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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:57 PM
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Cheney lies again about why there was a big delay in releasing the story.
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 06:59 PM by FormerRepublican
First he says:

"THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, my first reaction, Brit, was not to think: I need to call the press. My first reaction is: My friend, Harry, has been shot and we've got to take care of him. That evening there were other considerations. We wanted to make sure his family was taken care of. His wife was on the ranch. She wasn't with us when it happened, but we got her hooked up with the ambulance on the way to the hospital with Harry. He has grown children; we wanted to make sure they were notified, so they didn't hear on television that their father had been shot. And that was important, too.

But we also didn't know what the outcome here was going to be. We didn't know for sure what kind of shape Harry was in. We had preliminary reports, but they wanted to do a CAT scan, for example, to see how -- whether or not there was any internal damage, whether or not any vital organ had been penetrated by any of the shot. We did not know until Sunday morning that we could be confident that everything was probably going to be okay."

THEN he says:

"Q When did the family -- when had the family been informed? About what time?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, his wife -- his wife knew as he was leaving the ranch --

Q Right, what about his children?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: I didn't make the calls to his children, so I don't know exactly when those contacts were made. One of his daughters had made it to the hospital by the next day when I visited. But one of the things I'd learned over the years was first reports are often wrong and you need to really wait and nail it down. And there was enough variation in the reports we were getting from the hospital, and so forth -- a couple of people who had been guests at the ranch went up to the hospital that evening; one of them was a doctor, so he obviously had some professional capabilities in terms of being able to relay messages. But we really didn't know until Sunday morning that Harry was probably going to be okay, that it looked like there hadn't been any serious damage to any vital organ. And that's when we began the process of notifying the press."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/15/AR2006021502005.html

So, first he makes excuses that he was too busy to let the press know what was going on because he was busy notifying the family, then he says he wasn't involved in notifying the family. Which is it, Lying Dick?

He also says they didn't want to talk to the press because they thought the injury was only superficial (which is what they told them press anyway - 24 HOURS LATER!).

Cheney's interview is nothing but a tissue of lies. :puke:

He's hiding something.

The 'eyewitness' lie regarding Armstrong is also a DIRECT QUOTE:

"THE VICE PRESIDENT: I said Karl has hunted at the Armstrong, as well, and we're both good friends of the Armstrongs and of Katherine Armstrong. And Katherine suggested, and I agreed, that she would go make the announcement, that is that she'd put the story out. And I thought that made good sense for several reasons. First of all, she was an eye-witness. She'd seen the whole thing. Secondly, she'd grown up on the ranch, she'd hunted there all of her life. Third, she was the immediate past head of the Texas Wildlife and Parks Department, the game control commission in the state of Texas, an acknowledged expert in all of this"

He claims she was an eyewitness and "She'd seen the whole thing", yet she claims the first thing she saw was everyone running and that she thought Clicky Dick had a heart attack.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Edit to add: Cheney says: "THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, who is going to do that? Are they going to take my word for what happened? There is obviously --" That's the most truthful thing Cheney says in the whole interview. And the reason WHY we don't believe you, Click, is because you're LYING!!!
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:00 PM
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1. Too bad it wasn't the other way around.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:01 PM
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2. Dick's a liar. A pathological liar...
What a wonderful legacy he will leave...

Peace.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:01 PM
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3. I agree. The victim was not a friend of Cheney's. They barely knew each
other, traveled in the same circles but had just met for the first time face to face and Harry Whittington wasn't a hunter and had just gotten his license.

"Last time Cheney was in the news for hunting, he was with Scalia, when Scalia would be ruling on Cheney's case re: whether or not to release documents related to the Energy Task Force.

Harry Whittington has just racked up a few court wins re: imminent domain:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/01/28harry.html "
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:08 PM
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4. His first thought was to figure out
how to get out of doing a breathilizer. I truly believe that he would have never admitted to having a beer at lunch if it weren't for the alcohol comment that was scrubbed from the MSNBC website that the blogs were on to it. He has a history of TWO DUI's, so that clearly shows that he has been very irresponsible with alcohol in the past. Libby had fingered him that week. I KNOW THAT HE WAS DRUNK AS A SKUNK WHEN HE SHOT THAT POOR MAN WHO JUMPED IN FRONT OF THAT GUN WEARING AN ORANGE VEST AND HAT. They sent away the law because he had arranged to meet with authorities the next AM, when the alcohol would have been out of his system. Then they minimized the victim's symptoms and blamed him for it.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:14 PM
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5. If he was so concerned...
Whythehell didn't he deputize some of his staff to make the notification calls and then go to the hospital with Whittington HIMSELF?
That strikes me as the normal reaction to just having caused a fairly serious injury to a friend.
The hospital would have made him both comfortable and private until he found out the prognosis...
instead he goes back to the ranch and 'sits down to dinner'.
Hope his appetite wasn't too badly affected...
:puke:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:28 PM
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6. Salon -- "Cheney and his 'Witness'" == huge inconsistencies
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/02/15/story/index.html

worth watching the commercial to read

<snip>

Armstrong told the Houston Chronicle that shooting victim Harry Whittington was "bruised more than bloodied" and that his "pride was hurt more than anything else." Cheney said that Whittington was "laying there on his back" and "obviously bleeding" after the shooting. Armstrong said that Whittington was "talking immediately" after he was hit. Cheney said that Whittington didn't respond when he first tried to talk to him.

Although Armstrong told a different story later, she initially told CNN that "she did not believe the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press." Cheney said that he talked with Armstrong about her plan to break the news to a local reporter and "thought it made good sense."

Cheney said he liked the idea of having Armstrong tell the story because she was a former head of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department -- "an acknowledged expert in all this" -- and because she was a "witness" who had "seen the whole thing" happen.

That's how Armstrong initially passed herself off, too, telling the Corpus Christi Caller-Times that Whittington had fallen behind the hunting party and was approaching from 30 yards behind when Cheney, tracking a bird that took off in front of him, turned and shot in Whittington's direction. But it now seems that Armstrong may not have witnessed the incident at all. According to the Washington Post, Armstrong was in a vehicle about 100 yards away when the shooting happened. And she told the Associated Press that when she saw Cheney's medical detail running toward the scene, "the first thing that crossed my mind was he had a heart problem."

<snip>
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:28 PM
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7. "then he says he wasn't involved in notifying the family. Which is it.."
You are reaching there.
From what you quoted, first he said:
"we wanted to make sure they were notified"
then he said:
"I didn't make the calls to his children"

There's nothing inconsistent in that.

So, first he makes excuses that he was too busy to let the press know what was going on because he was busy notifying the family,
He didn't say "he" was busy notifying the family.


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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:07 PM
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9. Well, if he wasn't busy notifying the family (since the question as to...
...why the delay was being asked), then he was available to talk to the press. So which is it?
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:10 PM
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10. good grief.
you've GOT to be kidding.
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:33 PM
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8. Cheney was lying because the shooting was intentional
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:15 PM
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11. yeah I think he's lying about the reason for the delay
--there may well have been alcohol and the omission of hunter Pamela W in any news source is suspicious -- but it seems to me the no. 1 reason was that they didn't know if Harry was going to die immediately or not. And that would have called for major damage control.
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