Salon Obtains 'Entirety' of Abu Ghraib Photos & Videos

[kpete]

Why we're publishing the new Abu Ghraib photos
America -- and the world -- has the right to know what was done in our name.

By Walter Shapiro


Feb. 16, 2006 | The horrors carried out during the last three months of 2003 by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison are shockingly familiar and, at the same time, oddly remote. The torture photographs that were published when the prisoner-abuse scandal first exploded have lost their power to shock. We have all seen the pictures repeatedly: a pyramid of unclothed prisoners; a naked detainee cowering in front of snarling dogs; captives wearing punitive hoods that seem borrowed from a medieval inquisition; American soldiers grinning over Iraqi dead bodies and, always, that chillingly ironic thumbs-up sign.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib_intro/


Salon obtains 'entirety' of Abu Ghraib photos, videos, inquiry
RAW STORY
Published: February 16, 2006

Salon.com has obtained files and other electronic documents from an internal Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal. The material, which includes more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army's probe, may represent all of the photographic and video evidence that pertains to that investigation. Excerpts; Salon's photo gallery can be see here.


The files, from the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID), include hundreds of images that have never been publicly released. Along with the unpublished material, the material obtained by Salon also appears to include all of the famous photographs published after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke in April 2004, as well as the photographs and videos published Wednesday by the Australian television news show "Dateline."

The source who gave the CID material to Salon is someone who spent time at Abu Ghraib as a uniformed member of the military and is familiar with the CID investigation.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Salon_obtains_entirety_of_Abu_Ghraib_0216.html
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/portfolio.html

edit to include:
The DVD containing the material includes a June 6, 2004, CID investigation report written by Special Agent James E. Seigmund. That report includes the following summary of the material included: "A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."

Salon's photo gallery can be see here.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/portfolio.html
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Salon_obtains_entirety_of_Abu_Ghraib_0216.html

[Stephanie]

1. I just heard this on NPR

I think they are taking a big risk with this and we should support them.

[Richard Steele]

2. I'm only getting a black screen at the Salon link.

Still good to know that these are getting out.
Let the world see what the NeoCons really stand for,
and let them be judged for their works!

[kpete]

4. works for me - takes a couple of seconds

Problem is they are so gruesome, I simply cannot view all of them. Those of you who can, give me your thoughts.

[Richard Steele]

You're right- it just takes awhile to appear. Thanks! nm

[darkmaestro019]

64. you know, I was eyerolling about your huge pic--until it loaded.

That's Art in the truest sense of the word--meant to disturb, enlighten, and emotionally affect in a way that cannot easily be dismissed from the mind. If you made it, I salute you. If you merely chose it, I congratulate you on your flawless taste and courage.

(applause)

[Richard Steele]

73. Thank you! nm

[hlthe2b]

3. I wonder if they are talking about ALL that they have OR

if there are still the videos of the children (that Sy Hersch)) spoke of and which, I believe the German media got access to (or at least viewed and reported on) about a year ago...

Heaven help us... Our country is morally bankrupt. Yes, though to supporting Salon. I will re-up my subscription this weekend.

[wiggs]

8. Seymore Hersh

Seymore Hersh would also be able to say whether or not Salon's images are those he saw and some congressmen saw last year.

[shanti]

54. i viewed the photos

they quite disgusting, but i really don't believe that these are all they have. the unreleased ones have to be worse. notice the timing of their release, when many other "problems" for the admin are being released.

[Nimrod2005]

5. There is video of soldiers raping little boys?

The boys overheard squeeling....?

[Just Me]

6. OMG! I can NOT bring myself to view any more of these horrifying,...

,...images. :cry: I just,...CAN'T!!! ;(

[Geoff R. Casavant]

7. You must.

Every person must be made to bear witness to what has been done in our name. Let your discomfort turn to anger, then use that anger constructively.

[w8liftinglady]

14. I agree-these photos stirred a deep anger in me

...especially the one I saw involving a child of about 13-14.I visualized my own sons in that situation,and the fear they must have felt.It was almost too much to bear-but this is what sparks revolutions.

