Folks. PREPARE Yourselves For The ABRAMOFF Scandal. It Will Be MASSIVE

[matcom]

Was talking to a 'person' tonight. Let me just say that you need to BE PREPARED! This COULD bring down Congress.

(not in a good OR bad way but you REALLY need to realize what this COULD mean)

This MIGHT be the biggest thing to hit this government since Watergate (maybe BIGGER)

Just be ready. Again, this is NOT a Dem vs Repug thing (necessarily)

Know what you are dealing with here and UNDERSTAND IT.

i'm just sayin'.

[Taverner]

1. God I hope so...

Of course with change comes instability...death within birth...

[faithnotgreed]

102. right on taverner

birth within death sounds ideal (just to be specific about what im pulling for)
get the lot of the rotten ones out
i dont care what they call themselves lets just get the truth

[bpilgrim]

113. then he is probably a dead man walking

remember who we are dealing with.

i'm just saying...

peace

[closeupready]

2. Not to be negative, but where have we heard this before?

We'll see.

[matcom]

6. nope. this is NOT a partisan 'scandal'

seriously. NOT saying a bunch of DEMS are involved. (this is WAY past that)

this isn't what you might think. this is NOT about 'tipping balance'

this is VERY DEEP

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. Does this mean that the public

will finally learn the truth about who and what has been behind most of the bad things that have happened since the early 60's?

[cry baby]

25. You must spill a little more info!!!!!

[Matariki]

28. say, could you be a little less obtuse

why do you put 'person' in 'quotes'? are you trying to imply you know someone 'in the know'?

what do you mean it's not about 'tipping balance, this is very deep'?

[MadisonProgressive]

30. Hint hint...

Help me out here!

[Terre]

65. Well gee

could you get anymore cryptic?

I already know it's gonna be (IS) big.

Could you possibly drop anymore hints? :::hint, hint:::

[pat_k]

106. Sure it is: The fascists vs. the anti-fascists

This most definitely IS a partisan scandal:

the fascists vs. the anti-fascists

the robber barons vs. those that seek to represent the people

the plutocrats vs. the democrats

[Carni]

172. You mean 911 we have been taken over deep?

I knew that awhile ago and if that is what your source told you I agree--

What we are about to go through will not be a funfest IMO

[SmokingJacket]

108. Not from Matcom, though. He doesn't cry wolf much.

I'm sitting up and taking notice.

[meganmonkey]

110. Yep.

I'll second that.

Makes me a little nervous :hide:

[Carni]

173. me too--we're fucked

In the three years I have been a DU member I have never seen such a post from him...and even worse I suspected as much from my own surmisings :(

[spanone]

3. If so, it's about time. IMHO

[DanCa]

4. Happy New Year Chimp

And I bet you were so happy that 2005 is over.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. Will this start the coming civil war that repukes keep blabbing about?

[matcom]

7. if the media does it's job.....

worse

[Sagan]

12. oh,well.. in that case, no worries...

If this depends on the media doing its job, then I don't see any reason to fret.

[Algorem]

83. they'll smooth it over like Skippy on Wonder Bread

[leftupnorth]

21. aww, you can't tease like that

you have to spill it! c'mon!!

what's worse than a civil war?
a war against the rest of us waged by the rich?

[sam sarrha]

35. thats why they dis the French, ..they really knew how to throw a revolution

:popcorn: :rofl:

[FreedomAngel82]

55. If that's the case

than boy am I going to be full on popcorn. :crazy:

[Ladyhawk]

85. Isn't "a war against us waged by the rich" already happening?

OK, it isn't a "hot" war, but the poor are getting poorer and losing rights, including the right to life. We saw that in New Orleans. That was so sick I tried to put it out of my mind, but here it is again, reminding me that George Bush (and Congress) don't care about poor people

[pat_k]

120. Turn complaint into action

"They" are failing us. It's is up to us to do whatever we can to hold their feet to the fire.

(In this case, "They" are the media, but "They" could be any institution or person you expect to expose and prevent corruption and injustice)

We have mouths. We can tell the truth. Small actions can move mountains, often in ways you never see. Every person you talk to -- friends and family, acquaintances and neighbors -- can kick off a chain of events that moves mountains.

They will try to pretend it is all very complex. Too complex for this likes of us ordinary people. It is up to us to say

"Oh, no. It is NOT complex."

"They are crooks."

"They are out for themselves, not us. They belong in jail, not Congress."

"We don't have to stand for this, and I for one am not going to."

[Tuesday_Morning]

154. well said Pat K

Thanks.

[Jawja]

139. Well,

"Hardball" was on it tonight in a big way, depicting Abramoff as Michael Corlene and openly saying he looks like a mafia boss. Also implicated Ralph Reed. That's SWEET, indeed.

[cantstandbush]

148. But wasn't some of the media also Abramoff buds?

[Auntie Bush]

160. ((((((((((((((( WHAT?!?! )))))))))))))))))))

What could be worse than a civil war? World War lll?

[greendog]

164. The media's job...

...is to sweep this under the rug. Don't forget who owns the media.

[LibertyorDeath]

Well that's a big part of the problem

the media doesn't do it's job!

It's propaganda & bullshit 24/7.

[Delphinus]

71. What civil war?

I've not heard the blatherings of this. Can you give examples or point me in the right direction? TIA.

[XemaSab]

8. I don't understand this scandal at all....

Can someone explain it to me like I'm 5????

[matcom]

10. you need to be at least 30 for this one

and i'm still researching so no time. give me a day or two

[XemaSab]

42. Ah ok

Well uh, send me a message when you figure it out! :D

[Ladyhawk]

86. Me too. :D n/t

[caligirl]

101. Takes us back to Nixon, Alderman?

[roguevalley]

127. GO, MATCOM! GO, MATCOM!

[mandyky]

198. You have to be at least 30 to be a Senator

That was my first thought

[Patiod]

210. NOW did a great piece on this

I can't remember if it was after they cut the program to only 30 minutes, or before, when it was 60.

Very clear - and long before the rest of the media would go anywhere near it. If you go to the website, and search on "Abramoff" there's transcripts of the program and other references.

[Kingshakabobo]

18. There is more than one scandal. That's why it's so confusing.

Abramoff and his henchmen have their fingers in a lot of pots.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Don't forget the post on Atta too

Now that one's a doozy. And a Florida murder. I remember that was announced on CNN I believe.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. LOL!

You're not alone. :)

[KittyWampus]

23. Abramoff has been money laundering, taking bribes, and funneling $

from foreign governments and banks (some tied to terrorists) into GOP politicians campaign coffers.

[sam sarrha]

44. some $80,000,000 from just the Casino Mafia..!! the casinos are contracted

out to be run by the mob.. they just get a percentage and a handful of jobs

[NJCher]

176. so you could say a foreign power has overtaken the US

They paid the republicans off so they could take our jobs.


