Has the earth shifted on it's axis ?

[blues90]

You know with all this screwed up weather suddenly it's cold . This time of the year it was cold and plenty of snow where it was supposed to be .

I believe in global warming but I have to wonder with almost 4 years of bombing in the middle east if this has not shifted the earth at least a small amount .

I realize this does not seem possible but many things right now seem impossible and yet here we are seeing the worst unfold before our very eyes .

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[Az]

2. No. The jet stream has shifted from where it normally is

The Jet Stream keeps certain areas warm and others cold. And if it shifts it results in huge changes in the weather.

[Fridays Child]

6. And, because it's an El Niño year...

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/tg/wninojet/wninojet.htm

[Rex]

3. It would be reported all over the place if so.

I think our global ecosystem is changing and we are starting to see (and not just feel) the effects.

[WindRavenX]

4. very slightly, but it's not what's causing global warming

NT

[Warpy]

5. No. We're powerful enough to screw up the atmosphere

but it's taken us about three centuries of constant activity to do a good job of it. Even if we set off all the nukes the planet is cursed with in the same small area of the planet, it wouldn't be enough to either budge the planet's axis or disturb the orbit. It would, however, further screw up the atmosphere.

This is likely the combination of a strong el nino pattern plus continued global warming.

Remember, we in the southwest got the winter you're missing.

[Emit]

7. I don't know about that possibility, but have you heard of a possible magnetic shift? Very interest

-ing, and a little alarming, considering we don't know the consequences of such an event -- caught this on some PBS special a while back:

Next time Earth's magnetic field flips, compass needles will point South instead of North. But scientists can't say when it will occur, and until now they've disagreed on how long the transitions take.

~snip~


In the past 15 million years, there have been four reversals every 1 million years, or about one shift each 250,000 years, Clement explained. The last one, however, was 790,000 years ago. That might suggest we're overdue for a big change. Not necessarily so, Clement says. The flips are not periodic, meaning they don't adhere to a schedule of even intervals.

Yet the intensity of the magnetic field has been dropping for the last 2,000 years, and "it has dropped significantly" during the past two decades, Clement said. One recent study shows the decline in strength amounts to 10 percent over the last 150 years.

Flip in progress?

Some scientists speculate a reversal is underway. Clement said that's like forecasting that the bottom will drop out of the stock market because it's gone down the past few days. "We just don't know," he said.

Researchers also have not known how long it takes for the magnetic field to make a transition. Studies have suggested anywhere from 1,000 to 28,000 years are required to initiate and complete a reversal.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/earth_poles_040407.html

[marions ghost]

33. thanks for enlightening reply

n/t

[bananarepublican]

46. I recently read that it could be related changes in the Sun's magnetic field. n/t

[sandnsea]

8. arctic snaps happen

That's all this is. It's happened before. I'm just grateful I'm not living in -20 country this time around!!

[Road Scholar]

22. It seems to me, that the ice caps melting would shift the center

of gravity by re-distrubiting the earth's weight. But what the hell do I know.:shrug:

[sweetheart]

9. Its the clouds in front of jesus's chariot

You see the clouds of god, coming just like in the bible.

Revelations is the only truth.

That is why god controls the weather, cuz he's pissed off at bush.

;-)

[Selatius]

10. Heh, no, we're just pumping CO2, a greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere

Much of this carbon has been sequestered in the soil for millions of years. The last time it was circulating in the air was when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Back then, earth was tremendously warmer. The atmosphere was much thicker.

[mike_c]

11. bwahahahaha-- the northern hemisphere synchronized stomping project...

...is beginning to yield results! All your base are belong to us!

[blues90]

12. I did the same for you little wing

It was just question .

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. blues90, I felt it was a legitimate question

I wish I had the answer. I think that any activity on a large scale effects the weather, but I am not sure if it shifts the axis of the earth. When Krakatoa, a volcano in now Indonesia, blew apart in the 1800s, it created an ash cloud so large that it made the US have a summer that was unseasonably cool.

[Virginia Dare]

13. The earthquake of December 2004 caused the earth...

to "wobble", it also altered it's rotation. I'm not sure if that has any long lasting effects.

[Toucano]

14. Some say yes, and there are several causes:

"The world’s dams have shifted so much weight that geophysicists believe they have slightly altered the speed of the earth’s rotation, the tilt of its axis, and the shape of its gravitational field."

Deep Water: The Epic Struggle Over Dams, Displaced People, and the Environment
by Jacques Leslie



The melting of the polar ice caps will cause more water to be displaced.

