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dogindia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:06 PM
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Far out idea. Is there a way to use psychology on Bush to get him off this Iran and world wide war
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 12:07 PM by dogindia
escalation thing. Fighting him only emboldens him. Ideas for countering this misguided power hungry...beyond neo con guy.

Anybody a psychologist at DU?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:08 PM
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1. I think it would take a bunch of reality pills distributed to AEI
to change Smirk. The puppet only does what his puppet master tells him to do.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:10 PM
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2. Self interest
He displays qualities of sociopathic behaviour. Thus others conditions do not serve to motivate him. The only thing that can motivate him to change course is how it affects him personally. Short of personal threats his best course of action remains escalation. Any thing else results in him having to deal with the consequences of his actions. To his understanding there is no advantage to backing down and the world to be gained by forging ahead.

If we want to shift his view then we would have to present a case where he could champion peace and a reduction in troops and at the same time not only save face but be seen as having made the right descision to attack in the first place.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:32 PM
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16. But the narcissist cannot change course. And his delusional
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 12:51 PM by cassiepriam
system now is that he is the savior of the Iraqi people and he must stay the course.

And yes only personal gain is a motivator due to his sociopathy.
But first you have to figure out what motivates this man.

I am not sure how he could be convinced that deescalation is his idea.
And the criticism of him only serves to force him more into his fantasy world.

And right now he is very angry,oppositional and defiant. He not only refuses to withdraw from Iraq, but he is going to escalate the conflict. That will show us I guess. Wonder what he would do if the Dems claim the surge is their idea
and they have wanted it all along. :)

Edit for spelling
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:36 PM
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19. Agreed
There is no way to shift his view from the bunker he has dug himself into without a mass scale gaslighting effect being performed by the entire population. We would have to do the Emeperors New Clothes in reverse. Not likely to happen.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:54 PM
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22. Yes not practical and also a dangerous game to play.
* is unstable and unpredictable. Somebody has to be in touch with reality.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:11 PM
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3. It'd require a 100% replacement of his "support group."
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 12:15 PM by TahitiNut
He's surrounded by enablers - a 'managed' narcissistic supply. Anyone not sufficiently enabling is being replaced.

Way back when, the best idea to come forth was "Turn Your Back On Bush." If that'd caught fire, it stood the best chance of precipitating a total meltdown of his psyche. If, for example, Congress were to rise en masse during the SOTU and merely turn their backs on him - or walk out - his fragile hold on 'reality' would fracture and he'd melt down. Never going to happen, sadly.

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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:13 PM
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5. Not really viable
His support group is just an externalization of his sociopathic tendencies. They tell him what he wants to hear and advise him to continue on with his ways. Or they are replaced.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:22 PM
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11. With the narcissistic PD it would be easy to escalate his current
decompensation. And yes it would involve more public displays
of criticism and less than adoring crowds. I think Bush is getting more
and more angry, more paranoid, more out of touch with reality.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:32 PM
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15. Damn that was a nice visual though while it lasted
Oh yeah he's on the brink if he isn't he needs to not be the preznit.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:18 PM
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25. Impeachment and a permanent record of high crimes against the USA.
That should dent his psyche. As for an immediate resolution I would say if he could see a hero status in would peace through
negotiation, but that would take a nervous breakdown first then a reconstruction of a man with sensibilities. During the breakdown he could have no access to power.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:12 PM
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4. We just need to figure out what his programming code word is.
;)

Catcher in the Rye is so old school.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:17 PM
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9. Send him a candygram?
:evilgrin:



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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:33 PM
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17. ...
;-) :rofl:
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:27 PM
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12. Psychology put him where he is.
Psychology can get him out, but it would take a huge impact.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 02:48 PM
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26. It's "ROVE".
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:14 PM
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6. Bush knows victory is at hand...
The Iraqi "government" is about to give away their rights to billions of dollars in oil to BP and Exxon. Which was the objective in the first place.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:15 PM
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7. Total breakdown
He's on the verge, anyway.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:17 PM
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8. Give
him a chainsaw and a bottle of liquor. That seems to chill him out a little.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:19 PM
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10. He should have gotten psychological help as a child.
I doubt if he can be so drastically changed now. Maybe the intervention known as impeachment could get the ball rolling though.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:27 PM
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13. We could use the Real Genius method...
http://www.kennedystuff.com.nyud.net:8090/real/images/kent.gif

Simply gas him to sleep, attach a radio transceiver to his dental work, then talk to him through it as if you are the voice of God. He'd do whatever you tell him.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:28 PM
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14. There would be signal inteference
from the transmitter Rove already installed in there.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:37 PM
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20. Gotta wonder. eom
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:38 PM
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21. You're probably right. Do you think he likes popcorn? - n/t
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:34 PM
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18. Shock Therapy?
Works on House...
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hashibabba Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:06 PM
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24. Good idea, but may I suggest a LOBOTOMY. Most
people really wouldn't notice the difference, though, I guess.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:56 PM
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23. Psychology requires that a mind be present in the target
And, does Bush have one?
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