Cher

[hopeisaplace]

186. OMG. Now that's pretty big..whoa

(I don't follow these things through every detail, so if this
is true, it's massive)


edit: bad english.

[jazzjunkysue]

52. Ok. This is a first stab, but you're 5, so, please don't hurt me.

(I know this is oversimplified and lacking in precision, so, disclaimer: It's a basic description, not a detailed account. Please, please, if you understand this better, just leave this here for all the new people who want a simple intro, OK??)

Thanks.

You're an indian tribe with a couple casinos. You want to build more. The other indian tribe does, too. So, you need permission from the state government to bend a few rules, like, allowing gambling boats, etc. And, the other tribe is getting better deals than you are.

So, a slick lawyer named Abramoff calls you up and says he can get you into the white house and senate and get you the deals you need. All you have to do is "pay" Abramoff millions of dollars to "Lobby" the legislators.

So, you do. Then, one day you find out about the other tribe and that their lawyer and your lawyer have been fradulently filing petitions and stuff against each other and billing both of you for lying to you and pretending to fight for you.

So, you clue in the federal investigators, and they finger a couple of people who helped Abramoff rob you: Scanlon and a few others. They finger Abramoff and the feds sit him down under a bright light, explaining that he can either go to jail for 30+ years, or 8, if he tells the feds which legislators changed the rules on your behalf.

And so he took the deal, and will be sentenced after the feds think they've gotten all of his emails and paperwork that will prove which lawmakers changed laws in return for lots of campaign contributions, and lots of very expensive toys and trips.

So, it's buying a law with millions of dollars so you can make more dollars. It's illegal for the house and senate to sell the power of their offices to the highest bidder. Abramoff was merely the broker. It's the lawmakers who took his money and re-wrote the laws that we really want indicted and thrown out of office.

Abramoff is tattling on the senate and congress to shorten his jail sentence.

[robertpaulsen]

72. Here's another stab, courtesy of Daniel Hopsicker.

“Casino Jack” Abramoff and minion Adam Kidan just may be about to get away with murder.

Anyone doubting this assertion should perform this simple thought experiment:

“You’ve just bought a life insurance policy for $10 million on your spouse, who is then shot three times at close range with hollow point rounds by people later identified as Gambino hit men by authorities, who—drat the luck— have recently cashed big checks from you…

Which should you now be doing:

A. Planning a new life of leisure with your big insurance settlement? Or:

B. Looking to dye your hair red and drive at your earliest convenience across the Mexican border in a white Bronco?

Alas for America, both Abramoff and Kidan appear to be availing themselves of a third alternative, one made possible by an unacknowledged fact of American life:

“Being connected means never having to say your sorry.”

Writing a quarter million dollars worth of checks (for no discernible purpose) to Mafia hit men who are later charged with the murder of the check-writer’s biggest enemy in the whole damn world is just another in a long line of "freak coincidences" in South Florida, a place where things have always been a little… different.

'Big Tony' Moscatiello and two second-rate mobsters were charged with the murder of Sun Cruz Casino magnate Gus Boulis in September. It is a case in which Jack Abramoff and his henchman Adam Kidan both have massive and totally obvious criminal exposure.

Without an agreement to shield them from prosecution in the Boulis murder, neither man would seem to have any reason to accept a plea agreement...yet it is unmentioned in their announced deals with federal prosecutors.

It is fast becoming unmentionable.

much more...

http://www.madcowprod.com/index.html

[jazzjunkysue]

95. Typical stupid crook: Wrote a traceable check. Wow. They never heard

of unmarked bills in a duffle bag? Even I know about bills in a duffle bag.

[Ilsa]

141. Great coverage of the murder for hire. Crime #2 covered. eom

[Delphinus]

74. You did a good job.

Thanks for the synopsis.

But, back to Matcom, what do you know that's making this seem so ominous to you?

[jazzjunkysue]

90. Anytime. I remember being new, and it's tough, with this spinning

at the speed of sound.

[XemaSab]

84. Thanks for the explanation

So it's basically bribery? :shrug:

[jazzjunkysue]

89. Yep. Plus, lots of fraud to go around. You're welcome.

[Ilsa]

140. Excellent coverage of one of the crimes. thanks. eom

[SkiGuy]

73. LOL

I know what you mean!

[seemslikeadream]

158. Here is all you need to know, start reading

Boulis Investigation Dredges Up Big Names - Abramoff
Untangling a Lobbyist's Stake in a Casino Fleet
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1436668

SunCruz deal began to sink-Buyers never paid owner (Abramoff, the mob
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1447156

AP: Tribe Told to Reroute DeLay Checks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1569610

Figure in DeLay Probe Appears in Court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1697237

AP: Abramoff to be indicted for fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1693983

(Newsweek) Abramoff: More Trouble Ahead?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1700154

Abramoff May Meet With Investigators
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1705477

Abramoff makes first Miami court appearance on fraud charge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1711313

Abramoff Cited Aid Of Interior Official(Conflict-of -Interest Probe)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1732229

NYT: Demotion of a Prosecutor Is Investigated (Abramoff)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1808038

Boulis killing indictment names fourth conspirator (Abramoff case)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1813408

Three arrested in gangland-style murder of Suncruz founder 'Gus' Boulis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1809114

Ft. Lauderdale judge denies bond for suspect in Boulis killing (Abramoff)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1821145

Boulis Investigation Dredges Up Big Names - Abramoff
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1839596

Abramoff investigation has GOP holding its breath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1853045

Ney in investigation of lobbyist Jack Abramoff
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1900933

3 enter not-guilty pleas in 2001 murder of Gus Boulis...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1914459

Ex-partner (Scanlon) cooperates in fraud prosecution (SunCruz casinos)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1944690

Feds probing SunCruz links to GOP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1948367

Sun-Sentinel: Witness claims he heard hit plan in Boulis murder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1948304

Kidan is expected to admit to fraud (SunCruz/Abramoff)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1976098

WP: Plea Deal Near With 2nd Abramoff Associate (Kidan will cooperate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1975588

Abramoff ex-partner pleads guilty to fraud charge - this is good
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1989452

Lobbyist Nears Terms on Plea Deal 5-7 Years and will testify!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2002300

Motive behind SunCruz affair: good old greed (Abramoff Scandal)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2006166

The Fast Rise and Steep Fall of Jack Abramoff (Wash. Post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2011168

[countingbluecars]

9. Now you have me scared.

If Congress is brought down-even for a while, will the Executive Branch have free reign?

[matcom]

13. don't know

but you should be a little scared

[caligirl]

104. Bush just reordered the succession line, behind Rummy, anything there?

[Renew Deal]

75. I don't believe that our constitution allows that.

Not that they care about it. Congress still needs to be in session. I believe that they can get a quorum from actual members. I don't believe that vacancies count, but i don't know. Remember, our laws and methods for making changes doesn't change even if 400 congressmen disappear. There are laws in place to deal with this. Then again, Bushco have no respect for the law.

