fuddgate - including VIDEOS:

I'll be adding this one later tonight.

[Clara T]

65. That Means Money Laundering

Baker's forte.

[FreedomAngel82]

68. Oh wow

So no wonder Bush appointed Mr. Whittington got that job with the funeral stuff.

[TomInTib]

71. Ya think? nt

[txindy]

77. I've got a question for you on the implications of this relationship.

Please tell me what you think, either here or over where I've asked the questions. I'm genuinely curious. Your discovery has huge implications to my mind. Massive changes could take place. Or not. It'll be interesting, for sure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=448961&mesg_id=448961

[XOKCowboy]

72. I shoulda knowd....

that James Baker figured into this somehow. No wonder she can lie with such a straight face.

James Baker makes KKarl Rove look like a choirboy.

[TomInTib]

78. You got that exactly right. Most think Baker works for BFEE but I...

believe it is the other way around.

[wordpix]

151. BFEE includes Bakers, Armstrongs, Bin Ladens, Saudi royals, a lot of

disparate characters.

[El Supremo]

73. Wow. Holy Mother of excrement!

You sure this isn't some DaVinci code or something?

[Marie26]

74. It's all a circle

Whenever you start researching one Bush crony, it's not long before you stumble across another one. They've got 20+ years of hiring each other, giving contracts to each other, marrying each other, & appointing each other to important gov. positions. It's like the ultimate club - the BFEE, I guess.

[Emit]

75. Is Mercedes Whittington Baker's only sister?

Just curious if this excerpt is referring to Mercedes, or if Baker has any other sisters. Either way...!

"America's new Secretary of State, James Baker III, had an upbringing that would be painfully familiar to a survivor of an old-style English public school. His father, James Baker II, used to douse his only son with cold water if he slept past 7a.m..... Baker's work habits today-like Margaret Thatcher, he lives and breathes his job-are a product of his father's hard-driving style; his younger sister is said to have been so unhinged by the prodding that she became "unhinged" and spent three decades in and out of mental homes."

'Profile of James Baker', Sunday Times, 26 ii 1989.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:ILDHNZ7YaAAJ:www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/Brand/quotes/q05.html%3Fnochoice%3Dy+James+A.+Baker+III+siblings&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=76

[TomInTib]

82. I believe she is older than her brother...

The old man was a monster. But so were the peres of many of the originals in Texas.

Hassie (H L,jr) Hunt went the same way.

[lostnfound]

84. Odd, this genealogy mentions no siblings

http://www.ishipress.com/pafg209.htm#8647

[TomInTib]

85. Odd, since I met her at a party at the home of Baker's oldest son

in Houston about 15 years ago.

These bastards probably scrub everything they cannot use in a positive way.

on edit:

this "geneology" doesn't mention the younger sister driven crazy by the Old Man's discipline, either.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:ILDHNZ7YaAAJ:www.cycad.com/cgi-bin/Brand/quotes/q05.html%3Fnochoice%3Dy+James+A.+Baker+III+siblings&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=76

[lostnfound]

88. oops, did I spell it wrong?

This is just a very fascinating fact, assuming that it's true. But boy they have buried it deep, it appears.

[TomInTib]

91. No, you got it right. The account even mentions Glenwood...

Cemetary (final resting place of Howard Hughes and many Houston luminaries, including my late ex-mother-in-law).

The account just left out the siblings. James A also has a brother.

[canichelouis]

104. Very few Americans have ever heard of Marvin Bush

I've heard Poppy Bush talk about his '3' sons.

He has 4.

That has always bother me.

Ghost family members

[progressivebydesign]

76. I still think the secrecy was about the unseemly coupling that weekend.

Where exactly was Dick's wife during all of this? I think the whole thing was covered up simply to give them time to figure out how to admit that this was a swinger's weekend... would ANY of you go away for a weekend with someone else's spouse like that? Or away for the weekend in a house with the opposite sex and no spouses? I think they're just shocked that NO ONE has even brought up the sex issue... shit, it it were Al Gore, the talk show heads would be all over the fact that he was with women for the weekend. Why is there no mention of this in the media?? THAT is the real story. The shooting is plausible for an old bag like Cheney, the sex... well that's just the real story.

[wordpix]

150. Darth will do Viagra commercials for his next gig, after he's impeached

[lonestarnot]

79. Aquaintance my ass!

[leesa]

83. Organized crime.. Our government is a crime syndicate.

[Binka]

98. That Is Why Cheney Is A No Touch..NOBODY TOUCHES THE DON!

[daleo]

86. All the more reason the police should have done a proper investigation

Often when people shoot their close relatives there is more than an accident behind it. The police know this.

[wordpix]

152. however---police know this whole family is TX royalty

[lostnfound]

87. Do you have a link on this? nt

[XOKCowboy]

89. What's funny is that even if it's NOT true, I believed it immediately

It's just so like these guys. :shrug:

[TomInTib]

92. Oh, it is so true XOKC....

I know these people.

Their on-line tree omits all of James A III siblings.

