Birdshot from 30 yards away, head on, results in this kind of damage

[BurtWorm]

According to a photographer at the paper that first noted the accident.

Source: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/02/14/birdshot/index.html?source=war_room.rss

[MADem]

1. Hmmm--of course, people don't have paper skin

I'd love it if some DUer with a 28 guage shotgun and 7 and a half inch birdshot could run this experiment for us, on, say, a dummy, with a shirt and jacket and orange vest on....

[Faygo Kid]

2. Thanks. Chilling. What was the deal with Cheney's Swiss Miss?

Still haven't seen anyone on the millionaire babe he was vacationing with. I don't get that. Did he get a BJ? Isn't that grounds for impeachment?

[catmother]

8. any woman who would give cheney a blowjob -- OMG i can't

even think it -- much less say it.:puke:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. Ann Coulter would,

but her Adam's Apple would get in the way.

Michelle Malkin would.

Mary Matalin would, and does, every day.

Lynne Cheney won't - not ever.

Phyllis Schlafly is blowing Cheney even as I type.

George W. Bush does, but he thinks he's eating a Payday.

Scooter Libby used to, but soon, Cheney will be blowing Scooter.

Grover Norquist does.

Jack Abramoff used to, but he won't any more.

[catmother]

i can't stop laughing. thank you for that post.

:hi:

[Faygo Kid]

23. Hilarious. Blanquita would, but even Cheney has to draw a line.

Ah, but ambassador to Switzerland Pamela Willeford - she who hunted with Dick in the absence of Lynn - That is the $64,000 question. Good for ol' Dick; she's not bad, not bad at all, and rich and privileged, so she's OK. As for Ann, she is too busy hurling.

Pamela:

Ann:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

9. Here's what I think happened:

Whittington shot down Cheney's "Brokeback Mountain" advances, and, enraged, Dickless shot him.

Hell hath no fury like a fat fuck scorned.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. Only if he *lies* about it under oath, apparently. And Cheney doesn't

testify under oath, period . Also I am guessing that the definition of what is is, would of course, be re-defined. Repuglicans always change the rules they make up, when it suits them to do so.

[johnnie]

3. Ooooooo

Like a little sprinkle of pepper.

[BurtWorm]

4. It just tickles

until the mild heart attack sets in.

[petersjo02]

5. Pattern on Texas Fish and Game Report

The pattern the fish and game people drew on their report appears as though the shot was tighter on the head, neck, left chest, suggesting shot was closer than 30 yds.

[Rick Myers]

I'm no expert, but on the report

the shot was surely closer than 30 yards. More like 15 to 20 feet.

[sandnsea]

17. It most certainly did

I think it was much closer than 30 yards and if they had said that originally people would have known that he was in serious condition and that there is no way Cheney couldn't have known the guy was within 30 feet of him. Cover Up. Period.

[papau]

24. I noticed that also - about 35% to 50% of the shot hit him - I'd say 30 ft

and those beers at the late afternoon lunch may have washed down a couple of shots - so a 180 degree swing to shoot behind you might be right into someones face.

The "good" news is that Texas law provides for invol manslaughter if hunting accident victim dies within one year of being shot.

The "bad" news is that in that part of Texas hell will freeze over before a rich person goes to jail.

[catmother]

6. i'm glad it was whittington and not the poor helpless birds.

:think:

[MercutioATC]

7. Irresponsible journalism.

Does that picture represent a shot taken from Cheney's gun using the same load, shot and choke? I'm kinda doubting it. Combined with the fact that human skin is one hell of a lot stronger than paper targets, this is nothing but sensationalistic crap.

[BurtWorm]

10. Reminiscent of Dan Burton's melon shot?

On the other hand, it answers an obvious question people have. As someone else pointed out, the official report on Whittington seems worse, suggesting Cheney could have been closer than 30 yards.

[brainshrub]

16. I am working on that theory now.

A DUer did the math, and I'm cross-checking and adding data as we speak. It may be the proof that Whittington was much closer than 30 yards.

Come to my blog tomorrow for the damning evidence against Cheney. <--- Shameless self-promotion.

[BuyingThyme]

11. So, it doesn't matter what size bib he was wearing.

[ClayZ]

12. google shotgun wound > click images (not pretty)

This is an interesting read too! > http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

[skylarmae]

13. Wow! wonder how many pierce the skin at that range?

Yesterday the 'repuke taking heads' seemed to imply that most wouldn't even penetrate to cause damage...

[sandnsea]

15. And at 30 feet?

Do you then get the tight upper chest and neck shot that is shown on the incident report??? With bird shot penetrating the chest cavity and heart??

[RamboLiberal]

18. Sames newspaper video that shows target

From 30 yards

http://www.caller2.com/specials/2006/gun_demo/index.html

[BurtWorm]

26. Interesting video!

I'd like to see the comparison of Gongorra's paper with the actual pattern of wounds to Whittington's body.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

19. Ah choo!

Pepper Cheney.

[Uben]

21. Not to mention......

.....a cold front had passed through and it was cold for that part of Texas. I would imagine the guy was wearing a shirt, jacket, and hunting vest. For shot to pass through two heavy garments and one lighter garment, and the skin and penetrate deep enough to migrate to the heart does not seem possible. A 28 ga. shotgun shell is not as powerful as say a 12 ga. shell, and bird shot has very small pellets. Seems impossible to me!

[flvegan]

22. Want to know what I want to know?

Considering the damage done, as per the msm, why no talk of his pending plastic surgery for the facial scarring that might happen? No talk of any blindness, though it seems the scatter of the shot would have done damage there (the police report noted that the face was fairly heavily involved), save for some kevlar goggles (that our troops in Iraq could probably use).

I'm sad that anyone was shot, I don't care who it is. However, I'd like to know what the whole story is, just like everyone else.

[IDemo]

25. I'm not a hunter, but a guy I work with is,

and runs a gunsmith business. From the conversation today between he and another bird hunter, 28 gauge or not, the impact of being shot at 30 yards would not amount to a mere 'peppering' or 'spraying'; it's gonna put a serious knockdown on whomever it hits. This man claims to have used a shotgun the past two years to get his deer, sick as that may sound to some (although he was using buckshot, not birdshot). I believe he mentioned 2200 feet-per-second for a muzzle velocity, not slowing by much over the first hundred feet or so. The point being, even a relatively 'lightweight' model such as a 28 gauge has still got shotgun characteristics. It's not a childhood BB-gun with 100 pellets.