[Trevelyan]

76. US Presses On With Construction of Maximum-Security Prison Complex

http://www.CagePrisoners.com has a very extensive site on the helpless prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere and action items you can help stop this sick insanity!!

Defiant US Presses On With Construction of Maximum-Security Prison Complex
By Con Coughlin 17/02/2006

America is pressing ahead with the construction of a complex of high-security jails at Guantanamo Bay despite calls from the United Nations for the prison camp to be closed.

The US military has just finished building a $16 million (£9 million) 100-bed maximum-security prison, and a second jail capable of holding 200 prisoners is due to be completed this summer.

Senior officers at Guantanamo say they aim to have all of the 500 detainees currently held at the US Naval base housed in the maximum security prisons, which are based on a state-of-the-art jail in Idaho.

Work on the jails is continuing despite a call from the authors of a UN human rights report for the immediate closure of Guantanamo and prosecution of American officials found guilty of torturing the inmates.

The White House last night dismissed the report as a "discredit to the UN". "They haven't even looked into the facts, all they've done is look at the allegations," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. "We know that al-Qa'eda terrorists are trained in trying to disseminate false allegations."

The Pentagon has rejected the findings of the UN report, and says it will continue to hold the detainees, which it classifies as enemy combatants, so long as they can provide intelligence and until they are no longer deemed to be a threat to the security of the US.

SOURCE: The Telegraph

[PurpleChez]

29. On one hand, I refuse to share or accept responsibility for the grotesque

crimes of the neocons. On the other hand, I think that every adult in the U.S. -- certainly every * supporter and war fetishist -- should be compelled to see every last one of these pictures, just as Eisenhower (or was it Patton?) forced the "we-thought-they-were-making-ball-bearings" neighbors of one of the Nazi death camps to "tour" the camp after its liberation. Half of our nation condones these atrocities in principle -- they need to be confronted with the reality in vivid color.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

33. Amen.

N/t

[Aviation Pro]

39. Patton

eom

[SaveElmer]

42. It was Ike I think...

Patton is seen on many newsreels touring the camps with Ike though.

[Nightwing]

35. I cant either

I understand completely and just cannot view them any longer. I am so ashamed of our once great nation that torture by * can be so easily dismissed. The man is pure evil and the sooner we're rid of him the better.

[donheld]

9. The shame of the nation

:blush: :blush:

[Marie26]

10. 546 images of dead Iraqi detainees

Unbelievable. I couldn't look at all the photos, but I'm glad they were finally released. Americans need to know what has been done there, in our name. It's simply horrifying.

[AbbyR]

11. This is what is being done in our name,

and with our money. I am horrified beyond belief. Please, tell me someone, what can we do to get this stopped, and get that man out of office?

I hate to be vengeful, but I have to say it would give me some satisfaction to see the current administration subjected to the same sort of cruelty.

[SpiralHawk]

13. k & r

We have to face the truth.

America must face the truth of what the neoCON republicans have done in the name of America.

[LibertyorDeath]

12. I can here them over at free rethuglic

USA USA USA!
Support The Troops!


"20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes"

[saigon68]

60. These Troops are like Charles Manson

SCUM OF THE EARTH.

THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS.

LIKE THE NAZIS

[Marr]

15. A man dies in CIA custody, no record of his imprisonment.

He's obviously been beaten severely in the face.

Sickening.

[FatDave]

36. And according to ths SBS Dateline report...

He died during interrogation in that blood-saked room.

[converted_democrat]

16. I don't really know what to say.. I don't want to believe it, but I know

it's true.. I can't stand this.. I feel ill.

[kpete]

17. another site

http://www.chris-floyd.com/abu/#oz

[izzybeans]

18. So it was the content of the CID notes that scared the government

so much they had to hide these. Remember it's not about the gore in the pictures its about the information in the investigation. CIA officers torturing prisoners to the point of death.

