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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:21 PM
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I Am Now One-Hundred-Percent For Impeachment.
I just watched the speech. I want him gone.

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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:23 PM
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1. He's psychotic, Dick is medically unstable. Amendment 25.
Say HELLO to Madame President!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:09 PM
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33. He's a delusional psychopath. Dick is paranoid & clinically depressed.
They're both unfit for office. OUT.
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gilpo Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:38 AM
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75. Right, except it won't be "our" madame President
I'm guessing that Negroponte's move over to State clears the way for Rice to replace Cheney after he "retires" for "medical reasons".
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:20 AM
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79. Joementum may well be our next VP.
I think it's very significant that Bush mentioned Lieberman and not McCain in this speech. I think Condi's going under the bus--she's clearly WAY over her head at State, and I don't think anyone in the Republican party wants to sacrifice her career to the inevitable Bush pardon that's coming down the road. $11.47 says Lieberman will be our next VP--because, you know, it's time for bipartisan healing. Bipartisan meaning the Republican party and the Connecticut for Lieberman party, of course.
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gilpo Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:13 PM
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86. Very interesting idea...
I hadn't thought of Lieberman. That actually makes sense when you consider that State has become the wasteland for banished administration officials. I wonder why Negroponte's going there. Maybe to militarize State? Going to foment more death squads through State?
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:44 PM
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87. DING DING DING!
Bush mentioned Lieberman BY NAME last night as having given him 'good advice'.

And gosh, how more bi-partisan can Bush get?
Lieberman IS a Democrat, after all... :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:
:puke::banghead:
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:52 PM
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88. But the Speaker of the House comes before Sec. of State
In the succession order.
The only way to get rid of these people is for all of them to go at once. I see a Nixon-Ford kind of thing happening, where Cheney resigns first, then they appoint a new VP. Then Bush goes but we are stuck with the new VP, say McCain (for the sake of argument).
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gilpo Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:27 PM
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91. Right, I was speculating that they would appoint Rice, though
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:23 PM
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2. He's fucking delusional!!!!!!!!!
And a asshole "big time" to boot. Argggggggh
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:23 PM
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3. if ever there was a speech worthy of impeachment!
This is definitely it.
He knows he is toast.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:23 PM
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4. You're not alone
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:24 PM
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5. He just does not give a shit about the troops
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:33 PM
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6. Kick, Kick, Hooray!
Hooray! Impeachment!

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:34 PM
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7. He is pure destruction
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:34 PM
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8. I'd say when a Leader does not represent his people, he is not their Leader.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:46 PM
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12. I'd agree
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:35 PM
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9. He has to go...NOW!
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:36 PM
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10. I agree... I was one of those who didn't want it...
hurt the nation, tie up govt, polarize even more....That was yesterday...



Today.. This post-turtle needs to be removed..ASAP..

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:34 AM
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57. Post Turtle!
Yeah, he needed help getting up there and now he doesn't have a clue how to get off. We need to help the poor widdle post turtle. LOL
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:42 PM
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11. Impeach Now!
Before I was willing to wait for the investigations. Now, I am not. I am as frightened for our country as he looked.

Don't Waxman and Conyers have enough to proceed?
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:47 PM
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13. Welcome to the club!
Any further investigations to explore the possibility of impeachment are nothing more than a waste of taxpayer dollars. Impeach the motherfucker, and do it NOW!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:48 PM
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14. You aren't alone, and you're not even close to being the last.
I expect an exponential surge in those sharing that sentiment.
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Norwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:49 PM
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15. I agree
Tonights speech tipped me 100% for impeachment. The man is unstable and needs go.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:54 PM
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16. You Think Dick Cheney Would've Given A Better Speech, Or Come Up With A Better Plan?
Personally, I don't think he would.