I'm sorry some people treated your question so flippantly. It's a good question.

[GreenPartyVoter]

15. What about space things passing near us. Do they ever come close enough

to wiggle us around in our orbit? How close a 'near-miss' with a comet would move us, and how big a comet would it have to be?

[bananarepublican]

47. Do an internet search on Planet X. Very, very, interesting!!! n/t

[blues90]

16. Thank you

I was just thinking about the entire global warming from an un-scientific point of view .

When you think about all the ways man has reshaped the surface along with all the resources either sucked of dug up from the earth then it would stand to reason that bombings would have some effect even though the earth is a large ball .

What do I know , I was just trying to use common sense or un-common sense .

[peacetalksforall]

18. Don't scientists also study the weight of the northern hemisphere from

the dense population relative to reservoirs - with the lighter population growth in the southern hemisphere and find some problems and issues to worry about?

Am I going to be attacked?

[MonkeyFunk]

19. not really

We're not moving mass around the world.

When we build a city, we're not shifting matter from the Southern Hemisphere to the Northern Hemisphere. And even if we DID, it wouldn't make any appreciable difference.

The actual matter that we ourselves are made of comes from (generally) nearby. The stones and bricks and other materials of our cities generally come from nearby - almost entirely from the hemisphere.

There is no great amount of matter being moved from one hemisphere to another.

I think some people greatly overestimate the impact humans have on such things.

[shadowknows69]

20. Not a stupid question at all

and I don't pretend to know any science behind it but I do recall that when the devastating indonesian earthquake/tsunami took place there were scientists at the time saying that a 9+ earthquake could theoretically affect the earth's access. I rememebr there being talk about it potentially screwing up GPS devices.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. What is

the amount of energy released by a 9.0 quake vs. the bombs dropped on Iraq?

edit:

The 2004 indonesian earthquake, at 9.0, was one million times larger than the Nagasaki atomic bomb.

[stuntcat]

34. y'all are right

I'm sure it's easy to jump out screaming at the suggestion.. anything's a reason to fight, eh? :)

but I read a couple years ago about the Earth being overdue to shift it's axis. It scared me and I thought it meant the world would end and I wondered why no one else was freaking out but I found out more, that it might "just happen" ..
I remember the GPS stuff for sure..
Still I'd think there'd be a reference to it in the news.. but maybe I'm overestimating people's brains again :p

[stuntcat]

37. (and ice melting)

(I read the wieght of all the ice effects our stability/tilt/whatever, but I think a lot more ice would have to melt to make a difference)

[HeeBGBz]

21. Not yet

Give her time, she'll be shakin' us off like fleas.

[WiseButAngrySara]

27. LOL! ....n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. I think George Carlin said that exact same thing. nt

[stuntcat]

38. Right On, Go Earth!

:web:

[lovuian]

23. Edgar Cayce predicted a Pole Shift which has happen before

Solar Flare activity and other factors could be the cause and we have had extreme Solar Flare activity recently

But rest assure if there is a Polar shift the Mass populace of sheep will be last to know

Suppresion of Scientists and scientific data has been occuring all through Bush administration

[Bill McBlueState]

32. you're talking about the magnetic axis, not the rotational axis

If the rotational axis changed significantly, you'd only need to check out the altitude of Polaris from wherever you lived.

If the magnetic axis changed significantly, a compass would tell you.

Suppression of these would be impossible.

[dysfunctional press]

36. "they" (whoever "they" are- and "they" know who "they" are)-

couldn't hide or supress a magnetic polar shift- it would tend to fuck with A LOT of suddenly worthless electronic gear and gadgets.

[Bill McBlueState]

25. No.

Despite all the maybes and hemming and hawing in this thread, no. Astronomers need pinpoint accuracy when we point our telescopes, and if the angle between the ecliptic and the celestial equator or the location of the vernal equinox had changed in a way other than predicted, we would have noticed.

[Pathwalker]

26. Wouldn't the sun rise and set in different places?

Than what it had before?

[Bill McBlueState]

31. you're right

Where the sun rises and sets depends on your latitude, and if the Earth's axial tilt were to change, we'd all effectively be at new latitudes.

[Kelly Rupert]

28. No, not at all.

Earth is enormous. There is absolutely nothing that humanity could do to change the motion of our planet in any meaningful fashion.

[blues90]

30. You know little wing since I can't reply to you I do have a question

I wonder , and not to be rude , is it your mission to be the judge of what a useless stupid moronic post consists of ?

