HEADS UP: The Abramoff plea deal apparently names names

[WilliamPitt]

Reporters apparently have a copy of the plea deal, and that deal has the names of the Congressfolk involved.

It isn't up anywhere yet, so keep an eye out.

Note: The .pdf on the WaPo site is the charge, not the plea deal.

[Walt Starr]

1. Can you clue us into any names besides Dorgan

Since the media is only mentioning the one and only Democratic politician I suppose is named.

[bleever]

4. And Reid.

Though if he got a plea deal, he must have served up some real meat and potatoes, real actionable info on high-interest people.

[Walt Starr]

5. Nobody's mentioned Reid since the Plea deal announcement this morning

I'm supposing Reid was a red herring. Nobody has pulled out his name since this morning's plea deal was announced as far as I know, only Dorgan's.

[Beetwasher]

17. Reid Is Repub Propoganda

n/t

[Ksec]

80. Whoever did business with the devil

deserves to get his just due. Im willing to scrap a few of us for a bunch of them. Its time to clean house.

[WilliamPitt]

7. No idea

[WLKjr]

2. Can't wait to read about this when I get home tonight

Have you seen his mug on MSNBC??? looks like a classic mobster with that hat!

[jhain]

71. wtf with the hat?

it screams "GUILTY".

[napi21]

3. Here's a copy of the actual doc.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/abramoff-plea1.html

I haven't had a chance to read it all yet, but if there are names, they'll be in this doc.

[WilliamPitt]

6. That's the same doc as is up on WaPo

It isn't the plea deal. Those are the charges.

[Walt Starr]

9. We can infer from that document that everybody who went to Scotland

is named in the plea deal.

[KoKo]

25. Thanks for the heads up. What was released was disappointing in that

it only listed Rep#1. Are you sure there's more?

[carolinalady]

8. no names in doc-only referenced Representative #1 n/t

[Walt Starr]

11. If you read it, those reps who were on the Scotland trip

are in deep shit.

[bleever]

12. DeLay! Bingo!!

:woohoo:

[Oilwellian]

56. I don't think DeLay went to Scotland

At least according to the WaPo article:

DeLay has taken three overseas trips with Abramoff since 1997 -- to the Mariana Islands, Moscow and the United Kingdom -- and received more than $70,000 from Abramoff, his associates and tribal clients for his campaign committees.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/03/AR2006010300474_pf.html

On Edit: I have a dumb question...is Scotland considered part of the UK?

[bettyellen]

62. Scotland, Wales, Ulster (Northern Ireland) are all part of the "U Kingdom"

[Oilwellian]

63. Thanks n/t

[Beetwasher]

14. DeLay Was There!

Conventional Wisdom says DeLay is Rep #1, correct? :shrug:

[Walt Starr]

18. Burns and Ney, too

Looks like the GOP is in deep shit now.

DeLay will be facing a federal indictment. They'll all have to resign in disgrace like Cunningham.

[Beetwasher]

20. Happy New Year!

:thumbsup:

[Jawja]

75. Hope they get Hastert.

Don't like that bastard, either. He's Delay's puppet.

[Walt Starr]

26. Either DeLay or Ney n/t

[Beetwasher]

10. I Think Those Are The Counts

Not the actual plea deal. The only names in there are Abramoff and Scanlon and Representative #1 (DeLay?).

[Carni]

31. #1 is supposedly Ney

that's what they keep saying on CNN anyway

[mod mom]

35. Maybe Ney, who is Chair of the House Administration Committee (fed

elections, implements HAVA, EAC) has a few beans he might want to spill!

[Pirate Smile]

55. and MSNBC.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. I didn't see any names

I just skimmed through it though but I didn't see any name's.

[progressoid]

51. Thanks. will read this later.

[Pithy Cherub]

13. Ed Henry? cnn held up a doc and said the names listed

in the agreement (not sure if he was conflating the two)were Ney, DeLay, Burns. He said names mentioned but NOT listed were Dorgan and other democrats. H was trying to spin it as both parties while holding a doc in his hand that clearly named only republicans.:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Even when slapped in the face

They still try to blame democrats. :eyes:

[blm]

21. THIS IS WHAT THE MEDIA DOES DAILY - They LIE to smear Dems as part of

a story that they actually have almost nothing to do with.

