The PNAC shop is closing

[The Count]

FIKRET ERTAN
12.29.2006 Friday - ISTANBUL 01:46


The PNAC shop is closing
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists&alt=&trh=20061229&hn=39573
While the situation in Iraq is getting completely out of control, groups and individuals who encouraged America to attack Iraq, declare war on it and occupy it are trying to disappear and make themselves forgotten.

According to news, one of the most important of these groups, the PNAC (Project for the New American Century), has decided to close its office on Washington’s 17th Avenue. Very active with many people coming and going until recently, this office today has only one employee working to complete wind-up operations. The PNAC’s website has turned into a ghost site; only voice mail remains as an e-mail service.

[BlackVelvet04]

1. I guess their mission has been accomplished....

so they will slither back under the rock from whence they came and wait to reek havoc another day.

[Amonester]

2. Bingo.

Their material s**t house is closing.
Their spiritual sh*t lingers on.

[hippiechick]

3. Indeed. Someone needs to get a forwarding address ...

... so we can keep an eye on that group of cretins and make sure they never again get as much power as they were allowed to have during the Bush mis-Administration.

[bananas]

14. Federation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)--PNAC rises from the ashes

Here is there forwarding address: www.defenddemocracy.org
"Federation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)--PNAC rises from the ashes"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3120835

[magellan]

10. Yup.

And I don't suppose our new Congress has any more appetite for going after these war criminals than it does the ones in the WH.

[Emit]

20. It'll just morph into something else -- check out this figure -- sez it all

or morph back into the think tank it morphed out of.

Reminds me of this paper I read a while back:

~snip~

The main contribution of this paper is the attempt to quantify the inter-linked nature of the 14 organizations by cross-tabulating individuals with memberships in two or more of them. Examples: Richard Perle was associated with 10 of the 14, Jeane Kirkpatrick with 7, James Woolsey with 6, John Bolton with 4. Altogether 223 links were found between the 14 groups, where a link is defined as the association of a single individual with two organizations. Although over 650 individuals associated with the 14 organizations included in the study were analyzed, just 9 individuals formed 121 of the inter-group links, accounting for over half of the total. This concentration of the inter-group linkages suggests that a small number of individuals could effectively influence and coordinate the foreign policy impact of these organizations.

~snip~

From this old thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2381676#2383648

[KoKo]

30. Wow! That's good to see. Kind of went down the Memory hole and glad

you pulled it out. I remember we had some charts going about all these people and how they were related. From Rolling Stone Magazine, I think, but I haven't seen it around in a long time.

[formercia]

35. American Enterprise Institute

is my pony.

[Initech]

27. No, let's hope they stay closed. PERMANENTLY.

These assholes need to go back into the political obscurity from whence they came.

[liberal N proud]

4. They no longer need it because they 1600 PA

Why pay rent to some slob in DC

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. Thanks,The Count, for posting. Folks we have to keep PNAC closing shop front and center.

Why are they closing up shop?

Where are they going?

MKJ

:kick:

[lisa58]

6. They F'ed Up!

[Skidmore]

7. Not so fast...see my thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3120835

[malaise]

16. Thw whole gang of criminals is there

Good find.

[Zorra]

8. Avoiding the inevitable lynch mob, more than likely. n/t

[scarletwoman]

9. They've just migrated over to the American Enterprise Institute.

They won't be gone until wooden stakes are driven through their black hearts.

sw

[lligrd]

12. Ding Ding Ding

Exactly.

[Jacobin]

13. see Skidmore's post 7

they migrated like roaches to different tunnels, coming out only on sunday morning talk shows and writing their screed for influential publications

[scarletwoman]

18. Like roaches is right. Yes, I just read Skidmore's post.

They are one hell of a nasty infestation on our body politic.

sw

[WiseButAngrySara]

17. Or Defend Democracy...

annabanana (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-14-07 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
17. What we know of Lieberman should be filtered through
our knowledge of this organization (The new PNAC)
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies....

