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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:39 PM
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USDA Plans to Make Livestock Owners Register Every Animal in DataBase AND
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 05:39 PM by Clara T


Attention Organic And Local Food Consumers, Livestock And Horse Owners:

The USDA plans to make every owner of even one horse, cow, pig, goat, sheep, chicken, or pigeon register in a government database and subject their property and animals to constant federal and state government surveillance, and the animal owner will have to PAY for the privilege of owning animals! To learn more about the ramifications of this Government decree and how it will affect everyone, not just farmers and animal owners, navigate our site and visit our forum.

The National Animal Identification System (NAIS) is a national program to identify and track livestock animals, including poultry, horses, cattle, goats and sheep for the purpose of disease containment. NAIS plans to use RFID and GPS technology to track animals, and requires every farm or “premises” be registered with government agencies, even if that premises houses a single animal. While NAIS’s purported goal of disease containment appears to be beneficial, the requirement for American citizens to register privately-owned property for tracking and monitoring purposes has very serious implications for our privacy, rights and freedoms.

StopAnimalID.org is the online manifestation of a grass roots refusal to submit to the latest grasping for control of what was once a government of We The People, but has now become a government of Them, The Agri-Conglomerates. This website is a means for like-minded individuals to band together and discover they are not alone in opposing this abuse of privacy and property rights.

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But to succeed StopAnimalID.org needs the particpation of every single Citizen of these United States who still values freedom and the use of their private and personal property, not to mention their own privacy. Whether you own livestock or not your help is needed. We must have your participation, contribution and effort to succeed in spreading the word, raising consciousness and empowering this movement. Join the fight today. This may be one of the biggest issues of your life.

http://stopanimalid.org/
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:40 PM
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1. Hooray for small gov't.!
Whatever happened to it, I wonder? It's bigger than ever.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:43 PM
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2. When I was a kid my dad had to tag the ears of our cows. Is
this different than that was. I used to feel sorry for the cows!!
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:52 PM
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6. Oh yes very different
It is another means of gov't tracking and controlling farmers practices (and as usual affects those whose practices are generally the most animal friendly) and also gaining access to the farmers property for whatever reasons they decide are valid. It also adds another cost to an already squeezed small farmer and as these costs escalate puts more pressure on the farmers driving them out in a thousand different ways.

Vote this up and more importantly call the USDA to voice your disapproval.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:48 PM
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3. Is this the same USDA that threatened a farmer for testing each cow?
and promoting the fact that they all tested healthy?
Is this the same USDA that refused to even acknowledge that a cow that cannot stand on its own might be too sick for humans to eat?
Is this the same USDA that promised japan that no spinal or nerve matter would ever be shipped, then turned around and CANCELLED THE BLOODY TESTING PROGRAM?
That USDA?

Run by Bushistas, disorganized by Bushistas and poisoning the US by Bushistas.

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:48 PM
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4. No way would I register my horse for this program.
Cotton gets a yearly rabies vaccination and Coggins test from the vet. I'm sure that the vaccination and test results are on file with the vet.
She has a microchip from the breed association with whom she's registered. What I do with my horse and where I take her is my business.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:52 PM
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Double post
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 05:52 PM by AngryAmish
I'm an idiot.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:52 PM
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5. I don't see how this is so bad
I would like to know where every diseased cow came from. I could see how chickens could be more troublesome but with bar codes I think it could be done.

It will raise the cost for a small producer-- howevr for organic and local foods folks they can say "Listen. you can figure out where that steak was every step of the way."
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:58 PM
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9. From Wendell Berry
Quote from Wendell Berry in “the Unsettling of America” written 30 years ago :
“And nowhere now is there a market for minor produce: a bucket of cream, a hen, a few dozen eggs. One cannot sell milk from a few cows anymore; the law-required equipment is too expensive. Those markets were done away with in the name of sanitation–but, of course, to the enrichment of the large producers. We have always had to have ‘a good reason’ for doing away with small operators, and in modern times the good reason has often been sanitation, for which there is apparently no small or cheap technology. Future historians will no doubt remark upon the inevitable association, with us, between sanitation and filthy lucre. And it is one of the miracles of science and hygiene that the germs that used to be in our food have been replaced by poisons.”

Would like to add more but I must be going. Beware of Trojan Horses.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:59 PM
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10. Because it is big business and big brother (govt)
controling and driving the small guy (competition) out of business in the name of "SAFETY" (sound familiar?)