[proud patriot]

161. Not Presidential succession but Sec. of Def. succession

[ChairmanAgnostic]

155. anyy more than they grabbed already?

talk about a tough standard.

[Strawman]

211. How would that be unique?

It's already been that way since 2002.

[Beausoir]

14. Elaborate please. I'm not a mind reader. What are you talking about?

[matcom]

20. i honestly do not know

i was just told it COULD get BIG

[danalytical]

70. This is so ridiculous

Why even post if you have absolutely no information? Here let me try..

Hey did you hear about the CIA leak case??
Guess what, it could be BIG! Like REALLY REALLY BIG! Stay tuned?

[KittyWampus]

15. Unintentionally Funny, "This COULD bring down Congress....

but not in a good or bad way"...

Sorry, no disrespect intended, but the way that was written strikes me as REALLY funny.

[matcom]

22. really wasn't ment to be

i don't fully understand myself. am researching. relaying what i was told

[MzShellG]

137. How credible is your source?

This 'person' you referred to.

[stepnw1f]

16. Shit... I've Been Prepared for 5 years

Not including the Clinton witch hunting by the GOP.

[The Stranger]

17. It could bring down corrupt Congressmen and women? Is that all?

I was hoping for more.

[matcom]

26. the "Institution" could be at stake

"politically" speaking

[leftstreet]

34. Well, this whole representative democracy shit isn't working anyway...

...let's try a parliamentary system. Or any system that could give us some proportional representation.

[AntiFascist]

60. ummm, what's the problem with...

passing anti-lobbying legislation? Or is it the money laundering that is the real issue?

[leftstreet]

81. We'd need a brazillion DOJers to enforce it

:-)

The laundering is probably the issue. Our corporate masters look upon legislation not as a restraint, but a challenge.

[IronLionZion]

213. passing anti-lobbying legislation? bwahahaha!

That's like asking Congress to kill their golden goose. I'm sure they'll do it if you ask them nicely. :eyes:

Russ Feingold, one of the few patriots in Congress, introduced legislation restraining lobbyists and forcing all politicians to better account for their funds. It will never see the light of day. Republicans and Democrats agree that money is honey. mmmm....taste the corruption!

[IndyOp]

100. I'd be up for a dictatorship...

if Dennis Kucinich could be dictator. :)

[Acryliccalico]

116. LOL I agree with you leftstreet.

:kick:

[proud patriot]

162. are you referring to the legislative branch in its entirety ?

:hide:

[KerryOn]

24. Does the mess look something like this:

[jazzjunkysue]

59. ROTFL!!!!!

:bounce:

[PsN2Wind]

62. Don't see the guy there

that they might (probably) had whacked.

[Ladyhawk]

98. Just add in the Cthulhu link and it will be correct.

;) :D

[faithnotgreed]

105. love that graphic - thank you

[KerryOn]

178. Thanks, Glad you liked my art work. n/t

[bunny planet]

142. Thanks for the laugh. If my government is about to come apart at the seams

at least I have a funny chart to look at.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: The Spaghetti Head Medusa should be the new GOP flag, you know, for the civil war and all.

[KerryOn]

177. The Medusa wa my wife's idea....

I thought it was a brilliant idea.

[EFerrari]

190. That's bee U tiful!

:rofl:

[RagingInMiami]

197. That would be perfect if jeb bush can be tied into that somehow

[htuttle]

27. Just thinking out loud...

...but I believe that in the last few weeks, I've seen threads that, if pulled on, could connect Abramoff's 'family' to the Gotti mob (via several mob hits), Turkish drug networks (aka what Sibel Edmonds was not allowed to talk about), and even Al Queda-types in Pakistan (via some of the money that Abramoff was laundering).

I highly doubt many of those connections will ever get seriously pulled in public, but if they were, it might be as big as you are suggesting. :shrug:

[matcom]

29. how about ANOTHER name....

"Atta"

[htuttle]

31. You mean where the $200,000 got wired from?

And how it got there?

And what about the US bank ATM cards found on Abu Zubaydah?

That sort of thing?

[matcom]

36. nope.

but i have to be done here

let's wait and see

[TahitiNut]

97. "let's wait and see"??? Are you Candy Kendall??

Where's Homer Wells when we need him? (Poor Homer!) :silly:

[IndyOp]

121. Drudge: Bush Calls Meeting with All Living Secretaries Defense & State

Yes, I know it's Drudge - a known liar - is the WH leaking this to Drudge? Why? If the meeting is happening, why?

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x43950#44002>

[Generic Other]

156. 911 put options? Insider trading?

I can't even balance my own checkbook, but those terms are buried deep in my brain's trivia file.

[KittyWampus]

32. gambling on Abramoff's casino ship?

[htuttle]

45. Ooh, I forgot about that report

I remember it now, however. I think Hopsicker wrote about it this summer. Atta and several of the others made a visit to one of the Abramoff-connected casino ships, IIRC.

[Divine Discontent]

92. DAMN< DUH!

I am so messed up with stuff in my own life, I didn't even put TWO and TWO together..


The terrorists were on the SUN CRUZ casino boat back just before they blew up the WTC with the help of SOMEONE in higher up places, because how lucky could they get with all the ignoring the FAA reports and no military air action, and so much more stuff, but anyhow,
Abramoff was connected to that casino cruise line when the former owner got murdered years back.

Hmm... I find that very odd, I mean, seriously, there's a lot of casino boats, and the Sun Cruz was a SMALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL boat when they were on it, not like the newer (20 years old) one that Sun Cruz brought down from New York a couple years ago, to Cocoa Beach/Port Canaveral launch site.
So, why wouldn't they have went, like everyone does, on the Sterling boat which is a 90% tourist boat, mostly locals went on the small (1/4 the size of the Sterling) boat they had then!

DAMN... great catch!
hope my additional info is helpful to someone somewhere on the GOOD side!


ps - I always got creaped out when we'd visit the casino boat (not sure if it was the Sterling or the Sun Cruz one) after 9/11 and the Arab boat captain would come on and talk, just my nervousness over what had happened the year before.

[corbett]

131. It Wasn't Your Imagination

Visit this site immediately and order the DVD. You'll see the truth become clear.

https://secure.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

[Sydnie]

39. You mean the casino ship trip?

Yesterday's - Old news. :rofl:

[mrdmk]

49. Mohamed Atta al-Sayed, you have got to be joking!

This is a tinfoil hat adjusted to tightly with a come-a-long.

[Shakespeare]

51. Oh, now THAT'S interesting....

I've been on the same trail htuttle mentioned for awhile now, but that certainly adds a new dimension.

Very, very interesting....and now I know what you mean by "a little scary."

[Delphinus]

76. Mohammad Atta?

The one who supposedly was one of the pilots of the planes on 9-11? Seriously?

[johnfunk]

114. Hmmm... could it have something to do with...

... futures trading on American Airlines and United upto, say, September 10, 2001? Or other "binniss" that could land some people in on a major attack on the US a hefty windfall?