I hear ya on what you're saying though. I wish so much we could just wipe the slate clean of his stain. But reality matters, and in reality it not only just simply isn't going to happen any time soon, but the alternative of Cheney is even worse.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:06 PM
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17. Cheney would be consumed by the slime surrounding the criminal in chief.
When a president ignores his people the people's congress and his generals...he works for no one but his special interests.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:29 PM
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22. IMPEACH THE TYRANT!!!!!! That is precisely what HE is! ..n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:53 AM
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84. i think cheney DID come up with that speech & plan
bush is utterly out of his depth - he rolled the dice & they came up snake eyes. he hasn't a fucking clue what to do at this point, and frankly, neither does the ship of state - our empire is flailing about in its death throes.

our hegemony is dead, our blood & treasure poured into sand. just like every other empire of the past.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:21 PM
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18. Today it is very difficult to forget that this Pretzeldent was never elected-- TWICE!
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:32 PM
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23. I NEVER forget. And and I would probably have remained
oblivious if I hadn't found DU. The exit poll data was too overwhelmingly convincing, and I knew about SCOTUS 2000 on my own.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:23 PM
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19. I'm 100% with you on that!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:26 PM
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20. I've been on the fence impeachment-wise due to the clog it would cause in Congress.
Fuck the clog. This man knows nothing but war. He sees this nation in eternal war.
I feel after watching him that he listens to no one. He demands his own removal.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:45 PM
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28. I've been pro-impeachment since that little twit cheated his way into the WH.
Here's a post from a while back...

Contact your US Representative - IMPEACH BUSH: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1739608 (Note: the SOB number doesn't work anymore)

Perhaps it's time to repost.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:58 PM
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42. I think investigations will HELP the clog in congress!
If he knows we're getting the goods on him soon with increased oversight, and also others also know that they might be in trouble too, then I think they're going to be more apt to "play nice" with votes on other legislation instead of us battling it out and trying to work around vetoes, etc.

Emphasize to Bush that if he wants to fight us hard on other bills going through congress now, he's guaranteeing himself getting impeachment papers that much sooner! Pelosi has the upper hand here. She just needs to play it!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:00 AM
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43. Everyone! Vote up EVERY impeachment thread on DU now!
We need to send a message that that is what we're all wanting now! Let's make it VERY clear, starting here!
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:07 AM
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46. Right on...
I've been fairly cautious about impeachment and have stayed away from all threads on the topic...but after tonight...Impeach.
I'm calling my representatives tomorrow morning and following with letters.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:28 PM
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21. It's the only thing that will stop him.
He proved that tonight. Nothing anyone says, including the Generals on the ground can make him stop his endless war.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:38 PM
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24. Got The 67 Votes To Convict Yet?
Even then, that will take months...by then who knows how much more destruction this asshat will do. He's unhinged and impeachment doesn't scare him in the least cause there aren't the vote to do it. There aren't 16 Repugnicans who will vote to kick him out...no way no how. And as I've said in the past, a political impeachment isn't good enough for this war criminal...only a criminal prosecution is. This isn't done in the House or Senate, it's done in the Hague and courtrooms around the world. If you want justice, that's where it will take place.

The dude's now set a confrontation...and you're gonna play right into his hands. An impeachment fiasco would distract from what's going on in Iraq...allow this regime cover to conduct even more plundering (especially if they feel they're losing) and distract the corporate media who will look at impeachment as a personal thing...not based on illegality, but strictly on personality. And, again, no matter how they say one thing, few Repugnicans have the stomache or balls to vote to impeach one of their own, just like there were no Democrats in '98 who voted to convict Clinton.

And in the meantime, this ugly war slogs on.

It's time to follow where Senator Kennedy is leading...the gaunlet's been thrown, now let's get the GOOP on record on their support for this invasion and see if it squares with their "leader". When it shows they aren't, then we go after the funding...giving the cover to all who want to draw this ugly invasion to an end, yet not appear to be dissing the troops.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:07 PM
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31. A LOT of Republicans facing the voters in the Senate in 2008!
We need to remind them of that! It IS possible to convict I think if played the right way. We need to find the equivalent of the watergate tapes!
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:10 PM
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34. Once you can name the 67, we're ready. n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:42 PM
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38. I'm with you there, but there's a lot of targets to go after now!
Shouldn't give up before we start!
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:50 PM
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39. Absolutely. Don't give up. Just do the hard work first.
Do the investigations.
Make the case.
Get the people on your side.
Impeachment becomes a cakewalk.

as opposed to...