[TomInTib]

90. There is no link....

I know them.

Google "Mercedes Baker Whittington" and see what happens.

Try to find out find anything of consequence about any of the Bakers except James A III.

Greatest Janitor Ever.

My family has been in what is now known as Texas since 1630.

I know them

[txindy]

94. Well, I believe you do know them. As well as anyone can know them, that is

That's why I asked you about the implications. If you get a chance, please check out post #77 above.

[sattahipdeep]

114. Goldfish...Baker.....Krongard

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1332757

[hfojvt]

95. what is this "world's greatest janitor" stuff?

I work as a janitor. Is that supposed to be funny?

Boy, you really put Baker in his place by comparing him to me. What an insult that is.

[Bridget Burke]

107. James Baker III cleans up "messes"....

He flew into Florida when it looked like Shrub might be losing--back in 2000.

Last year, a big explosion at the BP Refinery down in Texas City killed 15 & injured 170. The refinery has had safety problems for years & regulations (such as they are in Texas) were definitely ignored before the event. Who is in charge of the "Independent Safety Review Panel"? James Baker III! (Of course, Baker & Botts represents BP--but he said he sold all his stock!)

www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7011424

Comparing the janitors of the world to Baker is an insult to the janitors. They do more valuable work & get paid much less. MUCH less.

[in_cog_ni_to]

108. He's also the attorney for the Saudi Royal family. Right?

:hi:

[Bridget Burke]

112. Only one of the strands in the web....

Well, ho ho ho! It's an early Christmas for James Baker III.

All year the elves at his law firm, Baker Botts of Texas, have been working day and night to prevent the families of the victims of the September 11 attack from seeking information from Saudi Arabia on the Kingdom's funding of Al Qaeda fronts.

It's tough work, but this week came the payoff when President Bush appointed Baker Botts' senior partner to "restructure" the debts of the nation of Iraq.

And who will net the big bucks under Jim Baker's plan? Answer: his client, Saudi Arabia, which claims $30.7 billion due from Iraq (plus $12 billion in "reparations" from the First Gulf war).

www.alternet.org/story/17343/

James Baker III might not be linked to the Cheney Shooting a 78 Year Old Man In the Face Incident. But it's always fun to review Baker's "interesting" past.

[wordpix]

146. I am reeling from all this...think I'll be sick now

:puke:

[txindy]

109. He's the one sent to fix everything up and make it right, again.

It's a metaphor. Remember when he swooped down on Florida in 2000 to help fix the results? He turns up every time the cabal has a major problem.

[hfojvt]

134. it is a metaphor - meant to be insulting

thus he is not called "Mr. Fix-it" or the "world's greatest repairman" or the "world's greatest plumber". Because, after all, it is more insulting to be called a janitor.

Also, he does not fix anything, does he? He is a shill who sweeps things under the rug, who plays the system and spins things so they look good or work to favor the MIC or RP (RP could be Republican Party but I am thinking it stands for Rich and Powerful - ironic, eh?). So he gets called either because he is a very capable lawyer, good problem solver, or has connections and knows how to work people.

[txindy]

135. I sure didn't take the metaphor that way.

And, no, I don't look down on janitors.

[Junkdrawer]

110. Comparing a former Sec. of State to a janitor.....insults janitors?

The funny thing is, I can see your point...

:rofl:

[hfojvt]

133. that is not my point

although it works.

The point is that janitor is being used as an insult - which implies, as most Americans feel, that it is an insult to work as a janitor. Or it could also apply to how our society feels about anybody who does a nasty, menial job. Like even the "world's greatest janitor" has the same value as a bag of garbage. I am starting to feel that a year of janitorial service should be mandatory for everyone, then people would not be such arrogant slobs, but OTOH, there are plenty of janitors who are slackers too.

[aquart]

100. Firedoglake commentary says James is an only child.

But they did manage to trace Mercedes Baker's daddy to a Larry Baker. Not the same antecedents as James.

I have no idea how to link Holoscan or I would.

[Peter Frank]

101. I can't find the link right now, but I know that James Baker was the one..

...who recruited Bu$h Jr. for the 2000 run.

Anyone got a link?

[PRETZEL]

116. May be slightly off topic, but if there's any connection,

the other woman who was there was Pamela Pitzer Willeford. I'm usually not one for conpiracy theories and the like, but this is just a little too rich if there's anything too it.

http://www.expendableelite.com/UW_archives/UW_archive.0004.html

I have no idea if there's a connection, but is it possible that Pamela Willeford's father was one Lt Cl. William Pitzer who was apparently (some claim) assissinated by the CIA as a result of the Kennedy Assination.

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. OMG...surely there's a DU investigator who can find out! Great catch!

:scared:

[txindy]

118. I'd start a new thread on that. It'll get lost in this one.

Seriously, this sounds very interesting and needs more attention to determine the possibilities.

[in_cog_ni_to]

120. I agree! It needs its own thread. n/t

[PRETZEL]

122. I'm not sure I have rights to start new thread,

If you and the mod's feel it's worth new thread, please do.

