Ten burning churches

[undergroundpanther]

Considering a dark colored van was suspected by ATF as being connected with the church burnings,and nobody has been hurt in the church burnings..Wonder why ? Is it Psyops? And why would psyops burn churches ?
http://www.nbc13.com/news/6948984/detail.html

Christians have more cultural dominance and undeserved cultural deference than any other time in recent history everything in this country pretty much tolerant of christianity.


For some perspective...on what it is like for pagans this is recent events in Maryland Harford county a part of Maryland that sadly is tinted red. Ok in my county reading tarot cards is illegal(public prayer is not ,Christian counseling is ok too) Sadly all legit new age/pagan shops that open here within a yearn are run out of the county with damage vandalism and threats,shop owners are harassed, their cars keyed tires slashed..Police look the other way. A pagan display on private property( it was a green man halloween display are forced by the court to be removed because "it scared the children of fundie parents) Fundie assholes in harford county get their self righteous panties in a knot over Spencer's store in the mall!And Spencer's ships a ton of things to Cmart the local outlet..to appease these assholes. Also kinda recently there was a public new age symposium in my county..and sure enough they had a police presence to intimidate pagans.It was a psychic round table held at barns and noble to demonstrate and discuss ghosts,crystals, psychic phenomena and general new age stuff.So don't tell me christians are persecuted.
It;s FUNDAMENTALISTS persecuting everyone,just like the Muslim BULLIES rioting over a cartoon they don't like. Fundamentalists of all stripes are bullies at heart and they use religion to excuse domination..
Every bully screams persecution and "beliefs"as their excuse to suppress others and take their rights away.

http://www.bens.org/sw_ar051702.html
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/prophecy/warxian.html



You know some of the fundie baptists are itching for a "culture war".They resent everyone(like us pagans) who not like themselves and if they can't get what they want(dominance and suppression of others right to be and believe differently) by trying to overthrow the government and stack the courts..Like all deluded "martyrs" to their own power they'll incite their own brown shirts within the church....

Is it because the left will not be so easily provoked to retaliatory violence? What are the organization and orientation of the churches have been burnt ? Are they protean or authoritarian? The authoritarian zealot baptists are itching for culture war but just don't say it at every turn where liberals can hear.Who knows what paranoia and hate spews from their pulpits in private when they speak among the people who agree.. So are they doing their own version of the Reichstags fire so they will have their excuse to go forth and bash liberals and kill gays who won't play culture war with the religious bullies?
It's such a convenient excuse for fundie revenge..The evil church burning libruls..and the gubmint controlled by Satan won't catch the culprits Take gods law into your own hands boys and burn the witches and shoot the gays and torture liberals until they become fundies.

Fundies have been inciting rage against liberals gays pagans in their own fear mongering,persecution complex ridden Armageddon seeking, rabidly bullying zealot contingents they know damn well are in their own congregations ..Are they inciting them by burning church buildings..and collecting insurance $$$ and tithes from the sympathetic so they can get a megachurch..while they are at it?

I find evangelism and all forms of fundamentalism to be a personality sickness, it makes a person morally inferior .

You might not like such a statement,because of your own overvalued utoipian ideals of tolerance or getting along.But in reality you cannot build bridges with bullies, abusers of trust or authoritarians without causing harm. You just cannot.

If you think I am wrong, tell me what good contributions to a society does any rigid narcissistic,controlling,bullying,hypocrite,fantasy pushing,abusing,unreasonable,criminal,over ambitious,greedy,domineering, authoritarian personality,offer?

And likewise what good to society does the fawning enabling of bullies by irresponsible brown nosing,in denial over-obedient,unquestioning followers of idolized authority figures offer to ANY social relationship?

The Bible has too much war god chest beating excuses for tyranny in it's pages. It has hateful exclusivity and authoritarianism,even in Jesus's words. And it has too much obedience codified as "goodness" within it's pages to be ANY sort of moral guide for a civil sane society. The founding fathers agree with me too..

To me the bible has systematically warped the minds of certain personalities to make them worse,give them cover, to make society sick . These true believer con men bullies are dangerous enemies of a diverse civil society and cooperative healthy mutual relationships between different kinds of people..All religious zealotry,institutionalized,power based orthodoxies and all forms of fundamentalism and it's unspoken (sometimes championed)desire (couched as evangelism and outreach) to dominate others and make them accept fundamentalists is sickening..and all forms of fundamentalism are morally wrong,evil..and I myself find control freak evangelicals(of any religion) a dangerous blight on mankind's ability to cope with a reality that is uncertain and requires a healthy balance of individual freedom and community relationships...in order to thrive on a world with each other.

[NVMojo]

1. psy ops makes too much sense, the bush administration is that desperate

[undergroundpanther]

6. Bush did 9/11

To set up tyranny.. So It's not a stretch to see this as a instigation for the fundies long awaited culture war..How long until the leash these "leaders"hold is taken off the rabid foaming morally inferior bully boy zealots? When will they just destroy people they don't like with their "leaders" church and gods blessing taking away their responsibility for their actions like the chain of command does for war criminal soldiers in wars? You remember how nuts they got with Shiavo right? Ready to kidnap her shoot their way out and these fundies had an ambulance and police waiting..seems down in florida the evangelicals are in the EMT and law enforcement business.Looks like a cult controlled state to me.
Wonder how these Christian cretin criminals get off the hook so easy?
Cause they got friends.