All the food safety regs that you as a consumer think are for your benefit are in all truth used to keep small farmers from competing with the mega businesses. Do you have any idea how hard it is for me as an individual to sell you some wholesome clean organic raised meat? And how easy it is for Foster "Farms" to sell you bacteria-laden, water-filled, "chicken"?
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:57 PM
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16. The problem is really that it should be limited to commercial trade.
My horses are for my own use. I shouldn't have to register with the government for that. My goats are my lawnmowers, I shouldn't have to register with the government for that either. My chickens are primarily for personal use...I eat their eggs and take some of the adolescent fryers for meat. All personal use. The only time livestock leaves my property is for vet trips and the occasional chick giveaway (chickens can occasionally be prolific, so I give chicks away to friends, family, and the local FFA sometimes).

Now that I think about it, I don't see how this can be constitutional. The federal governments authority in agricultural matters stems from the commerce clause. If there's no commerce, I don't see how they can constitutionally mandate this. As far as I can tell, this should be a state matter.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:53 AM
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19. There is a case on point on this
It is the broadest possible reading of the commerce clause. Essentially it Supreme Court said the gov't can regulate crops grown from seed from a farm and consumed on a farm. I think.

I agree that you should not be regulated since you are not selling anything.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:54 PM
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7. Another big gov't program that would have zero compliance...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:55 PM
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8. I need to know more. Finally trying to track Mad Cow disease for real?
Up to this point the Ag Dept has not been doing much in the way of prevention and tracking of sick cattle to keep them out of the food chain, which is why I no longer eat beef. In fact, as far as I can tell Bushco has FEMA-ized the USDA (I have a friend who works there, a career civil servant, not a political appointee).

Any ideas Bushco comes up with are automatically suspect, but I would welcome anything that actually made sense and got the right job done.

Hekate
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:28 PM
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12. More likely getting us ready for Genetically Modified animals.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:07 AM
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20. Ignore the gibberish.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:10 PM
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11. Would the department track dead animals until they are eaten?
Do you realize how many chickens are raised and slaughtered every year? How can you tell them apart? And little pigs? When we had them, there were always little baby pigs dying practically every day. Many times the sow rolled over on them. Sometimes, the sow would eat the dead baby pigs. We assumed that they ate them. Or they may have wandered off and died somewhere else. Same with chickens. We didn't nail their feet to the floor. They ranged all over the farm. Same with guinea fowl.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:35 PM
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13. Even ONE? So folks who have livestock for their PERSONAL use
would have to comply? I can sort of maybesee it for livestock that is for the MASS PUBLIC market (like Tysons or Perdue, etc) but absolutely not for private use.

As for pigeons... why bother with them at all? If they're going to ID owners of pidgeons I think they should have to inspect every pidgeon in ever city, suburb, etc. If they're going to do it for safety then they should make sure that ALL pidgeons are safe right? So to set a good example the head of the USDA and BUSH should climb out on a few hundred of the tallest skyscrapers ledges and make sure the pideons roosting there are healthy.

Sorry but although I can see why some would think this is a good idea to me overall it's just plain foolish the way it's being proposed. There are already many safeguards for food in this country that are circumvented or blown off. Maybe they should try enforcing a few rules that already exist with the big conglomorate farms as a good starting point especially after the last tray of chicken breasts I just bought. The more I see of the chicken and meats comingout of our grocery store the more I wish we could afford to buy organic. With chicken breasts the same size or bigger then an average woman's I think they're using just a bit too many steriods in the feed.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:07 PM
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17. Yes it said even one.
I see no other reason for this other than it will be used to solidify the stitching of the electronic straight-jacket. They have big plans in the near future and those include forcing you to come to them for ALL forms of sustenance.
They need to eliminate all forms self sufficiency. They will use this legislation
to be able to raid the subjects who are in non-compliance and use it to seize properties just like the drug laws. When everything crash, only certain elites will have the "get out of jail free" card. Everyone else will be forced to get the feudal card/chip, or risk being imprisoned and starved. Look for solar panels and windmills to be the subject of similar proposals in the near future, they've already started with water wells.

tho shalt not kill the king's fauna under penalty of death
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:50 PM
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14. I don't freaking think so.
They can kiss my @55 if they think I'm going to pay for the "privledge" of owning my chickens, goats, and two horses (goats are the worlds best lawnmowers by the way). I can't wait to tell my nutjob survivalist Freeper neighbor about this...he has about 150 chickens in his yard and is a 100% genuine tin foil hatter (some of you may remember my post about him shooting his house a couple months ago because he thought a wild pigeon was going to give them bird flu).
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:54 PM
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15. Kicked, and recommended for 'Greatest' page...
This is to stop organic farming and force the owners of the livestock to poison their animals with the corpora-terrorists' deadly vaccines and chemicals.

I will link http://stopanimalid.org/ to the CLG links page.

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:09 PM
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18. kick n/t
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