[tishaLA]

34. He's a fucking pig

Show me, Ed. Show me! How the fuck are Democrats just as culpable as republicons?

[Spazito]

64. The CNN guy is franticly trying to smear the dems with absolutely

NO evidence. If the plea agreement names are the same ones he is reporting then there are NO dems listed so he is full of shit but what else is new.

[Dinger]

89. That Little Fucker Needs A Big Ol' Doug Flutie Drop Kick

Actually a drop kick by anybody would be fine.

[bleever]

19. Holy Moly! Steering the House wi-fi contract to the Israeli firm

is mentioned!


:nuke:


Stand back, everyone, this baby's gonna blow.

[Walt Starr]

24. That's pretty huge, would include most of a House Committe GOP

membership.

[KoKo]

28. I didn't see the firm mentioned in what was up over at TPM site...

but I read it quickly. If that's true then hopefully we can get into some of his lobbying for Israel. I was disappointed no mention of Russia or Marianis Islands, though.

[bleever]

32. That would be MediaAccess, formerly FoxCom, which jumped past

LGC at the last minute, despite extensive security review of LGC's proposal, and no know review of MediaAccess's system.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x39515

[txindy]

43. Follow the money.

[KoKo]

49. Thanks for the link....Mind Boogling...!!!!! n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

66. you think that gave the Israelis an ear into our government?

as they needed one, with the PNAC sharing everything with them to begin with.

Blow, baby, blow!

[stop the bleeding]

22. Thanks for the update are you gonna post the names here or on a

separate thread?

[EFerrari]

23. pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[xchrom]

27. ok -- now i'm getting all tingly!

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[bleever]

29. WaPo says Ney is "Representative #1".

Article now up.

[jasmeel]

46. Link?

[bleever]

72. Link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/03/AR2006010300474_pf.html

(Posted by Koko01 earlier).

[elehhhhna]

30. more, please?

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. A Lady on Franken's show RIGHT NOW just said Tom Delay's career is OVER!

Ney is going down with Delay and all their corrupt little cronies. She said the noose has tightened around Delay's neck AND he will be going to PRISON!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo: I think this ladies name is Melody?

She says EASILY 12 Congressman could be involved, but only a few big fish will fry because the Justice Dept. won't want to bother with all the rest. WTF?

[InsultComicDog]

36. I'll believe it when I see it

:kick:

[MagickMuffin]

37. Casino Jack Abramoff, featured on 2 nights C-SPAN

be sure to check out c-span!
This is suppose to be a call in show...
Should be interesting:popcorn:

SCHEDULE
Tues. & Weds., January 3 & 4
Two-Part LIVE Call-in Show on Jack Abramoff Trial Lobbying Senate Investigation
On C-SPAN at 8pm ET

[KoKo]

50. A call in show? I thought it was going to be a special...

Who wants to listen to those crazies who call into C-Span blithering about how great Repugs are and that this is all a witch hunt set up by Democrats.

I heard the promo this morning and thought it would have some substance. :-(

[MagickMuffin]

60. You should still tune in

because you never know what is going to take place. :eyes:

Tonight's focus is on the money
Tomorrow will focus on the influence peddling.

I think they will have a dicussion and then take calls.

[MagickMuffin]

88. I talked to someone at C-SPAN a little while ago

and asked about the format for tonight's programming. She informed me that it would be a panel discussion as well as taking calls.
Oh yummy!:popcorn:

[underpants]

38. Oh God please spare Daschle and Gephardt

Please God

[Walt Starr]

39. If there are ANY democrats involved, Daschle and Gephardt would

be two of the better ones as they no longer hold office.

[underpants]

44. There is a graph somewhere floating around

Daschle and Gephardt are among the top recepients of Abramoff's money ...hold it did they get HIS money or his clients' money?...anyway they were on the list. They are among the DEMS involved :scared: woooooooooooooo :scared: of course the Rpubs got over twice as much from Abramoff which in Enron math is a tie.

[KittyWampus]

54. DU'ers Need To Understand That Lobbying & Donations AREN'T ILLEGAL

it's the money laundering, stupid (using Carville's phrase).