Truth is, I think most Amerixcans would be horrified, but honestly not surprised...

[Carni]

175. You got it baby

Atta is the elephant in the room and you better believe he won't be tied to the exec branch (even though he should be)

[Stephanie]

182. You mean that story about the hijackers going to Abramoff's casino

Is that story true? You have to be a really ardent coincidence theorist to keep on believing these guys.

[flyarm]

184. STORY IS TRUE!! ATTA ST PETE TIMES..JOHNS PASS FLA

http://www.sptimes.com/News/092701/news_pf/TampaBay/Hij...

JOHNS PASS TREASURE ISLAND WEST COAST FLA..NEAR ST PETE..

Why were Atta and 9/11 muslim hijackers on Abramoff's casino boat?

St. Petersburgh Times
St. Petersburg Times, published September 27, 2001


TREASURE ISLAND -- Employees on a SunCruz gambling ship that sails from John's Pass think some of the hijackers in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were gambling on the ship the week before the attacks.
TREASURE ISLAND -- Employees on a SunCruz gambling ship that sails from John's Pass think some of the hijackers in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were gambling on the ship the week before the attacks.

The FBI is investigating. SunCruz Casinos has turned over security videotapes and documents to FBI investigators.

Two or three men linked to the hijackings may have been customers on the SunCruz ship that is based at John's Pass, said Michael Hlavsa, chairman of the gambling cruise company.

...

The cruise line also is giving the FBI a videotape from a Port Canaveral ship of a former customer that a casino manager thinks resembles one of the terrorists.


fly

[meganmonkey]

203. Oooh la la!

Good find. I have been meaning to do some deep googling on this for more 'credible' sources :eyes: and this is the kind of thing I was looking for!

:thumbsup:

[myrna minx]

209. This link doesn't work. Do you have a cached version?

:shrug: This article sent shivers down my spine.

[KamaAina]

53. Did you say *Turkish* drug networks?

As in Turkey? The very country that human cockroach Denny Hastert (R-Won't Lift a Finger for New Orleans But Will Delay Congress A Whole Month to Protect Crony DeLay) is known to be mixed up with?!

Hmmm... maybe this congressional delay is meant to protect people besides the Exterminator... :tinfoilhat:

Let's recast Airplane! with me as the pilot and Denny Boy as the wide-eyed little boy visiting the cockpit:

"Do you like watching movies about gladiators? (pause) Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?" :evilgrin:

edit: maovies? "The Litle Red Movie"?

[jazzjunkysue]

64. Lol: New GOP slogan: "We who are about to die, salute you."

smash/splat/squash/assorted flyswatter sound effects

[KittyWampus]

88. I just posted a thread about Atta attending Florida Flight School Where

the owner of the school had his jet apprehended with pounds of heroin.

[baby_bear]

33. Is the WH happy about this? In terms of distraction?

Just guessing here. I would think that the WH is so anxious to get the spotlight off itself that it would relish even a Republic-centered scandal that is limited to Congress, not the WH.

But, conceivably, the WH could be involved. That's not what the pundits are saying.

The WH creeps already had their own sources of money; guess they didn't need Abramoff's.

I listen to this stuff and feel like I need a bath.

b_b

[tridim]

47. Bush did take money from Abramoff

Everything is connected.

[quiet.american]

117. You're right -- *and* called off a 2002 probe into Jack's dealings

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/2/103145/544

But that's not the half of it! It was only revealed this August that in 2002 Bush himself fired a prosecutor, Frederick Black, investigating Abramoff over a scandal in Guam. Rove recommended the replacement and the inquiry of Abramoff ended! ""The demotion of ... Black looks political and should be investigated," Melanie Sloan, executive director of CREW, said in a press release." It would be Obstruction of Justice by Bush if true.

PLUS Bush never repaid Abramoff's firm, Greenberg, $314,000 in bills for the 2000 Recount, making it in effect a HUGE in-kind contribution to Bush! SO BUSH OWES ABRAMOFF BIG-TIME. And Abramoff himself was a "Pioneer", raising over $100,000 for Bush in 2004.

[jazzjunkysue]

66. The Boy king himself took $32K from him. He's in up to his smarmy

little pet goat, I'd say.

[KittyWampus]

80. He may have also instructed Pentagon to stop trailing Atta in Able Danger

[jazzjunkysue]

87. Oh, yeah. That's a major past-time in the WH;Look the other way.

[DainBramaged]

37. Bigger than a breadbox?

[soothsayer]

38. Good! Let's go to term limits and absolutely NO gifts allowed

And no nice pension, no great health care, and all the laws apply to congress as do to the rest of american workplaces. That'll take the fun (and much of the corruption) right out of it. Hell, let's elect congresspersons and senators by lottery, like jury duty, so you don't even need money to run, and REALLY even the playing field. Gawd, regular old Americans couldn't do any worse than those self-serving millionaire criminals we have in there now.

[tridim]

40. I just hope it doesn't quash the other MASSIVE scandals

Like the Plame leak, and FEMA/NO, and the illegal wiretapping, and the illegal Iraq war, and on and on and on..

Scandal overload long since achieved.

[roguevalley]

132. they are all related, all the scandals. RICO anyone?

[MadisonProgressive]

41. Is this the start of the crumbling of the 9/11 MIHOP coverup?

[Rainscents]

48. Ding, ding, ding... we got a winner!

[Al-CIAda]

67. One can only hope.

[Beam Me Up]

174. I posted this in the 9/11 forum where it didn't get any attention:

From: 9/11 Synthetic Terror; Made in the USA, by Webster Griffin Tarplay. Chapter 1, pp 18.

THE SEPTEMBER CRIMINALS ARE STILL AT LARGE

//snip//

. . . If the 9/11 myth can be dismantled, discredited, and denounced before the masses, there is hope that the party re-alignment may unfold in a progressive direction, perhaps with the collapse of the Republican Party, perhaps with the split of the Democratic Party into factions representing roughly the views of Senator Lieberman and those of Senator Kennedy. Under these conditions, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan can be terminated, and new aggressions warded off. The neocons can be brought to justice. International monetary reform, world reconstruction and economic development, vast projects of infrastructure can be addressed. But if the 9/11 myth is allowed to stand intact as the basis for us national life, for the current regime, and the Republican and Democratic Parties, then there is every reason to fear that the likely party realignment will represent the transition to fascism in some form whose outlines we can already see.

The dominant oligarchies of the United States and several other countries committed a serious error when they decided to accept the crude conspiracy theory peddled by the Bush regime concerning 9/11. This was a matter where a careful and judicious ruling class would have exercised more restraint, and kept more options open. The wholesale endorsement of the official 9/11 myth by the controlled corporate news media, by the two major political parties and by large parts of academia has created a situation in which the 9/11 myth is now the indispensable basis of large sectors of American life. Many institutions have in effect wedded their entire credibility to the myth. This was very unwise. We cannot be entirely certain that the truth of 9/11 will ever become generally accepted by the masses, but if such revelations should ever occur, they will now destroy far more than the 9/11 myth.