Start impeachment now.
Face public not understanding what your doing
Try to convince them after you've confused them
Senate acquits not seeing huge public support
Public points and laughs as you explain you should be re-elected.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:56 PM
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41. I completely agree with the "play to win" attitude!
I think people are right about doing one's constitutional duty, but as long as there's the opportunity to "play to win", I say we move through the investigation stage first and increase our odds of getting the bum out. That's the outcome I want, not just to say "Look dude, we impeached you!" and him basically ignoring us as he keeps brutalizing this country through the rest of his term.

The main thing though that I think we should all agree on is that FULL and COMPREHENSIVE investigations need to be started up by the best people RIGHT AWAY! I don't want to just treat it as window dressing like those from the impeach first crowd are worried about! I'm still dead serious about wanting to impeach the bums!
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:01 AM
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44. Thanks! I feel like half of DU is grilling me alive for these views right now n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:11 AM
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48. My bet is that we're a lot more on one page than we realize!
I think the impeach first crowd are speaking emotionally, but when it gets down to brass tacks, they'll also want to make sure we get a sure fire conviction as well as much as we're able to. And those that want to wait for investigations, are NOT wanting to have that be just cover to never do them substantively either. Down the road, I'm betting we're all going to be on the same page. As soon as Waxman finds his "watergate tapes" moment of investigation, there will be a grass roots movement like the world hasn't ever seen before I think! Those in congress will realize that if they don't go forward on it, there will be revolution happening in subsequent weeks.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:14 AM
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51. Yeah, I agree. I think the "impeach now" crowd thinks I actually want to save Bush from ipchmt n/t
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:17 AM
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52. I would imagine so.
I am with you as well. Though to be fair I do think the democratic majority needs to make these investigations their number one priority, as there is no time to waste.

Let's get so much evidence that there is no choice but to impeach and get the VOTES first.

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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:21 AM
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53. Likewise, yes, investigations should be a top priority. n/t
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:17 AM
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67. Yes; that's one of the reasons they won't vote to impeach.

The votes they'll be most concerned about keeping are those of committed Republicans, in primaries as well as in actual elections, and "traitor" is one hell of a label to carry into one of those.

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:39 AM
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83. It really depends on what the voter feels is a "traitor" then...
If we have some evidence out there like the watergate tapes that makes Bush and Cheney and those who side with him to look like a traitor to all but the most extremely partisan Republicans, they will be forced to find some way to stand up to this president or face being pushed out. That is why the investigations to get the proper evidence to assure that there's universal support for impeachment is so essential. That is when it will be done. Having that many Republicans answerable then is just what puts the pressure on them (or US!) for those seat races.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:41 PM
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25. The chimp will get the hook by April Fools Day.
The emperor has no clothes.

Absolutely NO ONE is believing this guy's bullshit anymore. And people are starting to get mad that thay are being lied to. I hear it and see it happening all over. He's a toasted, roasted lame-duck sandwich.

SR
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:42 PM
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26. Count me in! He has got to go!
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:44 PM
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27. It took this long?
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:03 PM
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29. I am with ya
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 11:09 PM by OnionPatch
Before I felt like it might be ok to let him ride it out as a lame duck rather than spend all the money and effort and go through all the political divisiveness of impeachment. I have changed my mind. Keeping him in office is a severe danger to our country. He must be impeached.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:05 PM
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30. My "Pelosi 2007" bumper sticker's going on my car tomorrow...
... next to my impeach sticker already there!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:08 PM
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32. where'd you get it - I want to replace my re-elect Gore with that!
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 11:39 PM by helderheid
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:40 PM
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37. There was only one or two last time I checked Cafepress.com...
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 11:43 PM by calipendence
but now there's a lot more!

