Beware the Iran suituation

[Oversea Visitor]

If you think US can just attack and everything solve
US better thing again
Worldwide people is already sick of the abuse in Iraq
Iran will force everyone in the world to turn totally anti American not just anti bush.
There is noway to walk away from that kind of damage.
US will end up paying for this idoitic moves for decade.

The backlash from the people of these world will destroy all the US economy
Surefire way to damage all the US investment oversea.

There might be noway to stop this attack on Iran
Same as there is noway to stop massive anti American unrest worldwide.
And how long will US need to reverse that anti American hatred generated from such an attack.
All for what
A dumb chimp a walking disaster a perceived nightmare.
Wake up to reality cause you create such a massive outrage you might never recover from it again.

[PerceptionManagement]

1. No, the Iranians will die in place.

The rest of the world will bitch. Rove will try to parlay that into victory in the 2006 elections.

[Oversea Visitor]

2. You living in the wrong planet

This world does not begin and end with US.
However the choice is up to the American people
Maybe you need to check meaning of PARIAH.

[magellan]

3. PerceptionManagement is being facetious, OV

Check out the link to his/her site. I think we all know attacking Iran will be the kick-off to WWIII. Anyone who doesn't probably works for or supports Bush**!!

[The2ndWheel]

8. Who's living on what planet?

"This world does not begin and end with US."

Earth, right?

Not that I don't agree with your general point.

But in a way, you're correct about America not being the be all, end all. It's just the current, and temporary, vehicle in which power plays its game. When it no longer needs nation-states(at least half way there already), America, and every other country, won't exist.

[Oversea Visitor]

11. That statement

is more a reflection of the attitude of majority of Americans.
The perceive superiorty they feel.
Generally well travel Americans will tell you that is the general perception worldwide of American.

So the context of the phrase use is to tell the poster
he live in a self impose bubble of superiorty and ignorance of the world at large.

[Oversea Visitor]

5. Then do it and watch reality unfold.

You see American soldiers dying like flies in Iraq
So does it matter if you kill 100 million people
The more you kill the more fight you.
How many can US Americans father need to buried their sons and daughters.
And YES you be drafted cause it will blow out of control.

[caligirl]

7. Bush has never grasped the concept of insufficient bullets for his

irresponsible foreign policies. This is no republican, he is a monster.

[caligirl]

6. diversion of mass destruction, riding the military into the ground.

[tocqueville]

12. let him parlay oil at $200 the barrel

that will surely lead to victory, the general Shiite insurgency in Iraq too...

the question is victory for whom ?

[Strelnikov_]

4. You Are Truly Arrogant, Assuming We Need To 'Wake Up'

It appears to me that most of the people on this board have been wide awake for a very long time.

If you want to chastise, why don't you post on a Reich-Wing board. Those are the people that need to wake up.

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Airing my fear

If that is classified as arrongant so be it.
If what I say can help to prevent it by one atom
It is worth being call whatever.

The only opportunityy to reverse this is prevention
After deed done it be too DAMN late.

Silence in this case is not a virtue.

[Strelnikov_]

10. How Are You Preventing Anything By Preaching To The Choir?

Like I said, take it to a Reich-Wing board, then it will not appear to be simply narcissistic rambling.

[Oversea Visitor]

13. Haha

One will be surprise how heavily monitored DU is by none choir people.
The objective is merely to stimulated the thoughts process of looking beyond the mere fact of the ability to bomb Iran.
The need to be damage assements of such a move.
Bombing Iran is easy.
Just like invading Iraq
After that what?

[Oversea Visitor]

14. Sure would like to

But somehow one get booted out. If I can I would.

[pengu1n]

15. don't jump the gun

I have noticed a tendency for american DU'ers to jump quickly to smack down any criticism of the American left - and its ability to organize and oppose the current administration.

Get off your high horse guys. The US is about to cross another "rubicon". OV is just pointing that out. Preaching to the choir = maybe - but then 75% of posts here do just that!

We get together at DU to bitch about stuff with other people who agree with us. That's what keeps us all sane - knowing we are not alone.If your advice is - "go speak to the freepers" - then I would call you out.

Reply - engage - ignore - whatever. OV has a point to make. Listen - at least he is bringing a perspective you perhaps don't have.

[Strelnikov_]

16. Fine. Call Me Out. I Stand By What I Said. I Am Not Going To Let

a preachy vanity post like this pass without comment.

The vast majority on this board understands the implications.

So, yes, "go speak to the freepers", that is where a post like that 'may' do some good. Posting it on a site like this is simply taunting.

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Which part of you did I hurt

If any than accept my appologies.

[Strelnikov_]

21. In General, We Are In Agreement.

The geo-strategic implications go well beyound who wins round one. The problem is, most people in this country turn the channel after the end of the first round.

Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

- Sir Winston Churchill

[Oversea Visitor]

22. OK

:hug:

Your usage of round one is so true.
Basically one can say that this bush administration objective acheive with round one.
After that things become messy cause choas is hard to predict.
It is foolish to assume that reaction to such a move will be general acceptance.

How far can the disgust we feel as none Americans, be push on this?
I am sure that US can weather the initial outrage and backlash of the people around the world.
But the wounds and damage to US reputation might be beyond repair after that.

That is no the way to a harmonious world.
Distrust, hate and disgust they are all negative and these will be the only winners.
Not a fitting legacy to leave the future generation with.

[tocqueville]

17. agrees and sorry to say that the odds are not good

for the American left. You cannot defeat the "evil empire" by writing to senators or hoping for the "magic" candidate in the next election. Democrats are not a real party in the European sense. They are mostly an election machine, mobilized every 4 years.

You can only win by organizing a mass movement. That's how the African Americans won their liberty in the 60s. Charismatic leaders will always show up. But if if you don't control the heart and minds of your neighbourhoods, work together with the Unions, in one word have an everyday mass movement, Diebold will get you.

First you have to unite around a plattform and a clear political strategy with the broadest possible consensus. Publish a "manifesto" : "We the people" then rally the majority around it through demonstrations, organisations etc...

Then it will very, very difficult to move you out of office without using violence.

[Oversea Visitor]

18. Thank you

I never would ever be the silence majority
More like the foolish outspoken monority.
There is really no reward in what I am doing only risk to self.
But if we allow fear to silence us then this world future already gone.

[tocqueville]

20. a lot of foreigners are concerned

because what happens in the US concerns the whole world. What's going on is not a palace coup in Monaco. Exchanging ideas as a mean of free expression and proposing solutions within the frame of legality and non- violence, as a guest, is the least we can do. Because we share common ideals and owe a lot to the good guys that once were in charge.