The dismantling of the myth in favor of an account at least closer to reality will have the most profound institutional implications. The Republican Party, because it has presided of the institutionalization and exploitation of the myth, would tend toward extinction. The contradictions inside the Democratic Party would explode. Many careers would go by the boards. Because the entire society is so heavily invested in the myth, the entire social order would be called into question. Even the prevalent property relations, at least in regard to media, defense industries, oil and some other sectors, would inevitably be called into question. The current status of the 9/11 myth as the substratum of so many hegemonic institutions helps to explain the absolute hysteria of the ruling elite whenever substantive critiques of the myth arise, as they must ever tend to do.

Everything depends on intellectual activists like you. The 9/11 myth is the last line of defense of a bankrupt regime. Was the Iraq war based on lies? Do the atrocities of Abu Ghraib violate the laws of war and the Geneva Convention? Is the middle class being crushed? The regime, with its back to the wall has only one answer, "9/11." The mantra of 9/11 is the carte blanche for black propaganda, war crimes, a police state, and thievery until the end of time if we listen to those in power.

And there is an irony: if the regime itself has been able to cite the need for wartime solidarity in regard to Afghanistan, the Democratic Party has had only the litany of 9/11 to fall back on. The Democratic Party has portrayed itself as the true believers in the 9/11 myth, eyes fixed on the quest to find bin Laden, while the Republicahs were going astray in Mesopotamia. Senator Kerry, until he can be convinced to think otherwise, is more married to the 9/11 myth than Bush is. The Democrats are Johnny One-note, while Bush has the means to modulate. Result: 9/11 is the lever used by all factions of the oligarchy to keep the basses in submission. This lever will break before their faces.

The full section from the quote (without snips) is in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x64853

[earth mom]

189. I was wondering the very same thing.... eom

[Lone_Star_Dem]

43. We've been saying things need to change

If what you're implying is true then we may just get our wish.

I've been being told that this could have huge and far reaching implications for quite some time, but to bring down all of congress...damn! That's bigger than I ever entertained.

[Frustratedlady]

46. I heard that two of the 9/11 guys were in one of his

casinos, but I only got bits and pieces. There was a hint that this might lead in the direction of 9/11, too. Anyone else hear anything on that?

I can't imagine Abramoff ever had time to sleep, having involved SO many people. He probably thought there was safety in numbers?

[Frustratedlady]

54. Sorry! I should have read further....

I see that was mentioned.

[Pithy Cherub]

50. will it cause a constitutional crisis?

Especially if Jackass Abramoff laudered money (Watergate CREEP -style) to the bush-reselection effort, siphoned money to certain CEO's of electronic voting companies, leveraged money with foreign entities with interests opposite American national security and gave money to congress to stand down on important votes. Then, yeah, that would be a constitutional barn burner!

:popcorn:

[Blutodog]

57. Another in the Dau cycle is all.

Don't get ur hopes up folks. Read the Dau report: here's how it will end just like all the rest of the Bu$h scandals.

Dau Report (from Salon.com) -
"The Dynamic of a Bush Scandal: How the Spying ( or any other Bu$h scandal) Story Will Unfold (and Fade)"
by Peter Daou
The third button on the Daou Report's navigation bar links to the U.S. Constitution, a Constitution many Americans believe is on life support - if not already dead. The cause of its demise is the corrosive interplay between the Bush administration, a bevy of blind apologists, a politically apathetic public, a well-oiled rightwing message machine, lapdog reporters, and a disorganized opposition. The domestic spying case perfectly illuminates the workings of that system. And the unfolding of this story augurs poorly for those who expect it to yield different results from other administration scandals.
Here's why: the dynamic of a typical Bush scandal follows familiar contours...
1. POTUS circumvents the law - an impeachable offense.
2. The story breaks (in this case after having been concealed by a news organization until well after Election 2004).
3. The Bush crew floats a number of pushback strategies, settling on one that becomes the mantra of virtually every Republican surrogate. These Republicans face down poorly prepped Dem surrogates and shred them on cable news shows.
4. Rightwing attack dogs on talk radio, blogs, cable nets, and conservative editorial pages maul Bush's critics as traitors for questioning the CIC.
5. The Republican leadership plays defense for Bush, no matter how flagrant the Bush over-reach, no matter how damaging the administration's actions to America's reputation and to the Constitution. A few 'mavericks' like Hagel or Specter risk the inevitable rightwing backlash and meekly suggest that the president should obey the law. John McCain, always the Bush apologist when it really comes down to it, minimizes the scandal.
6. Left-leaning bloggers and online activists go ballistic, expressing their all-too-familiar combination of outrage at Bush and frustration that nothing ever seems to happen with these scandals. Several newspaper editorials echo these sentiments but quickly move on to other issues.
7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion. For example, just as this mother of all scandals hits Washington, Democrats are still putting out press releases on Iraq, ANWR and a range of other topics, diluting the story and signaling that they have little intention of following through. This allows Bush to use his three favorite weapons: time, America's political apathy, and make-believe 'journalists' who yuck it up with him and ask fluff questions at his frat-boy pressers.
8. Reporters and media outlets obfuscate and equivocate, pretending to ask tough questions but essentially pushing the same narratives they've developed and perfected over the past five years, namely, some variation of "Bush firm, Dems soft." A range of Bush-protecting tactics are put into play, one being to ask ridiculously misleading questions such as "Should Bush have the right to protect Americans or should he cave in to Democratic political pressure?" All the while, the right assaults the "liberal" media for daring to tell anything resembling the truth.
9. Polls will emerge with 'proof' that half the public agrees that Bush should have the right to "protect Americans against terrorists." Again, the issue will be framed to mask the true nature of the malfeasance. The media will use these polls to create a self-fulfilling loop and convince the public that it isn't that bad after all. The president breaks the law. Life goes on.
10. The story starts blending into a long string of administration scandals, and through skillful use of scandal fatigue, Bush weathers the storm and moves on, further demoralizing his opponents and cementing the press narrative about his 'resolve' and toughness. Congressional hearings might revive the issue momentarily, and bloggers will hammer away at it, but the initial hype is all the Democrat leadership and the media can muster, and anyway, it's never as juicy the second time around...
Rinse and repeat.
It's a battle of attrition that Bush and his team have mastered. Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future.
###

[Al-CIAda]

69. Key quote, and failure of Dems.

'Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future. '

[roguevalley]

133. This stuff won't fade. It won't.

[tridim]

58. I think you should call in to Malloy tonight

Your post has my brain cells firing like crazy.