I'd still keep my re-elect Gore for 2008 sticker though. That's whom I'm hoping for then. I never got a chance to put on my Russell Feingold 2008 sticker since he backed out shortly after the 2006 election ended. Sigh...

Check the following out:


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi+2007/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.96980908/pNo_96980908/id_16689837/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi%202007/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.99627087/pNo_99627087/id_16917640/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi%202007/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.87166382/pNo_87166382/id_15738137/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi+2007/-/pv_design_prod/p_2062251.87293652/pNo_87293652/id_15747965/fpt_/opt_/c_360/pg_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi+2007/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.87166552/pNo_87166552/id_15738144/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.87759373/pNo_87759373/id_15791308/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.98615496/pNo_98615496/id_16851198/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.98617428/pNo_98617428/id_16851049/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.86281530/pNo_86281530/id_15660778/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_


This was mine from earlier:


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi/-/pv_design_prod/p_1251196.26658669/pNo_26658669/id_8021676/fpt_/opt_/c_360/pg_


I might have to pick up a button this time around. They didn't have any good ones before...

This one looks nice!


http://www.cafepress.com/buy/Pelosi+2007/-/pv_design_prod/p_storeid.97969704/pNo_97969704/id_16774827/opt_/pg_/c_/fpt_

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:04 AM
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45. and I just made this (with plans to be much more creative!)
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:08 AM
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47. Hey cool, that's quick!
I noticed that CafePress.com's just started offering more colored shirt offerings. I'll have to go back and update some of my sites too!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:04 PM
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85. I had fun this morning designing for darker colors!
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 12:06 PM by helderheid




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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:11 PM
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35. You want impeachment? Start with investigations. Impeachment is the last step. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:50 PM
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40. Whatever it takes. He's ready for Iran. Get Him Gone.
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:13 PM
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36. video link from CSPAN who those who haven't seen it
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/iraq/iraq011007_bush.rm

:puke:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:46 AM
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64. what is "rtsp"? I can't open that link (n/t)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:18 PM
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90. realvideo
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 01:19 PM by rman
www.real.com

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:12 AM
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49. Good! Welcome to one of the fastest-growing clubs on Planet Earth.
We HAVE to press this case, with EVERYTHING we've got, starting immediately! Let's take advantage of the momentum while we have it! SEIZE the time!!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:13 AM
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50. Thank You, sorry I'm late to the table.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:27 AM
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54. I support Impeachment. (nt)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:31 AM
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55. I want him gone too!
Of course, I didn't watch but I know the gist of it.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:33 AM
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56. Glad to have you aboard.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:56 AM
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58. I've changed too. He needs to be impeached immediately.
He needs to keep the war going so he can retain his "war powers" that he uses to build his dictatorship.

We need to remove him as fast as possible.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:11 AM
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59. Anyone not willing to work toward removing this maniac from office...
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 01:13 AM by Zhade
...based on some unknowable vote count for impeachment is simply not helping.

The monstrous nature of this administration's numerous, documented and in some cases admitted-and-justified crimes is so egregious that anyone NOT voting to impeach his ass after the crimes are shown should be kicked right the fuck out of office by the citizens of this country.

I refuse to hear any more whining about "but maybe we can't..."

FUCK. THAT.

He needs to go. NOW!

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heldmyw Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 10:32 AM
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78. I agree.
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 10:34 AM by heldmyw
We will need a solid case of a 'high crime or misdemeanor'. Solid. One charge. Not an accrued bank of egregious behavior. The vast number of incidents don't matter, they're not cumulative. I don't care which charge, but it has to be solid, provable (of course), and moving to the American Public.

Next, we need all Democrats and 16 Republicans to vote for impeachment and conviction.

