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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:45 AM
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Choice
Some choices that people make...

    Lobster or filet mignon

    Red beans or navy beans


    A Jaguar or a Mercedes-Benz

    Fix the brakes or pay the heating bill.


    A 40” screen or a 50” screen

    Blood pressure medication or shoes


    A gated community or a penthouse

    Rent or food


    Cabo San Lucas or Maui

    The attic or the Superdome


Some people still say that 'choice' is a 'liberal' concept... and that poverty isn't a winning issue.

For the love of God, what are we trying to win?



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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 03:26 AM
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1. Eloquent
Thank you.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:56 AM
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2. ..
:hug: Thank you!

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:59 AM
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3. THIS post would make a FANTASTIC political ad.
:thumbsup: Nice, very nice!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:22 AM
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6. I wish it could awaken the consciences of those who are indifferent to poverty.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:11 AM
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4. Poverty
is the most severe form of violence, according to Gandhi.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:16 AM
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5. Yet so many remain indifferent. "Indifference, then, is not only a sin, it is a punishment."
The Perils of Indifference
Elie Wiesel

(excerpt)

In a way, to be indifferent to that suffering is what makes the human being inhuman. Indifference, after all, is more dangerous than anger and hatred. Anger can at times be creative. One writes a great poem, a great symphony. One does something special for the sake of humanity because one is angry at the injustice that one witnesses. But indifference is never creative. Even hatred at times may elicit a response. You fight it. You denounce it. You disarm it.

Indifference elicits no response. Indifference is not a response. Indifference is not a beginning; it is an end. And, therefore, indifference is always the friend of the enemy, for it benefits the aggressor -- never his victim, whose pain is magnified when he or she feels forgotten. The political prisoner in his cell, the hungry children, the homeless refugees -- not to respond to their plight, not to relieve their solitude by offering them a spark of hope is to exile them from human memory. And in denying their humanity, we betray our own.

Indifference, then, is not only a sin, it is a punishment.

(snip)

In the place that I come from, society was composed of three simple categories: the killers, the victims, and the bystanders. During the darkest of times, inside the ghettoes and death camps -- and I'm glad that Mrs. Clinton mentioned that we are now commemorating that event, that period, that we are now in the Days of Remembrance -- but then, we felt abandoned, forgotten. All of us did.

Complete text & audiois available @ http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/ewieselperilsofindifference.html



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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:16 AM
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26. !
:kick:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:11 PM
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17. Absolutely! Gandhi "got it" Now, how do we get USians and their reps to GET IT?
You'd think, given that this is the most religious country on earth, that this understanding would be central to ALL our decision making.

No wonder sometimes I feel really CRAZY :crazy:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:36 AM
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7. Maybe we need a video game like "Pacman" where tanks
eat children and elderly people and sick people. If people are used to responding to images not idea, maybe they need to be given many more of them.



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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:55 AM
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8. How about a virtual reality game?
Where the player makes everyday poverty choices?

(That photo.. a way of life in the 'wealthiest country on Earth'. :cry:)

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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:06 PM
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9. at some point most Americans choose to be either a
Republican or a Democrat.

Glad I made the right choice.

K&R
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:27 PM
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10. Along w/being Democrats, we need to live as Democrats.
This was once the Party of Economic & Social Justice. It's time to get back to that... time to start caring about each other again... in word and deed.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:35 PM
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23. Sometimes I just despair of the Dems getting back to their roots.
:cry:

It must come from the grassroots, and that's why I despair.. I don't see it happening here at DU.

:cry:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:31 AM
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24. It's hard not to despair at times, especially when some can so easily say...
... "poverty is not a winning issue." 37 million people aren't important enough to them. I don't get that kind of thinking, and I don't want to get it. It needs to change. Whether or not poverty is a 'winning' issue, it is a moral issue, one that we cannot ignore.

Look at Senator Edwards' campaign and you can see the Democratic Party being revived. His is the message of Social & Economic Justice... and we are the grassroots.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:01 PM
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27. I don't want to "get it" either!
It has to do with having a heart, not to mention soul, and that's the serious lack in this country.

:cry:

While I deeply appreciated his strong stand on poverty, I was on the fence for a long time about Edwards for some of the reasons others have suggested (but I NEVER attacked him like I've seen here!)

Now, I'm ready to give my total support to him and his campaign. After my disappointment with Kucinich, that isn't easy for me at all.

Of course, I know it will also leave me exposed to a lot of ugly comments here. Derned good thing for that new feature! :rofl:

{{{{{{{{{{Sapphire Blue}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:32 PM
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28. ...
I wonder about the Edwards bashing... if it's coming from the same ones who say "poverty is not a winning issue"?

Regardless of what the liberal elite (there, I said it!) say, poverty is a vital issue... and Senator Edwards' campaign is thriving.

(I think that new feature & I may become fast friends ;) )

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 01:01 PM
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30. I would like to get some clear and HONEST answers from all
liberals about exactly WHY they cannot care about poverty issues.

Last night I was told about one more homeless person who died out in the cold, and I have no more patience left.

Why is the war the only issue for so many? Especially when there are more people in the US dying from poverty and lack of medical care than are dying in the war???

I want some honest answers and dialogue!
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:35 PM
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11. Thank you Sapphire. K & R
Once again you are bringning us back to Reality.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:38 PM
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14. You're welcome, northamericancitizen.
:hi: Thank you for the K&R!

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:39 PM
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12. Beautiful. Thanks for this. nt
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:40 PM
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15. You're welcome, riderinthestorm. I appreciate your comment.
:hug:

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:42 PM
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13. K & R
:kick:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 02:40 PM
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16. Thanks, greyhound1966!
:hi:

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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 06:42 PM
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18. Very nice.
Thanks for posting this.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:37 PM
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19. ..
:hi: You're welcome.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:41 PM
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20. Beautifully stated,

and it speaks for me.

Thank You!

:hug:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 07:49 PM
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21. Thank you, Kajsa!
:hug:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:05 PM
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22. Your piece here shows exactly why I wish Sojourners and others would print
articles *FROM* poor folk, rather than only about them!!

This is so beautiful, clear and to the point.

I rail against this whole concept of "choices", because it's thrown at us so much. People need to GET IT that "choice" is a middleclass concept!!

Thank you for this bit of eloquence!!

:hug: :applause: :hug:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:35 AM
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25. ...
:hug: :loveya: :hug:

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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 02:36 PM
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29. Another Choice: Serve Them or Fight Back
nt
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