[onenote]

61. the sky is falling the sky is falling

Its a scandal. Its gonna get messy. Is it going to "bring down Congress"? Of course not. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean. If it means some members of the House will retire rather than run for reelection (or that a few might even resign before November),that's good, but hardly the same as "bringing down Congress."

onenote

[MsKandice01]

63. There's TONS of information in this article....

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

But I still don't think most people are ready to believe anything happened in regards to 9/11 besides the "official story", especially when it comes to who's behind it. 25% of the people in this country still think Saddam was behind it.

[Nickster]

68. This is what I was thinking. Ties to Iran-Contra

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0512/S00080.htm

San Diego businessman Brent Wilkes, a key figure in the Randy “Duke” Cunningham bribery scandal—as well as the Justice Department investigation of Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff—worked in Honduras during the 1980’s for a company accused by federal prosecutors of deep involvement in cocaine trafficking.

Over the weekend the San Diego Union-Tribune, Cunningham’s hometown paper, reported that Brent Wilkes has a two decade long history of close links with the CIA.

The company which provided Wilkes his initial entree into the world of lucrative government defense contracts, said the paper, was World Finance Corp.

[starroute]

109. Just for fun, google "Oliver North" and Abramoff

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/cfa.php

CFA worked closely with Oliver North in North's contra supply efforts."Abramoff and CFA were assigned responsibility for organizing briefings by contra speakers, telephone-trees 'to targeted congressional offices encouraging them to vote for aid to the freedom fighters in Nicaragua'." (Interior quotes are from a declassified "NSC Intelligence Document," Exhibit OLN-217). (24)

CFA was the principal U.S. sponsor for a 1985 meeting of anticommunist resistance groups ("freedom fighters") held in Angola. (12) This conference was important to the Reagan White House and generated at least three memoranda--one from speechwriter Dana Rohrabacher to White House communications director Patrick Buchanan, one from Buchanan to National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, and one from National Security Council staffer Walter Raymond to McFarlane. The memos discussed whether the president should send a personal message to the Angola meeting via Lehrman and whether Rohrabacher should attend the meeting.

Then, for even more fun, you could also google Abramoff and Rohrabacher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher#Links_to_Jack_Abramoff

Several other prominent Republicans are now likely, because of their associations with Abramoff, to face more serious challenges in 2006 than had previously been expected. They include . . . California Representative Dana Rohrabacher, who accepted thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Abramoff and turned up as a financial reference for the lobbyist's purchase of a casino cruise line.

Point is, Abramoff wasn't just some two-bit con man. Ripping off the Indian tribes may have been what he did for pocket money, but it wasn't his real job. Lobbying on behalf of sleazy East Asian dictators with unfortunate connections to nuclear proliferation wasn't his real job either, although it's getting closer to the mark. The bottom line has to be that Abramoff wasn't working primarily for his own benefit -- and if he still has $25 million lying around loose to give back to him victims, then somebody else has to have benefitted by a whole lot more.

[ret5hd]

111. could it be...could it be...Abramoff is rogue CIA???

[druidity33]

123. Zelig...

or the devil, can't be sure.


...little bathroom stickers...

[rucky]

196. or Mossad. n/t

in bed with Rogue CIA

[bloom]

151. I've been wondering about....

Jack Abramoff
Abramoff allegedly convinced Ney to give a wireless communications contract for the House of Representatives to an Israeli company so that Mossad could eavesdrop on the conversations of congressmen.

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2495&name=Robert-W-Ney

.... after listening to the NSA whistleblower on Democracy Now today - he was saying how NSA people ALL know that they are not allowed to spy on Americans. But what seemed to be between the lines was that the US could have an agreement with other countries to spy on us AND we could spy on their people in returen and it would all be legal. (Though maybe they wouldn't care anyway...) http://www.csc.com/countrysites/

[Oilwellian]

167. Rohrbacher has a secret

Atrios has been posting
"Rohrbacher has a secret"
along with this picture:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/
You can find it posted today. I believe it's a pic of Rohrbacher and a group of Mujahadeen in Afghanistan during the 80's. As we all know, many of them are today's Al Qaeda. If you're not familiar with Rohrbacher's involvement with the Mujahadeen, may I suggest Google. :)

Also, if you get a chance, see Olberman's coverage today of Abramoff. He did a much more indepth report and mentions the connections with North and I believe Rohrbacher.

[gumby]

77. Bring It On

And Bring Them Down.

I only hope to see Grover Norquist washed down the drain with 'Them.'

[Ladyhawk]

78. I imagine you're talking all of them, Democrats and Republicans.

That would be fine by me as long as it also brought down the chimp administration. I'd like to see lobbying by big business come to an end.

[TheCowsCameHome]

79. I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry to be so skeptical, but that's the way I feel.

[Chemical Bill]

94. I'm with you.

Of course it's really big. But we will go on seeing it ignored in the corporate media.

Bill

[Ladyhawk]

166. We've heard this before, haven't we?

When you've seen the pattern over and over, it's hard not to be skeptical.

[paineinthearse]

82. Are you surprised?

Anybody who has been following this for the past 12 months will not be surprised. I will be happy if there are more skeletons in the closet than has been disclosed in the annals of DU.

[kohodog]

91. Throw The Bums Out!

Who started that? I think it was a conservative, never the lass we need a real house cleaning. I won't mind if Connecticut cleas the House. Simmons, Sheys, Johnson be gone. I'll even sacrifice a few dems (even the awesome Rosa DiLauro) if we can get rid of the corporate ownership of Congress.

May they all go down and may we reclaim democracy from the Theocrats and Fascitts.

:toast: :toast:

[Marr]

93. Why be cryptic?

Just say what you mean. What did your friend tell you?

[B Calm]

96. I want to hear about the many Bush/Abramoff connections

[Mabus]

99. Marianas Island and Gabon

are the two I know of.

[B Calm]

119. I'll have to Google that!

[Mabus]

125. or you can follow this link

http://www.thinkprogress.org/abramoff#bush From ThinkProgress.org

[B Calm]

129. Thanks

[B Calm]

138. MY GOD! Nine MILLION DOLLARS just to arrange a meeting with Bush

[Mabus]

144. Bush has to cover his medical expenses somehow

:rofl:

[B Calm]

145. When this all comes out, people will demand IMPEACHMENT

[Mabus]

146. They should be demanding it now

but they haven't been paying attention. Let's hope this catches some headlines and wakes them up or at least rouses them to some level of consciousness where they get pissed enough to get involved.

[B Calm]

147. I wonder how much of the 9 million Bush got, and how he laundered

it to hide it???

[Mabus]

168. Agreed.

[meganmonkey]

103. I really hope you are right

not that I even have a grasp on what will happen if you are...:scared:

But more than anything I want the truth to come out. The big ugly painful truth.

Because only then can we heal.

[katty]

107. BRING IT ON!!!

[peanutbrittle]

112. Strange occurences in FL

"long line of "freak coincidences" in South Florida, a place where things have always been a little… different."

http://www.madcowprod.com/index.html


---------------------------------------------------------------------


As far as I can tell this case has been granted appeal?

It would appear, much like Sibel Edmonds this woman has been gagged. See the document dated March of 2005.