Then, Dick Cheney will become President. It is an illusion to imagine that it will be possible to somehow impeach Bush and Cheney simultaneously, AND convict and oust them, therefore Cheney will be able to name a replacement vice-president, thus slamming the door to Oval Office occupation by Speaker Pelosi. There simply isn't a joint charge that they can be brought up together on.

The same is true if Cheney is impeached first. Bush will name a successor. Forget 'Pelosi in '07'. It just won't happen.

Every day that goes by makes impeachment less and less likely since the race is now against the clock. The clock will run out on Chimpeachment sometime next year. There won't be time. After that, I doubt that there will be sufficient interest by the American People to pursue it.

The Hague? No jurisdiction in the United States. We are not signatories to the World Court. Considering their handling of Milosevic, I doubt they'd do anything anyway. No guillotines anymore, anyway.

Sorry but the failure of Fitzmas slapped a good dose of reality into me that no amount of cheerleading, sloganeering and ranting can overcome. I want a success dammit! Not another vain hope dashed on the rocks.

Time for a cold shower, rolling up sleeves and getting down to work on a rational, likely, plan for success, not wasting energy.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:45 AM
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60. K&R. Don't forget to let your Rep know we want George impeached.
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 01:45 AM by Kurovski
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 02:03 AM
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61. Impeach immediately.(eom)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:27 AM
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62. It's a moral imparative. * deserves impeachment more
than any one has ever deserved it. Not just George, but the whole gang.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:31 AM
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63. Yes but did he ever cheat on his wife?
That's the qualifier y'know, and then to be caught in a perjury trap.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:13 AM
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65. No blow job during W's reign unless you count the pages. n/t
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:15 AM
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66. Another brick in the wall.
Welcome to the club. His recent speech just strengthens my resolve.

He must be impeached.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/12

-Laelth
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:19 AM
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68. I've been 100% for impeachment for a while..
.... but I want to do it in a politically viable way, which means investigating, bringing the lies to light, and having a supermajority of the American people agree.

That's the only way it will be successful anyway.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:40 AM
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69. Count me in. America's future is in the hands of it's people....
...We must keep the peoples revolution moving if America is to be returned to it's rightful owners: WE THE PEOPLE. Our leaders can join in or get run over, that is their choice... The removal of these scumbags is key to America's future place in the world. Their conviction can be the harbinger of a great new age for our planet as many of the problems we face will no longer be blocked by these asshats.
:patriot: So far WE THE PEOPLE have only clipped the bfee's wings...keep going AMERICA, this fight is not over :patriot:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:43 AM
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70. We were told that Junior 'gets it'. He does NOT. He is Dangerous. Out NOW!!!
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:45 AM
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71. Doesn't this asshole know that his party lost the election?
He's determined to frustrate the will of the public. As I've said before, I don't really care if the 100-Hour agenda gets pushed back. I know impeachment will hurt the country, but it couldn't possibly hurt us as much as having this heartless, autocratic war-criminal in power.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, many times: Why aren't we rioting in the streets?
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:50 AM
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72. The fact that bush is sending extra troops
against the will of the American people, against the advice of generals ---against the advice of an advisory committee HE put together?

When will his actions be deemed treasonous? He needs to be pick up, placed in a straight jacket and dragged off to prison?
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:20 AM
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73. There's really nothing to investigate!
He's a crook, we know it, the iraqis know it and the whole world knows it. Theres only one thing left to do. ITMFA!!!!!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:35 AM
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74. Impeachment is better than sitting around and doing nothing.
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bajamary Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:55 AM
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76. Send the Twins
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curiousdemo Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:21 PM
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100. Get Y'all drunk asses out of..

Venezuela and put a military uniform on so we can ship you and yours to IRAQ.

:toast:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 10:29 AM
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77. impeach that fucking liar
Impeach the lying evil shit and his nazis.