[annabanana]

23. Credit "Agony" who remembered the name of the group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3112154

(Thanks Agony)

[WiseButAngrySara]

31. Thanks annabanana and Agony! ....n/t

[Skidmore]

34. Thanks, annabanana, for crediting the who originally noted this group.

I started a separate thread because I felt the information that I read was too important to keep buried in a subthread. This group needs to be dealt with and any Dems who associate themselves with it need to get the message that they do so at their own risk.

[Karenina]

19. HALLO!

They put their shit out IN YOUR FACE, confident no one would notice. Too many proles have and NOW they try to run back into the closet. NOTHING will change until ALL of those who have public exposure on their behalf are indicted, convicted and JAILED and the "banking families" who enable them are EXPOSED and STRIPPED OF THE ASSETS THEY'VE STOLEN.

[Klukie]

11. They are only going into hiding......

They will never go away....their egos won't allow it

[WiseButAngrySara]

15. I hope they don't R.I.P. because they have brought war to

the world, with intent. Preemptive war on them...

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Self promotion: I pointed this out last April on DU, and got one whole reply

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x956104

For what it's worth, the Henry Jackson Society (which really was founded recently, unlike the Foundation for Defence of Democracies, which is 5 years old) is turning out articles, and has published a book ("The British Moment" - a laughably "Britain is the natural leader of Europe" screed), but its influence in Britain seems to have been nil - after the launch, there's just been a small nod to the book in the media, and nothing else.

[JHB]

22. Well, make sure the website is archived somewhere

...so we can throw their old papers back in their faces.

[fooj]

24. F*cking Liars. Look what we have here...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

<snip>




June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
<snip>
<snip>
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

<snip>

Lying, treasonous rat bastards! It's under New American Century. Bastards.

[mmonk]

25. It's no longer a project.

It's now US policy.

[fooj]

28. F*cking bastards.

Lying, treasonous rat bastards.

[Selatius]

26. Many of these people went over to the Heritage Foundation.

These guys don't go away. They simply change forms and approach you in a form you don't recognize.

[WHAT]

29. So, it's ending like a slasher movie?...

I'll be awaiting the hollywood sequeal

but I won't be expecting any fresh ideas...

[OneBlueSky]

32. The Apparent Re-birth of PNAC . . .

(posted by DUer Robbien on 8/13/06) . . .

The Apparent Re-birth of PNAC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1902044

check out also . . .

The Henry Jackson Society
http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/

and . . .

The New Citizenship Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Citizenship_Project

and . . .

Inside the Global Dominance Group: 200 Insiders Against the World
http://www.counterpunch.org/phillips02092006.html

[orleans]

33. "pnac's website has turned into a ghost site" ?? No it hasn't

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

it's still there, and the pages seem to be intact.

check it out

[medeak]

36. email was returned as mail box full

think it's true.

[orleans]

39. just because the mail box is full doesn't mean anything. i can never

email michael moore because of that, but his website is still there. however, i only found one article from 2006 on pnac.

did you click on the link i gave and go to their website?

[medeak]

42. yes..

have had their website for 5 years... and emailed the address there.

Have been quite successful emailing Michael Moore however re info for new movie?

[Rosemary2205]

37. these little scumbags have only moved on to a new name and office

Do we really think the people who started this shit will quit thier meddling?

I don't. Look for new organization same names someplace else.

[Oak2004]

38. Where there is Linux and wget, there can be mirrors ;)

I'm downloading the PNAC site now in case they ever remove that treasure trove of culpability.

I think I'll get busy with some of the web server work I've been sitting on: time to actually create the ex-republican site whose domain name I've reserved, and maybe pepper it with things like PNAC's crap.

[Greyhound]

40. Nope, just reincarnating as the "bi-partisan" Foundation to Defend Democracies

added all the corporate shills from the Democratic party and re-packaged the same old greed is good and the ruling class knows what is best bullshit.

[Norrin Radd]

41. The ideology was a smokescreen

for a big oil, multi-national mega-corp, and military-industrial money grab. Mission Accomplished, indeed.

[AtomicKitten]

43. somebody better drive a stake through its heart to be sure

[Telly Savalas]

44. Don't despair. I bet you can still buy PNAC coffee mugs on eBay.