MARY SCHNEIDER,

Appellant,

v.

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY,

Agency.


DOCKET Number

AT-0752-03-0875-I-1

DATE: March 30, 2005

http://www.mspb.gov/decisions/2005/schneider_at030875i1...


&


Whistleblower

FACT: Prior Knowledge of 9-11

Federal Whistleblower on
Extensive TREASONOUS Briberies
and Cover Up Conspiracies
Feds Aiding and Abetting Illegal Muslims
The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will hear public oral argument in

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_whistleblower.htm



If true this one is too hot to handle. I e-mailed Hopsicker regarding this, but no reply. Maybe he will follow up with something.

Her original site has been taken down just within the last 2 weeks

http://www.maryschneider.us/index.php

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This one may be a stretch but:

When you combine Linda Franklin FBI intelligence analyst killed

Abramoff ties to gambling (Need to find connection to Antigua)

John Muhammed traveling back and forth to Antigua FREQUENTLY
illegal passport business
seemed to have MONEY but stayed in homeless shelters?
appeared to be a cover up
stated that he had cia ties


Abramoff supported Jewish sniper schools? Sembler and his teen torture and mind control schools?


Wondering if this could be the same "Little Tony Farrari" ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/28/AR2005072801038_pf.html

Until Malvo left, mother and son seemed to be settling into their new life together in Fort Myers. In August, James signed a year lease on a two-bedroom apartment for $450 a month. Tony Ferrari, the landlord, remembers James as a demanding tenant who, even before she moved in, showed up one day and watched as workers cleaned the carpet and then pointed out where they had missed a spot. Once they settled in, Malvo took an active role and complained about any problems with the unit, Ferrari said.

------snip-------

On Oct. 31, James and Neal were divorced in Lee County Circuit Court. According to the divorce filings, she requested that her name be legally restored to Una Sceon James. Around the same time, James moved out of the apartment without giving notice. She broke the year-long lease and left behind her $300 deposit, said the landlord, Ferrari. In the three or so months that James and Malvo lived in the building, on Broadway Avenue just south of downtown, Ferrari did not recall ever seeing anyone there who matched the description of Muhammad.




The only problem being that anything 9/11 or other theories such as these will continue to be supressed or gagged


“There’s a secret world all around us,” a legendary CIA agent informs a young recruit in “Overworld,” L.J.. Kolb’s eye-opening account of growing up as the son of an American spy. “You just don’t see it unless you know where to look.” http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

[meganmonkey]

115. I really hope it all comes out.

We need the TRUTH!

[cry baby]

118. bigger than a blo*job? Nah....

[roguevalley]

122. you tease and your unnamed sources. :-D

[KoKo]

124. WOW! That's EXPLOSIVE NEWS! Thanks for the post.

you are clued in Matcom... :toast:

[roguevalley]

136. the real heroes in America now are the whistleblowers and the

DOJ career lawyers who have pursued this without pause. I salute them.

[Clara T]

126. One thing I must say

is who out there still has any faith in Congress? Except for the few shining stars in the House the Congress has proven to be a rather supine batch of facilitators.

And as for the media doing it's job you can bet it will. Understand what it's job is and that is to obfuscate, minimize, distract and muddy up the waters.

But yes if the totality of what Abramoff was involved in was totally revealed the entire corrupt DC machine would be exposed as the kleptocracy that it is.

There are sooo many scandals and shamelessly corrupt shenanigans in the last five years that what is shown as much as the criminality of the Bushies is the complicity or unwillingness of anyone with power to go after them. It's mindboggling and sad. The Republic is dead.

Keep us posted.

[Jawja]

128. Great.

They NEED to be brought down - as well as the illegal * administration. We need to clean house. Wouldn't mind impeaching Scalia, either.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

130. The biggest thing I see about this is how it shows how much of U.S. gov't.

is completely BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, completely on the take. Mostly Repubs. Cunningham was a good example, DeLay is another.

Shrubco & the Republican Election Machine (which "Hammer" DeLay, the guru of redistricting and twisting Repub arms to vote straight shrubco line) have entirely bought into this mechanism of taking crooked dollars and feeding them into party election apparatus...

[OnionPatch]

134. I'd love to think you're right

and like some other posts said, if it brought down some Dems, it would be worth it to "clean house" and just get rid of the whole damn nest of them.

However, I am skeptical. For five years now I've watched in horror as Bushco and the Republicans have done everything but murder and drink the blood of a baby on national television and America just sighed and said, "Hey, what's on TV tonight?"

I still hope you're right.

[meisje]

135. 51% Republican involvement 49% Dem

is my guess

[newspeak]

159. why would you think that?

the repugs hold the majority in both houses, and Jeffers switched after Bush was selected. My guess, he knew this administration was made up of corruptable sleaze. If you want to go percentages, then I'll say 75% Repug and 25% DINO.

[B Calm]

143. I see another best seller John Gisham novel!!

[mtnsnake]

149. I swear to god I had nothing to do with it!!

I categorically deny having ever had any contact with this Jack Abramoff guy. I've never met the man, never once talked to him, haven't seen his picture, or even heard of him! Honest!

[The Backlash Cometh]

150. Hee, hee, hee. I suspect Rove's hand in all this.

Yep. I could see Rove taking down congress in order to put his li'l ole indictment on page 14.

[Independent_Liberal]

152. Could it be bigger than Iran Contra or BCCI?

I can't wait to find out.

[SPKrazy]

169. What if... it is Iran Contra and BCCI, what if it goes back even further

into the BFEE?
What if it goes back to operation paperclip, Bay of Pigs, Kennedy assassination(s), Watergate, Iranian hostages, Iraq war 1, 9//11, Iraq war 2, etc.

What if, Abramoff is just the latest player in the template of criminality in politics that has pervaded for at least 50 years?

I was reading this web site, and started thinking along these lines:
http://www.madcowprod.com/index.html


:tinfoilhat: ??????

[Beam Me Up]

181. Oh! Be still, my beating heart!

[bloom]

153. What if the goal was to bring down Congress??

sigh.

[bpilgrim]

157. folks were saying the same thing about ENRON

we'll have to wait and see but it certainly looks interesting thus far :evilgrin:

peace

[Ilsa]

163. Shakedown of every American citizen for these thugs in DC.

This is shameful. All this money to line their pockets; all this money having to be paid just to petition one's Congress-critter. All this money coming from consumers, employees, all kinds of alternative expenses (like healthcare) where it could have been spent. Instead we have fascism. (censor - snip - cut - redact - blackout what I'm really thinking.)

[hopeisaplace]

191. Yeah, and they couldn't get water to the Superdome!

That still pisses me off something fierce too.

[cal04]

165. interesting quote from Abramoff to Reed

Abramoff showed little compassion for the Democratic-leaning Tiguas. "Ultimately, the main target is AC," Abramoff wrote to Reed, referring to the Alabama-Coushatta. "I wish those moronic Tiguas were smarter in their political contributions. I'd love us to get our mitts on that moolah!! Oh well, stupid folks get wiped out."