[Marie26]

19. "Ghost prisoners"

And there's no record of all of many of the prisoners that were tortured to death. One photo shows a man who died at Abu-Ghraib prison. The caption for the photo states that there is no record of his imprisonment. If it weren't for these photos, we'd never know that Mr. al-Jamadi was even in US custody, much less that he was killed by CIA interrogators. The US is shipping these prisoners to Abu Ghraib & Eastern Europe gulags, where they disappear. Since there's no record of their imprisonment, the interrogators can treat them any way they want, without worrying about the Geneva Convention or US laws. How many other people have died that we don't even know about?

"Army, CIA Agreed on Ghost Prisoners" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25239-2005Mar10.html

[izzybeans]

21. Thanks for the catch.

The spin is all about the photos which I think are directing attention away from the content of the photos, which show undocumented prisoners, implicating multiple government agencies in torture and murder. This is horrible and they are trying to gloss over it, by saying the "pictures" tell us nothing new.

Thanks again. The ghost prisoner thing just adds to the story.

[killbotfactory]

The fits hitting the shan

this stuff is uncensored, even.

[The Witch]

20. oh my god.

:puke:

Get these bastards out of office, out of our military, out of our country. my conscience hurts.

:cry:

[darkmaestro019]

52. off our PLANET. (nt)

[Oilwellian]

22. It appears Salon has released only a 17 add'l photos

Do they plan to eventually release all of it? God help us if they do.

[cyberpj]

23. The photos are horrific enough - God help us when video w/sound gets out.

The the events that Seymour Hersh spoke of well over a year ago will become believable to a doubtful America.

Maybe THEN Bush can be held responsible and tried for WAR CRIMES along with Gonzo and his other pals.

[derby378]

27. Brace yourselves, folks...

The worst is still yet to come.

[shanti]

55. yes, i believe that you are right

the women and children...:grr:

[Shakespeare]

24. And THIS is why I'm a devoted Salon subscriber.

Because every once in awhile, when it's really important, they rear up and show that they have bigger balls than any of the traditional media outlets. This is one of the best examples EVER of why they deserve our support.

[gardenista]

34. I'm renewing today.

I let it lapse because I was too busy, but you are right. Whether I have time to read it every day or every month, it is worth supporting Salon.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Oh, man- it's about frigging time.

The Admin. and DoD made pefectly clear that they intend to play infinite amts. of stalling games on this crap.

[MsKandice01]

26. Why are they always naked?!?!?

What kind of sick, twisted, sadistic shit is this??

[bobbieinok]

37. Nazis used nudity in concentration camps--it strips prisoners of

their sense of self, of identity, of self worth

I believe there is a record of Nazis forcing women musicians in a concentration camp to give concerts nude

[Meldread]

43. That's an easy question to answer.

Because it strips them of their dignity. It forces them into submission. It kills their self-worth.

They force them to do simulated sex acts with other prisoners for similar reasons. There are also homophobic reasons behind it, because being gay is often associated with being "dirty, shameful and evil". The Military is pretty anti-gay so there shouldn't shouldn't come as a huge shock.

[saigon68]

63. THE NAZI THUG MILITARY IN ACTION

ALL THESE FUCKERS WILL GET AWAY WITH THE

1. Murder of POW's

2. The torture of prisoners

3. The anal rapes of young boys.

4. Using Dogs to obtain confessions



The lamps are going out all over Europe; we shall not see them lit again in this century.
Sir Edward Grey, 3 August 1914 (Trenches)

[Katherine Brengle]

28. I am ashamed to be an American... I never thought I would have to say

that...

I am heartbroken that my government would allow this to happen.

[sellitman]

46. Allow it?

They authored it.

They ordered it.

They invented it.

May they rot in hell!!!!

[MikeStl]

30. Feel a bit numb after seeing these

I am not sure if I am more shocked and disturbed by the photos or by the comments posted on Salon defending the photos

[hobbit709]

31. "A few bad apples" my ass

This could only have been condoned from the top down. The whole (mis)administration should be in the dock at The Hague. There is absolutely no reason-ethically, morally or legally- for this to have been done to human beings whose only crime was to live in a country we invaded on a series of pretexts. This is no different than what Hitler's SS did. One day these bastards will be held accountable-if not in this world, then the next.