He's squandering a nation's goodwill in an asian desert.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:30 AM
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80. this administration
needs to be gone for anything to change
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Ahgoo Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:31 AM
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81. Investigate, Impeach and Imprison
Those two liars must be gone!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 11:38 AM
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82. K&R...
IMPEACH THEM BOTH... IMPEACH THEM BOTH... IMPEACH THEM BOTH... IMPEACH THEM BOTH... IMPEACH THEM BOTH...
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:



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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:55 PM
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89. Lieberman is Bush's insurance against impeachment/conviction
The GOP keeps patting him on the head and complimenting him and eventually he goes over to the GOP and the GOP takes over the Senate.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:58 PM
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92. He looks pale and hungover.....
the BFEE can use the excuse that W is hitting the bottle again....must enter rehab along with everyone else....Gibson, Foley. It's the perfect out. A BFEE Intervention!

As an aside....I saw a pickup truck today (one with a cab on it). There was a huge message on the back window. The little boy is peeing on "Bush and the Republican Party." This is important because this truck was in a republican county in central Ohio!

The people have awoke and they're pissed!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:11 PM
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93. Kick(nt)
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heldmyw Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 03:13 PM
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94. Impeach...
We will need a solid case of a 'high crime or misdemeanor'. Solid. One charge only. Not an accrued bank of egregious behavior. The vast number of incidents don't matter, they're not cumulative. I don't care which charge, but it has to be provable (of course), and moving to the American Public.

Next, we need all Democrats and 16 Republicans to vote for impeachment and conviction.

Then, Dick Cheney will become President. It is an illusion to imagine that it will be possible to somehow impeach Bush and Cheney simultaneously, AND convict and oust them, therefore Cheney will be able to name a replacement vice-president, thus slamming the door to Oval Office occupation by Speaker Pelosi. There simply isn't a joint charge that they can be brought up together on.

The same is true if Cheney is impeached first. Bush will name a successor. It won't be 'Pelosi in '07'.

Every day that goes by makes impeachment less and less likely since the race is now against the clock. The clock will run out on Chimpeachment sometime next year. There won't be time.

After that, I doubt that there will be sufficient interest by the American People to pursue it.

The Hague? No jurisdiction in the United States. We are not signatories to the World Court. Considering their handling of Milosevic, I doubt they'd do anything anyway. No guillotines anymore, anyway.

The failure of Fitzmas slapped a good dose of reality into me that no amount of cheerleading, sloganeering and ranting can overcome. I want a success dammit! Not another vain but noble hope for justice dashed on the rocks.

Time for a cold shower, rolling up sleeves and getting down to work on a rational, likely, plan for success.
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Sukie1941 Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:35 PM
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95. How Do we Process an Impeachment?
Can the "people" instigate an impeachment of the president of the United States?

How do we go about it?

Anyone remember this from high school history class?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 06:45 PM
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96. Efforts are ongoing in a few states
Any state legislature can send charges to the House that must be acted upon. I think Vermont is furthest along and Oregon and NJ each have something going. There may be more.

You can get it started in your state. You're certain to find allies/new friends to help.

But I think what has the best chance to succeed is to keep calling, faxing, visiting/lobbying the Dems we have in Congress. They're just people. They know that it's the right thing to do. They just need to be snapped our the DC beltway fantasyland.

And always show your anger at their dereliction of duty.

Sadly, "Violence" is the Answer.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:07 PM
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97.  GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.

Right after GWBush is Impeached start the same proceedings against Cheney. Why worry if there are not enough votes in the Senate? The proceedings will show the American people the crimes of these Assholes. If the Rethugs or any Dems in the Senate refuse to vote guilty they will be held accountable. Doing nothing gains nothing.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:11 PM
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98. After reading the headlines today, I am also 100% for it!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:18 PM
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99. Today I am ONE -HUNDRED AND FIFTY PERCENT FOR IT !!!!
I am also reeaaalllyyy pissed.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:23 PM
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101. Glad to have you aboard. But, it goes beyond the Frat Boy
We must impeach Cheney, too.

And anyone else who's impeachable.
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