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:-0KP3HLwoNIJ:www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/09/abramoff-2.html+I%27d+love+us+to+get+our+mitts+on+that+moolah&hl=en

[upi402]

170. good, this gov't is 90% crap and needs flushing

:popcorn:

[lala_rawraw]

171. Think Sibel Edmonds and

Then you get the picture. Gov for sale anyone?

[Carni]

179. Yep that's what I'm talkin about

THIS devil we know (I can't write what I think about him without getting thrown in gitmo) may not be as bad as the devil he has sold us to.

[flyarm]

185. and haserts taking money or some deals with the turks??

hmmmm...

and 9/11

gorlick passing on nyc charging fbi agent devecchio (mob crimes) in late 90's in the colombo mob war...and she ends up on 9/11 commission??

now one of the arrested three implicated in the murder of sun cruise owner..connected with the gambino's...gets $250,000..from the abramoff group of thugs...i read one of them was singing..,the one with the gambino ties..

but it is the prosecutor that worries me..and her ties with delays defence team...and out of chertoffs office...and a recess appointment..

fly

[BuyingThyme]

180. So they dressed Abjackoff in mobster garb so that we'll

assume he's the top guy, right?

So, the DOJ is obviously in on this thing, right?. It's not like he would have gone all donned without knowing why, right?

He's gonna take the wrap and roll over on the Hammer and some nobody staffers, right?

And what is this thread about, again? The guys he's stepping up for?

[flyarm]

183. UMM DID YOU HEAR MALLOY ABOUT THE PROSECUTOR?

ALICE FISHER NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIMINAL TRIAL!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATTORNEY PUT IN BY BUSH 3 MONTHS AGO...
RECESS APPOINTMENT ..TO JUSTICE DEP..IN CHARGE OF ABRAMOFF CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHE WORKED FOR MICHAEL CHERTOFF!!
WAS ON TOM DELAYS DEFENCE TEAM........................PUKE....

AHEAD OF ALL SORTS OF CRIMINAL ATTORNEYS WHO "KNOW" HOW TO PROCESS A HUGE CASE LIKE THIS..ITS A FIX ..ITS A SET UP FOLKS..THAT F@@KER
* DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

187. Thank you flyarm, for paying attention..

Bastard did it again :mad:

[Free the Press]

193. (R) talking point about it this being a lone wolf, Senator Ney, is apt!

Do you have links so this can be spread like wildfire and used to turn the already immediate attention of the American Public toward this injustice.

[Free the Press]

194. Never mind. I found a great link here at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x41598

[bluestateguy]

188. I will wait and see

5 years should have taught us that much, especially a senior poster like you matcom.

[Free the Press]

192. What do you mean? n/t

[roguevalley]

195. You're talking about Bush being impeached, right? You have to

be thirty. 1975. Impeachment. :)

[DoYouEverWonder]

202. This is Watergate on steroids

Watergate was a WH scandal and involved only a handful of people. This Abramoff scandal involves the whole government. When the end comes we might not recognize our own country anymore.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

199. I look for it to be the biggest political upheaval in my lifetime

which is half a century now.

[ngGale]

200. This has been bigger than Watergate...

Nixon didn't result in people dying, that we know of. So says, John Dean - it's true
Nixon didn't have a 'fake planned' war or anything close to NOLA. This is SO big and SO bad, it dwarfs anything in American history IMHO. So, Alice Fisher is a 'yes girl' set up, just for Abramoff!?! Why didn't the media throw this out in the public domaine...and why am I asking this question? Because the media is still complicit in the crimes...just saying. What is the psych and what is the truth...do we have a future? Is there any hope that an end to this horrid nightmare may come to pass, before Iran or Marshall Law perhaps?

Are their any good guys left...will we survive? Well, I guess it really doesn't make a difference - I'd rather go standing on my feet than down on my knees. Roosevelt, I think said that. Seems our country has been taken over by one are various governments due to our greed and complicity in other foreign affairs. Is this what they are all trying to hide? In other words, we are totally FUBAR!:hide:

:scared:

[Swamp Rat]

201. .

[meganmonkey]

204. Hey Swampy!

Good to see you and your scary-ass images :P

I remember reading you were taking a trip into NO or something - it's good to see you back. I hope everything is okay.

:hug:

[Nimrod2005]

205. Excellent, bring dow the govt. then Howard Dean can take over

As our President!!!

:bounce: :toast:

[Beausoir]

206. SO....where is Matcom today? Can we get some answers on this post?

[txindy]

208. Here and here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=47203&mesg_id=47203

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x47526#47536

[Kazak]

207. Juicy!

Impatiently awaiting...

[StateSecrets]

212. Dennis Hastert, Abramoff & Vanity Fair

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0601,ridgeway,71514,6.html

Mondo Washington
Abramoff Lobbying Scandal: Big Timber Falls Hard
Hastert on tainted money: Okay, okay, I'll give it back

by James Ridgeway
January 4th, 2006 10:11 AM


WASHINGTON, D.C.--With leaders of both parties compromised in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal, questions now center around Republican Dennis Hastert, speaker of the House, who yesterday shed himself of tainted campaign contributions totaling $70,000. He gave the money to an unspecified charity.
...

Hastert, often viewed as a weak Speaker and little more than a frontpiece for indicted majority leader Tom Delay, recently was linked to another potential political campaign scandal. Vanity Fair last fall ran an article in which Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI translator blocked by a government gag order from telling what she knows about the FBI operations around the time of 9-11, describes how, in her days as an FBI interpreter, she ran across wiretaps of Turkish officials discussing campaign contributions to various politicians, including Hastert.

"Some of the calls reportedly contained what sounded like references to large-scale drug shipments and other crimes," wrote Vanity Fair. "To a person who knew nothing about their context, the details were confusing and it wasn't always clear what might be significant. One name, however, apparently stood out--a man the Turkish callers often referred to by the nickname 'Denny boy.' It was the Republican congressman from Illinois and Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert. According to some of the wiretaps, the F.B.I.'s targets had arranged for tens of thousands of dollars to be paid to Hastert's campaign funds in small checks. Under Federal Election Commission rules, donations of less than $200 are not required to be itemized in public filings."

The magazine went on to point out that there had been a large amounts of money--some $483,000 from 1996 through December 2002--in non-itemized contributions to Hastert's re-election committee. Edmonds said the phone recordings made repeated references to Hastert's role in first supporting, then unexpectedly opposing, a House resolution declaring the killing of Armenians in Turkey as genocide. Hastert claimed he withdrew the resolution after then President Clinton said it would hurt U.S. interests in Turkey. There is no evidence Hastert himself knew anything about this, and his spokesman denied any connection to Turkish lobbyists or groups. He also denied any wrongdoing.

[EstimatedProphet]

214. Locking

OP request