The title I posted should have been quite enough for you to realize it was a stupid post in your opinion so why reply at all ?

I am certain there were many others who felt the same way as you but they did not waste their time . As if it was all such a serious question I asked on a busy sunday .

[PADemD]

35. Description of La Nina and El Nino's Effect on Weather Patterns

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc98/7_4_98/fob4.htm

[LostInAnomie]

39. Years ago I watched a TV program about some guy that theorized it had before.

My memory of it is a little fuzzy, but his theory basically consisted of this: Instead of the Earth's mantle being completely solid he theorized that it may be partially liquid or at least amorphous. This means that the Earth's crush was essentially floating. This is where my memory gets a little shaky. He claimed that is certain points of history, when the polar caps amassed enough glacial ice and snow, it would cause the crust to become unbalanced. This unbalance causes the the polar caps to shift towards the equator which severely disrupts the climate around the world.

Now mind you, the only real evidence that he had for this theory was the discovery of ancient maps that fairly accurately map out parts of Anartica that are normally covered with ice.

It's kind of a crack pot theory, but it was kinda interesting listening to the guy make his case.

[seriousstan]

40. Thank God this isn't in the science forum.

:crazy:

[sammythecat]

41. No offense, but to suggest that

munitions exploding in Iraq could have a meaningful impact on a mass as great as the planet would be just silly.

I don't think we could even come close to doing such a thing even if we tried. It would be far, far, less than the impact of snowballs on the Empire State Building.

[Garbo 2004]

42. I guess you don't remember the US bombing campaigns in Southeast Asia during Vietnam.

Just some stats through the first Gulf War in 1991:

One can get some perspective on the scope of the Gulf air war by comparing it to some predecessors. The following table presents U.S. Army Air Forces, and U. S. Air Force bomb tonnage statistics extracted from various wars, compared with Air Force tonnage dropped in the Gulf War:


War Tonnage Length Tonnage/Month

WW II: 2,150,000 45 months 47,777.78
Korea: 454,000 37 months 12,270.27
Vietnam/SEA: 6,162,000 140 months 44,014.29
Gulf War: 60,624 1.5 months 40,416.00

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/desert_storm.htm

And that's just Air Force stats, not including other munitions by other branches of the military. I rather doubt the bombings (from all sources) in the current Iraq war has reached the level of Vietnam.

And no, the earth's axis didn't shift during Vietnam as a result of the bombings either.

[blues90]

44. Look , it was just a simple question

I have no idea how many insnae bombings took place but I do recall all the insane bombings including Japan with two .

Who can say that all of this has not done permanent damage and this is what I was refering to when I asked this question as shear speculation .

Yes I am aware just how large the earth is but we have finally seen the effects of global warming which seems sudden only because it is now talked about without dragging someone away from bringing it to light .

We have also polluted the oceans which cover most of the globe .

I am not a scientist , nore do I have any charts and graphs or the position of the axis of the earth . I have no idea how this would be measured .

It was just a simple question I asked out of shear speculation and curiousity .

Let me re-phrase it . The earth has shifted on it's axis as a metaphor since bush and co has unleashed their insane madness on the globe .

With all their insane bombings since they had bombs they have ruined the environment , the gulf war with all the spilled oil and fires clouding the skys and destroying the wetlands .

In Japan and now in Iraq for many years to come there will be deformities of horror .

However we the people just go on and all is forgotten unless one happens to live with one of these horrors man has willingly created .

I am not saying anyone here supports these horrors , all I am saying is who the hell knows what the reality is without years upon years of intense personal study .

[Garbo 2004]

45. Look, it was just an answer with information in which you evidently have no interest, however

relevant it may have been to your original literal question.

:shrug:

I didn't realize you weren't interested in actual information. Certainly "shear" speculation is considerably easier. Especially if one regards that science stuff as "unknown unknownables" ala Rummy. You know, things that can't be measured.



http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/why_glaciations1.html

http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050330_earth_tilt.html

Too bad. That scientific approach stuff is kinda interesting and even available to those who have an intellectual curiosity to pursue it.

As for "shear" speculation, some people say cows farting is the cause of global climate change. As Rummy would say, "Who knows? Who can say?" ;)

[Deja Q]

43. Or the tsunamis and earthquakes...

If we're toast, we're toast. It'll be the first time ever that equality is real and not just a phony buzzword.

[Tulum_Moon]

48. The tsunami did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I heard anyway!