[hiley]

32. felt that I must look & absorb what we have done to others

i have so much shame for what my Country has & is doing.

[malaise]

38. These is sickening

Bushco is as bad as Hitler.

[FatDave]

40. These are in no way "the entirety"

Shocking as these pictures at Salon are, they are a completely different set than what appeared in the SBS Dateline story. There was also more on the program than the other batch of photos released yesterday.

Everybody really needs to see the full Dateline report. Here are torrent links:

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/15/new_abu_ghraib_tortu.html - Just the Abu Ghraib segment (88M, MP4 format)
http://ts.searching.com/torrent/538362/SBS_Dateline_New_Abu_Ghraib_photos_Syriana_TVRip_d0x - Full Dateline episode (350M, AVI format)

If you're new to BitTorrent, here's a guide (links to other guides and software at the bottom of page):

http://www.bileduct.com/guides/bittorrent.html

Everybody needs to get, keep, and spread copies of this stuff.

[redacted]

48. Much faster and easier way to watch the report here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x437770

although video quality will not be as good as BitTorrent.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

74. If you read the Salon article,

they have obtained what they believe to be a DVD containing "the entiriety". However they are only displaying a dozen or so new images.

----------

(...)

"The DVD containing the material includes a June 6, 2004, CID investigation report written by Special Agent James E. Seigmund. That report includes the following summary of the material included: "A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."

The photographs we are showing in the accompanying gallery represent a small fraction of these visual materials. None, as far as we know, have been published elsewhere. They include: a naked, handcuffed prisoner in a contorted position; a dead prisoner who had been severely beaten; a prisoner apparently sodomizing himself with an object; and a naked, hooded prisoner standing next to an American officer who is blandly writing a report against a wall. Other photographs depict a bloody cell.

The DVD also includes photographs of guards threatening Iraqi prisoners with dogs, homemade videotapes depicting hooded prisoners being forced to masturbate, and a video showing a mentally disturbed prisoner smashing his head against a door. Oddly, the material also includes numerous photographs of slaughtered animals and mundane images of soldiers traveling around Iraq.

Accompanying texts from the CID investigation provide fairly detailed explanations for many of the photographs, including dates and times and the identities of both Iraqis and Americans. Based on time signatures of the digital cameras used, all the photographs and videos were taken between Oct. 18, 2003, and Dec. 30, 2003."

(...)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/16/abu_ghraib/index.html

[FatDave]

78. Doh!

I stand corrected. I should really look into this "reading the article" business.

Hopefully they'll release the DVD. The world needs to know.

[Trevelyan]

77. Yes, leave copies inside your grocery basket or on benches in Malls.

http://www.CagePrisoners.com is trying to help the helpless prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere. Please visit site and participate in actions to protest this horror.

Write To The Forgotten Detainees
It takes little imagination to visualise life in a prison. The confined cell, the bare walls, the silence, and most of all, the feeling of isolation. Many have no family members in the UK and as a result they have become despondent and desperate. In one case, a detainee was actually seeking permission from a scholar to commit suicide until he began to receive letters from the public, which renewed his desire and motivation to live.

It is not enough that we feel sorry for what they are going through. It is not enough that we shed a few tears when we sit and think about what they are experiencing. Nor is it enough that we lay back and wait for others to take on the responsibility of reaching out to them.

We must not fail them at this critical time. We must hasten to comfort them, and support them at a time when they need us most. We must write letters that give them hope, help strengthen them and motivate them to persevere in remaining patient. We must be their link to the outside world, a link that shows that they have not been forgotten.

Such letter-writing campaigns have proved to be hugely successful – with the 8 Belmarsh detainees receiving 60 letters each in the week that the campaign was first launched and with Babar Ahmad receiving over 50 letters in his first week in prison.

Therefore we urge you all to make it a regular practice to write to at least one prisoner a week and to encourage all your family members and friends to do the same. The letters can be as short as a paragraph, preferably written in your own handwriting as it is more personal, or if you do not have time to write a letter, you can buy a set of 'Thinking of You' cards. The content of the letters should be encouraging them to be patient, reminding them to have hope and that they have not been forgotten. This should not take more than half an hour and should not cost you more than £3. However, it may give hope to a prisoner for whom half an hour is like half a year.