[IndyOp]

59. Good job!

Thanks for the bucket of cold water -

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Spazito]

65. During the press conference, the selling of political influence

is also front and center in this case according to the Asst AG for the Criminal Division. It goes beyond money laundering.

[Qanisqineq]

58. yeah

I was thinking more along the lines of Dorgan and Reid.

I heard a while ago that they got some money but I didn't read/see any news for a couple weeks, I may be wrong or confused.

[yodermon]

40. kick

get this on greatest, 1 more vote!

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. K & R

:kick:

[LunaC]

42. Names

Not from the plea deal, but those "battling allegations"....

Besides Representative DeLay, who is already under indictment in Texas, other members who are already battling allegations over their associations with Abramoff include Sen. Conrad Burns (R) of Montana, Rep. Bob Ney (R) of Ohio, and Rep. John Doolittle (R) of California.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0104/p01s03-uspo.html

[mod mom]

45. How strange...they all have R's after them. hmmmh...

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Imagine that.

:eyes: It's coming home to roost and I am LOVING it!

[KansDem]

53. Yea, those "Rs" now stand for "Recipient" n/t

[stellanoir]

48. let's all "huff and puff . . .

and blow their house (of cards) down. . ."

[Clara T]

52. Count Two

[Mabus]

57. Here's a link to the DC court, has link to Jack's indictment

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov

If they put this much information up, hopefully they will publish the plea agreement and other documents related to this matter on their website.

[wicket]

61. Thanks for the info Will, you made my day!!!

:D

[jon strad]

67. Jeez, I come back from vacation and this story greets me

Wow, I hope this trend continues for all of 2006! I have to admit that I haven't followed this story as closely as others. Are there any good sites that neatly sum up this sleazy saga of corruption? All I can find are pieces of the story. But man what I'd give to have a peek at that plea deal. Thanks for the heads up Mr. Pitt. What a great time to be part of DU!

[stop the bleeding]

68. Welcome to DU and here is a site with a lot of different sources on it

this site is my homepage. Does not sum up your question but this will get you started.

http://www.solarbus.org/election/realnews.shtml

[jon strad]

79. Thanks!

That is a great site, definitely one for the bookmarks. I guess I have to just dig in, this looks to be the year where the shit hits the fan for the Republicans. :toast:

[Festivito]

69. Hey, have to be nebulous and carefully add "democrat" as a word.

Gotta keep that "both sides do it" going. (Even if it's soley RepubliCONs.)

[sabra]

70. Here's a PDF version of the plea deal:

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/01-06/0103plea.pdf

[IdaBriggs]

73. Just read the plea deal -- no names are named, but "Rep 1" and

"Staffers" can probably be figured out pretty easily by those in the know. It was a quick reading -- did I miss something? :)

[TacticalPeek]

86. Thanks for that.

:toast:

[DainBramaged]

74. CNN says Hastert JUST NOW returning his dirty money

[H2O Man]

76. Sure sign

of an honest man, isn't it?

[DainBramaged]

77. Notice Ney keeps making statement to press he is innocent

He'll be meeting Bubba in jail too.

[H2O Man]

78. I expect that

Duke C. will vouch for Ney.

[DainBramaged]

81. We now have the fertilizer, time to plant the crops

Time to make the donuts

Time to hoe the Field

Time to shell the nuts

Time to hammer the nails

Time to close the coffin

Time to bake the cookies

Make hay while the sun shines

Wash our sorrows away

Bury the hatchet

yadayadayadayada

[H2O Man]

83. My only regret

is that WC Fields is no longer alive. I think it is time to make a documentary on the moral fiber of the republicans in congress, and I am convinced that Fields would have been the single best actor for such a work of art.

[Ksec]

82. So when you rob a bank you can just return the money?

When you get caught?

[DainBramaged]

84. Thuglies think that

[H2O Man]

85. To be fair

he was just driving the get-away car. Once pulled over by the police, after a desperate attempt to get away, the driver was able to identify his partner in crime. This defines nobility .... at least in some circles.

[CarbonDate]

87. Hope to hear more.

:popcorn: