Anti Cheney shooting posts: You are way out of the DU mainstream.

[DemoTex]

DU is driven by the events, as always (I've been here since 5/2001). Don't get your panties in a wad over a slight fixation. This fixation is better than some past ones. Big news comes, and important issues get put to the back burner for a few days. So what? At least this issue has to do with the integrity of the Bu$h regime. Let it run for what it is worth.

On October 8, 2001, American Airlines flight 587 crashed into the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, NY. That put this board into total insanity, given the 9/11 frenzy from one month earlier. But the AA 587 frenzy died quickly, as the Cheney shooting frenzy will. Take deep breaths. Relax. Watch DU spring back to the important issues very, very quickly.

I know how quickly things change here at DU. I've been here for almost the full five years.

Mac

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Wise words, my friend

You've been here longer than me, but I know what you mean about fixations over the years. And at least out of this one no one has died and some people have posted some pretty funny stuff, which can be like a breath of fresh air to us who often fell embattled in our everyday lives.

[DemoTex]

3. This too shall pass ...

It is a potential scandal (if, and only if, alcohol was involved), but that scenario has been cut off by the delay in reporting. As the man said, "move on folks, nothing to see here."

Mac

[Just Me]

13. monica was nothing,...she didn't "pass",...

You just NEVER KNOW what "intrigue" will possess the minds of people.

We have a freakin' REGIME that is guilty of TONS of violations of laws,...and they are still sucking in the gullible, the "HOs", the worst of our lot.

Yet, a VP actually SHOT another human being in a SET-UP "hunt".

I really regret acknowledging the pettiness of our people,...but, they are,...PETTY.

Hopefully, we can delve into why our people have become petty persecutors rather than passionate problem-solvers. That discussion is for another day, though, 'cause our people are operating on emote-control mode, right now. I am thankful only 3/4 are still being manipulated.

[EarlG]

2. Thank you DemoTex

Although I would like to add that I believe that this incident isn't as unimportant as some people think it is, at least from a media perspective. There are so many scandals going on right now - Iraq, Katrina, Plame, Abramoff, Medicare, the budget, gas prices... the list is endless - that are far more important than Dick Cheney shooting someone. But those stories - at least, in the eyes of the media - are not "sexy." They don't drive ratings. And so they don't receive as much media interest as they should.

This story, however, has been all over the media all day, and most people have not been complimentary. What's important is that the story hits all the criticisms of the Bush administration that have been growing steadily stronger over the past year. They can't shoot straight. They shoot before they aim. They're incompetent. They try to cover everything up. They think they're above the law. And it's all wrapped up in a "sexy" package - the vice president shot somebody.

The story has no positives for the Bush administration, and the media is all over it. That's very good news, even if the actual incident is essentially "meaningless."

[DemoTex]

5. Thanks EarlG

Our brains are both on the same frequency tonight!

Mac

[Beetwasher]

8. Bushco. IS One Giant, Irresponsible SHOTGUN BLAST TO THE FACE of the World

This story figuratively and metaphorically encapsulates the entire, incompetent, criminal travesty that is Bushco.

[sendero]

22. You know...

... I see it slightly differently.

There are indeed a lot of things going on right now, important issues facing this administration, both their future and their past.

But sometimes I think the Average American has virtually given up on understanding the details. It just turns into a he-said she-said, with no one to arbitrate (a function the PRESS used to cover).

But everyone from a college professor to Joe Six Pack understands that, yes accidents happen, but they happen most often to careless people. Don't be surprised if this story has more resonance and does more damage than you suspect.

[Garbo 2004]

23. Exactly! The incident is emblematic of this Administration in a tiny

media friendly package. They don't tell the public what they've done and when they know it eventually has to come out, they try to cover up what really happened with a prepared cover story, lie and blame the victim. They never admit responsibility in large things or small. Whether it's Plame or Katrina, they are not responsible and the victims are victimized again by their spin and lies.

[tishaLA]

4. I'm not anti-Cheney shooting posts

But I DO wish people would look around to see whether their posts would fit into an already-established thread before they post another. How many "Was Cheney drunk?" threads are sufficient?

[Vickers]

6. Seriously! Didn't William Pitt have a thread just like this already???

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Just fucking with you, DemoTex. :hug: and :spank:

[DemoTex]

10. Will and I think alike, so maybe he did.

But I missed it if he did. And Will Pitt and I met here on DU in May of 2001. Know what I mean, Vern?