Simple messages of goodwill are enough. Never advance your political opinion or discuss politics at all. Clearly state the prisoner number otherwise the card will not reach the intended recipient. In some cases, the names of prisoners are withheld for legal reasons.For more information on why you should write and for ideas on what to write, click here. If you have included your name and address (preferably a stamped addressed envelope) it is probable that the prisoners will write back to you and you can find out exactly what their situation is like inside. If you still prefer not to leave your name and address, then please write to them anyway.

Please ensure that the prisoner addresses are written exactly as they appear below.

PRISONER ADDRESSES UK

Detainee Z
c/o Chantel Fenton
Birnberg Peirce & Partners
14 Inverness Street
London
NW1 7HJ

HMP BELMARSH

(Note: the detainees cannot receive books, tapes, clothes etc; money can help prisoners buying extra food and other items but should be sent via special delivery)

Saajid Badat JG9199
HMP Belmarsh
Western Way
Thamesmead
London SE28 OEB

Dhiren Barot NB5353
HMP Belmarsh
Western Way
Thamesmead
London SE28 0EB

Mohammad Bhatti MX5483
HMP Belmarsh
Western Way
Thamesmead
London SE28 0EB

Hedi Boudhiba LL4587 (letters should be in French or Arabic only)
HMP Belmarsh
Western Way
Thamesmead
London
SE28 OEB
More names from Belmarsh which is Britain's Guantanamo Bay and there is torture there and several other sites in the UK have addresses to write prisoners.

GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA

Prisoner name (see prisoner gallery profiles)
Camp Delta
P.O. Box 160
Washington DC 20053
USA

NOTE: Individuals should note that while we have had it confirmed from one of the US lawyers who has visited Guantanamo, that the US government do allow mail from non-family members, all mail is subject to extreme delays as well as censors. There is a strong possibility that the JTF in Guantanamo will withhold letters for up to a year or longer, or that the detainees may never receive your letter. Only one released detainee we spoke to has received mail from non-relatives, in spite of many having been sent. The US is believed to be clamping down on mail particularly, of late. However, letter-writing can be considered a protest action, as it sends a strong message to the US administration that the world has not forgotten the prisoners in Guantanamo, but rather is immensely concerned about what is
occuring in Cuba:cry:

[Meldread]

41. I forced myself to look at them all.

It is horrible, but I think everyone should be forced to look at them especially those who still supported Bush or who supported him in 2004!! I am glad Salon is posting them unmodified - everyone should be forced to see just how horrible these acts are. I hope Salon posts them all, along with the videos. America NEEDS to see.

Although, I do find it disturbing that some Freepers out there are probably getting turned on looking at them. Sick bastards.

[BelgianMadCow]

44. I see only 19 images?

wtf

[Maven]

45. Salon letters page is getting freeped.

It's unbelievable...even in the face of photographic evidence of such unspeakable evil, the faithful still defend the unthinkable. One poster said something to effect that he had seen worse personally. Another said that Salon should have published stills from the Nick Berg decapitation video for "balance."

Thankfully, they're in the minority. Yet, I'm simply in shock. Every time I think I've seen just how low these human filth can sink, they surprise me again.

:argh:

[MisterP]

57. it is not only the human capacity for denial that is infinite, but also

the capacity for making excuses and pretexts

[kpete]

47. Kos has the video

(Kpete:I tried to transfer the link but could not so you will need to go to Kos and get it. Maybe someone else will have more luck)

SBS Dateline Austrailia - Abu Ghraib Video Link
by reflectionsv37
Thu Feb 16, 2006 at 04:30:18 PM PDT
First, let me apologize for the one line diary entry. I had not seen this anywhere here and thought it would be of interest and want to make sure it gets as much exposure as possible before it disappears.

Here. is a link to the transcript from the February 15th SBS Dateline program and you can watch the entire 14 minute video of the program Here.

Perhaps there is someone here who can capture this video in the advent it gets scrubbed from view.

To say the least, it is outrageous and disgusting!!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/16/183018/550

If this has already been posted, please advise and I'll delete the diary.

[redacted]

72. More direct route to video:

http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=archive&daysum=2006-02-15


Video, images and some audio are disturbing; children should leave the room before you play this clip.

14 minutes, RealPlayer broadband (225 k/sec).

[Mist]

49. I will NEVER, NEVER forgive those who have brought such shame

on my country. They have criminally distorted our culture. They have criminally distorted what it means to be American. I hold accountable EVERYONE who had anything to do with this, right up the entire chain of command. And for what? For what? How is this "keeping us safe"??? We are certainly not safe with people like this in power, condoning,and creating,this evil. There can be no forgiveness for this, EVER.

[darkmaestro019]

50. Fantastic. You absolutely evil utter MORONS.

"A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."

You fking IDIOTS. You are SO UTTERLY fked. You may have been able to argue down six or a dozen pictures as "isolated incidents" and blame some brainless low-ranked dolts before, let's see you try that with this gigantic SLEW of proof of your evil.

(whips out Calculator) 2835 isolated incidents?

Why for the love of Hell would you FILM all this? Is it that thing they theorize about really sloppy serial killers--the wish to be caught? Or was it flat arrogance? Or was it the same reason such serial killers take little trophies....so they can later relive the crimes for their own personal enjoyment?

Congratulations. How many dark-beige people who see this HUGE ARCHIVE of American evil are gonna become "terrorists" do you think? Fantastic job! Winning hearts and minds--by going straight through the skull or chest to get at them!

[kpete]

51. video

http://bradblog.com/video/flvplayer/FlvPlayer.html?file=http://www.wakahiru-me.com/media/vid/misc/sbs_dateline_abu_ghraib_060215a_160_360x200.flv&width=360&height=200

[marmar]

53. That's some sick shit...

I could only get thru five of them before I had to close that page...

I've had just about all I can take from Bush's America.

[Trevelyan]

56. I am glad that the Abu Ghraib victims, like the victims of Nazi Germany

are having their deaths and unspeakable suffering made known. The savage British beatings of young teenagers released on video last week is also important and I hope it will help to stop this Nazi torture of innocent people.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1610072

Blair Vows Probe of Alleged Abuse in Iraq

http://www.WitnessToTorture.com
http://www.CagePrisoners.com
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/notorture

http://www.tellthetruthabouttorture.org/
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp
http://ga4.org/campaign/prisonerabuse?
http://www.supportmpscapegoats.com/

[darkmaestro019]

62. I wish that it would stop it...unfortunately,

I think it will of course lead to violence in retribution which will lead the arrogant fucks that have commandeered America to justify FURTHER violence and torture and war and conquest to "defend" themselves from the mysteriously intractible non-whites.

(.....mourns....for all of us Earthlings...)

[Trevelyan]

58. Cheney was at one of the secret rendition camps participating in the

torture in Poland before he went to the memorial for the victims of the Nazi camps where Cheney was infamously dressed for fishing not a memorial because he did not have time to change because he was having so much fun torturing helpless prisoners the way he likes to shoot tame birds en mass.

[Trevelyan]

59. The very young American soldiers forced to participate in this horror

are being selected for bush/cheney Gestapo in the "Homeland" aka Faderland.

[Trevelyan]

61. Gen. Karpinski rightly said that she knows that Lynne England did not come

from rural WV with a dog leash and collar packed. This torture has been routinely practiced by the CIA in South and Central America and our country and Canada on children in the MK-ULTRA programs that were subject of Senate Hearing in 1977 by Sen. Church and Sen. Kennedy. Anyone who talks about the Arabs deserving this because they want to kill American soldiers should be given links for MK_ULTRA.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/140206criminalsyndicate.htm

=Congresswoman Says America Run By Criminal Syndicate
McKinney: American citizens could be put in forced labor camps February 14 2006

Cynthia McKinney, the only House Representative to stand up to the Bush White House crime syndicate, has gone further than ever before in her efforts to warn people about what the Neo-Cons' ultimate goals actually entail for freedom in America.