[demnan]

2. Are they black churches?

That's a typical KKK ploy. Nothing new there.

[undergroundpanther]

3. Black AND white All BAPTISTS.

[mitchtv]

12. Reaping what has been sowed

a whirlwind of hate

[TheWraith]

15. Disgruntled former baptist.

I haven't heard about the last five fires, so I don't know about them, but the first five were all set at a spot right behind the pulpit. This suggests to me that the perp is probably an angry ex-Baptist who doesn't apprecciate what the churches were teaching. Maybe they were told that a dead loved one was going to hell for some reason. If I were the FBI, I'd be looking at members of the congregation of the first church that burned, and seeing if any of them have warning signs.

The second set of four fires, which all took place at black churches, may be different. I don't have access to the evidence, so I don't know if they were set the same way, but it's possible that these four were a copycat crime perpetrated by someone else--white supremacists taking advantage of the cover, perhaps. I really can't say.

On another note, the massive and unsupported jump to the idea that Bush is somehow responsible for the church burnings is one of those things that makes normal people look at us and say "man, the Republicans were right, these people are crazy." Please try to reign in the ultra-paranoid conspiracy theories. Bush is guilty of quite enough real malfeasence without assigning him the JFK assassination or blowing up the levees.

[undergroundpanther]

16. I didn't say Bush caused the fires

I said right wingers wanting a culture war and an excuse to beat up liberals and such probably did it.

Ann Coulter is screaming for our heads or to force covert us to Christianity. And the right wingers Eat that crap up that Coulter,Rush and Orielly say about us. That kind of talk is a THREAT to me and my life it's not a joke to me. And when some zealot asshole is screaming about their desire to go torturing ME because of a BOOK I take that as a threat to my well being and safety . It's not conspiracy. These southern baptist fundie assholes are nuts,they want to kill gay people, kill liberals, kill pagans and any other target the bible god does not like,(which is everyone but fundamentalists) and their bible justifies this hate and threats and war in their own minds,.There are fundies in our government right NOW who want to bring back Noahide law!And Noahide law state I must die.

This type of belief mixing with culture war and government is a threat to my life.And this threat is why I am wary and very mistrustful of true believers and I feel their moral character is degenerate and sick and they will do anything to get what they want.

[undergroundpanther]

13. Southern baptists are racist.

They just don't SAY out loud it where the wrong people will hear it..
You know what happened to Trent Lott...
Killing 3 birds with one stone I guess



1.Inciting Culture war,
2.Getting the race mixers intimidated..
and
3. Some pastor getting insurance $$ and gathering tithes from the congregations so they can build a new MEGACHURCH.

OR some church closing down because it was poor to begin with and a new asshole pastor seeing an oppurtunity,moving in paying the old pastor for his land and setting up another fucking fundie MEGACHURCH..
So the southern baptist fascist assholes can propagandize more hate and recruit new brownshirts to kill the gays when the culture war begins.

[leftstreet]

4. Where's Homeland Security on this?

These are domestic terrorist acts.

[undergroundpanther]

9. They will not find the perpretrators

Because they are Christian falangist asshole right wing zealots on the same team as Bushco.

[fasttense]

5. They were all churches that encouraged the mixing of the races.

This is such a typical ploy of the KKK and other Nazi like organizations that I hesitate to believe it is some other organization or a random lone arsonists.

[undergroundpanther]

8. I think

It's the southern baptists leadership. They want culture war and we liberals are not so easily provoked into giving these zealots and excuse to persecute us,dominate and control us as the dangers to society these rabid believers like to pretend to themselves that we are..They need some tragedy or usolved mystery violence to justify thier own preoccupation with persecution and domination that thier sickness and thier future christian nation fantasy hinges upon...

[malaise]

10. I've been wondering whether this

has anything to do with the sentencing of that old geezer who lynched and murdered Emmitt Till.

Sp.

[upi402]

7. They will round up the liberal suspects soon

and jail them for life without trial


improbable?

[undergroundpanther]

11. It's probable

I think more churches will be torched first..and remember this story has to be hyped on TV more,Right wingers have to get outraged and have nowhere to put the blame,They can't tolerate an uncertain epidemic a violent mystery ..The right also is incapable of introspection into their own ranks if it has a Jesus label on it,and the scapegoats need to be named,and the fear of liberals stoked. Just observe how this shit goes in the next few months.
I suspect the orchestrated backlash which is really just a contrived excuse to attack those who are different cometh.

[upi402]

14. spot on

The tribalistic tendencies of the conservative mind is manipulated by the right wing propaganda organ.
Oops, did I say -the right wing propaganda organ? I meant TV news.

"Order must be maintained! Somebody must pay! Those libruls are shiftless, just look at those ELF and ALF tarrists. I'm callin' the feds, my neighbor is one ah them librul activist."

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