[dogday]

124. I read where he had two Sons, both who deny

that it was suicide... Perhaps she married and divorced one of the Sons?

[confludemocrat]

119. Who says "no man is above the law"? there's a list being compiled as we go

from crime to crime, even involving open drunken shooting of each other and no one can do a fucking thing

[eppur_se_muova]

121. If they get more inbred, won't they be born with tails or something?

Not much diversity in this little gene pool, maybe that's why Neil was trying to "recruit" Chinese hookers?

[wordpix]

147. maybe this is why * mentioned the human-animal hybrids in SOTU

[lebkuchen]

125. very incestuous

a mini Hapsburg Empire.

[sundancekid]

126. yep:: BushCo Inbreeding = a million GOPers, and 10 last names

[Greyskye]

127. James A. Baker III - connecting the dots

Here is a great page to re-acquaint yourself with James A. Baker III: http://www.hereinreality.com/baker.html

[wordpix]

148. LOL re: Janitor who couldn't clean up Darth's shooting of his bro-in-law

[Timefortruth]

129. He was an only child,

but he had many daughters by his first wife, what are their names?

[Rocknrule]

131. Our nation is being run by Al Capone

[Tulum_Moon]

132. Their Mob gets bigger everday

Why is he called the Janitor?

[phoebe]

136. here's an EXCELLENT IN-DEPTH article on Bakers/Bushes going WA Y back .

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20041011&s=bryce

It's a Baker Botts World
by ROBERT BRYCE



snip

The induction of George W. Bush into the Texas crony network can be traced to a precise date: June 6, 1962. On that date, the gregarious 15-year-old went to work in the mailroom of Houston's oldest and most prestigious law firm, Baker Botts.

Four decades later, the financial/political symbiosis between the Bushes and Baker Botts is stronger than ever. Indeed, no law firm in America has profited more from its association with the two Bush Administrations than Baker Botts. Much of that influence stems from the firm's patriarch, the silver-maned, silver-tongued former Secretary of State, James A. Baker III. And now that Baker has joined George W. Bush's campaign--he is leading the negotiations with the Kerry campaign on the presidential debates--it's assured that he and a battalion of Baker Botts barristers are ready to man the ramparts in the event of another Florida recount scenario.

Nearly four years have passed since Baker stridently proclaimed that "the vote in Florida has been counted and then recounted. Governor George W. Bush was the winner of the vote. He was also the winner of the recount." It scarcely matters now that Baker's statement wasn't true: When Baker made that pronouncement, on November 11, 2000, the recount had not even begun in two of the four counties the Gore campaign had targeted. The important thing was that Baker stuck to the script. He also kept the entire Bush legal team--which included several Baker Botts lawyers--focused and determined to win at all costs. Shortly after Bush prevailed at the US Supreme Court in 2000, Baker told an interviewer, "I think all this talk about legitimacy is way overblown."

snip

James A. Baker III has never doubted that the Bushes deserve to live in the White House. Their ties go back to the 1950s, when George H.W. Bush met Baker on the tennis courts at the Houston Country Club. At about the same time, Baker Botts began handling the legal work for Bush's company, Zapata Petroleum. It was a reasonable choice: Baker Botts is the second-oldest law firm west of the Mississippi. And since its founding, it has consistently represented the looters, polluters and plutocrats. Baker's great-grandfather Judge James A. Baker made his reputation by representing the infamous railroad robber baron Jay Gould, the man who tried to corner the gold market in 1869. Gould's shenanigans led to "Black Friday," when gold prices collapsed, financial panic ensued and the reputation of President Ulysses S. Grant, who had been duped by Gould, was ruined. After aligning itself with Gould, the law firm began specializing in railroad law. When oil began dominating Texas, Baker Botts began working for Big Oil.

In 1957 Baker was prevented from working at the law firm that employed his father, grandfather and great-grandfather thanks to the firm's new anti-nepotism rule, a policy adopted during his father's tenure. But the nepotism policy was rescinded when the newly out of work former Secretary of State returned to Houston. In fact, the firm welcomed him--at a salary reported to be $1 million per year. In addition to his job at Baker Botts, Baker also began selling his influence to select corporations. Just thirty-three days after Bill Clinton moved into the White House, Baker, in addition to his duties at Baker Botts, took a job lobbying for Enron in postwar Kuwait and elsewhere.

and so much more..mafia is right..

[wordpix]

149. KICK!!

[Pryderi]

153. The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty (Paperback)-Kitty Kelley Great book!

[susu369]

137. This is why DU is so important

What incredible information.

Thank you.

[Initech]

145. Now we can officially say the Bushistas are a crime family!

:wow: :yoiks:

[Ferry Fey]

154. Is Sally Whittington May related to Eliza May?

Sally Whittington May, who spoke for her father when he was in the hospital -- is she now related in some fashion to Eliza May, formerly funeral commission head and whistleblower?

[helderheid]

155. kick