During a recent radio interview on the Alex Jones Show, McKinney illustrated the nature of a corrupt occupational government, stating that the administration was "stolen in 2000 and stolen again in 2004." McKinney said that it was doing the government a favor to describe them as a "criminal syndicate."

"It appears to me that our country is literally being hollowed out....our economy is being hollowed out," said McKinney...

[Higans]

65. How many will be deleted?

How many of us know the truth? It's getting really hard to sift through all these truths and call them theory isn't it? They better get those camps built fast, cause they are gonna have to put the entire American population in them. Bush has tagged bloggers as terrorist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420629

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x71109

[lostexpectation]

68. Photos disgust whole world not just Islamoland

Im looking at us newsite and they havn't reported it yet, look at this report from abcnews, it describes wednesday photos as merely "more of the same"???

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1626378

And the crucial thing that I see is that it said "when the first batch of photos were released they caused anger in the Islamic world"? eh they caused a hell of alot of anger and disgust all the overworld!!, its not just about islamoland?

[darkmaestro019]

69. uh oh! you said MK-ULTRA which clearly means

that ANYTHING you have said before, during, after, or ever, is clearly insane rambling and "conspiracy theories" and should be ignored in toto. (wipes sarcasm off his chin)

[Nothing Without Hope]

66. ***Additional threads - from Feb 14 and an LBN thread on Salon & Guardian:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x413946
thread title (2-14-06 GD): 60 Previously Unpublished Photos From Abu Ghraib To be Broadcast
Comment/excerpt: “Tonight the SBS Dateline program plans to broadcast about 60 previously unpublished photographs that the US Government has been fighting to keep secret in a court case with the American Civil Liberties Union.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2109108
thread title (2-14-06 LBN): The photos America doesn't want seen (60 new Abu Ghraib pics, Aussie TV)
Comment/excerpt: “Some of the photos are similar to those published in 2004, others are different. They include photographs of six corpses, although the circumstances of their deaths are not clear. There are also pictures of what appear to be burns and wounds from shotgun pellets.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x424489
thread title (2-14-06 GD): feature prisoners in sexually humiliating acts that are deemed too graphic
Comment/excerpt: “Executive producer Mike Carey says Dateline obtained a file of hundreds of pictures, some that have been seen before and others that show new abuses.”

And a Feb 16 LBN thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2112727
thread title (2-16-06 LBN): Salon obtains 'all' photos, other evidence of Abu Ghraib abuses
Comment/excerpt: “One day after an Australian TV network aired more photos of abuses that occurred in 2003 at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the online magazine Salon reveals it has obtained "more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army's probe, (which) may represent all of the photographic and video evidence" that the Army has collected during its ongoing internal investigation of the scandal. According to Salon, "the files, from the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID), include hundreds of images that have never been publicly released." It says the evidence was obtained from "someone who spent time at Abu Ghraib as a uniformed member of the military and is familiar with the CID investigation.”

Note that Reply #38 in the Feb 16 LBN thread cites an article in the Guardian (UK):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2112727&mesg_id=2114593
Reply #38: Holy cow!!! 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse
Comment/excerpt: Article in the Guardian (UK): http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1711844,00.html
“Abu Ghraib leaked report reveals full extent of abuse
· 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse
· 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse
· 660 images of adult pornography
· 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees
· 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts”

[Clara T]

67. Eyes Wide Open n/t

[DearAbby]

70. SHAME & ANGER ......I feel at this moment

God Damn you for doing this to my country...GOD DAMN YOU!








Sorry for those that may find that offensive, in my DU Family.

[upi402]

71. oh my god

not my country anymore

this was directed from higher ups.

this was out in the open, and obviously ok'd

[Trevelyan]

75. Gen. Karpinski also said that Rumsfeld's orders on how to torture

were posted in a public area of Abu Ghraib.

[upi402]

79. There should be a record of that

shouldn't there be?