[Vickers]

11. Oh, c'mon, I put all the correct smilies in there, man!

:P

[DemoTex]

14. What better smile than George P. Worrels?

I mean, Vern?

[DemoTex]

7. Nature of the beast.

It is cumbersome, board-wise, indeed. But those questions will disappear, exponentially with time.

Mac

[Steve A Play]

9. This is a more important issue than some here realize

Bush's 'Joe Six-Pack' base typically know little about what the average DUer see's as important issues. They're, by and large, just 'common folk' who are easily distracted by network 'spin' on complex issues. They know little about the law, foreign policy, or even their own rights under the Constitution!

If there's one thing many of them do know, it's hunting. They know the rules and they know the laws. When the Whitehouse or the media try to 'spin' this as the victims fault, it comes across as an insult to their intelligence. When you're taught from early childhood that you are responsible for where, when and what you shoot, and someone comes along and tries to blame the victim of a shooting to protect the shooter, it's obvious that they're being lied to. There's no 'plausible deni-ability' to hide the lie behind because real hunters know better.

If a person is at all honest, or even moderately intelligent, they can't help but wonder what else they've been lied to about. Even Joe Six-Pack knows this is an outright lie and no amount of 'spin' will change that fact.

Can you say "blow-back"? :shrug:

Steven P. :kick:

[DemoTex]

12. Very salient point, my friend.

Even Bubba knows that when he pulls that gun off the back-window rack in his Dodge Ram pick-up truck, sober or drunk, he -- and he alone -- is responsible for what happens when that breach is loaded and that trigger pulled. That, is a Second Amendment responsibility!

Mac

[Steve A Play]

17. To a hunter, you might get away with spinning a ban on assault weapons

as an attempt to 'take away their guns', just don't try to piss on their leg and tell them it's raining! :)

Steven P. :kick:

[benEzra]

25. Assault weapon:

Ruger mini-14 Ranch Rifle, banned by name by S.645 ("assault weapons ban")



Benelli turkey-hunting shotgun, banned by S.645 due to the protruding handgrip.

--benEzra, your friendly neighborhood "assault weapon" owning DU'er... :hi:

[meganmonkey]

15. LOL - fixation is the right word

Reminds me of the Schiavo thing. I spent more time hiding threads than I did reading them, it drove me nuts. But it went away, as will this.

Well put, DemoTex.

:thumbsup:

[DemBones DemBones]

16. "Cheney's Got a Gun"

Credit to Olberman (and Aerosmith) on that -- and imagine what Jon Stewart will do with this story tonight! Sometimes, ya just gotta have a little fun.

73

[Disturbed]

19. It may be hard to believe but...

Darth Cheney is a more consistent liar that shrub and he is smoother at, as well. This incident can colide right into the V. Plame outing that Darth was the driving force behind.

[Raine]

18. The first V Prez

since Aaron Burr to be involved in something like this, it's DISGRACEFUL!

[proud patriot]

20. we got to DU around the same time

I found DU in March or April 2001 ...

I think this will get people questioning WH statememnts in the future .
I mean they are blaming the victim here it just seems like to me that,
that is really stupid . It's a perception issue and people just aren't going
to appreciate that IMO.

:hi:

[Poiuyt]

21. I think Cheney shot the guy on purpose just to divert attention from

all the other administration scandals.

:)

[Straight Shooter]

24. The incident deserves scrutiny in light of Cheney's mental faculties

He has not been well, they have tried to hide his hospital visits or poo-poo the severity of his condition. We've all seen him looking like death warmed over. What medications is he on? I would not be surprised if one of those medications impairs his ability to assess and react appropriately under stress, especially since he should be under severe stress over the recent revelation by Libby about Cheney's directive to leak Plame's name.

Yes, Cheney should resign, not because he had an accident, but because he is not fit for the performance of his job. The cover-up makes it that much worse.

I'm wondering if Cheney went into a cursing fit at the scene.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

26. Many of the thread posters are trolls, IMHO. It's ironic, I don't know if

they really expect to "silence" DU on this topic, but their posting the "we should really leave the Cheney shooting thing alone!" posts are guaranteed flamebait and guaranteed to generate a few dozen more posts on the topic, LOL.

[eridani]

27. Remember Mr. Potatoe head, Dan Quayle?

That spelling bee incident ended his political career. It may well be that Fuddgate will do the same for Cheney.