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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:34 PM
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"We need a clean world as much as animals do"
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Eric Ernst
We need a clean world as much as animals do

My mother-in-law used to say she would never trust anyone who does not like animals. That's good advice, especially from a mother-in-law. And although her reference pertained more to dogs, cats and her daughter's suitors, it holds equally true for wild animals and government policy makers.

Last week, we learned that polar bears have joined the growing number of species in danger of extinction within our lifetime. A global rise in temperatures is melting the sheets of ice the bears need for hunting, their reproductive rates are down, and they are drowning as they swim to find dwindling habitats of summer ice.

Scientists have known of this predicament for years. The latest development to make the news concerns a move by the Bush administration to include the polar bear on an Endangered Species Act list, which might trigger some belated protective action.

Working backward, the move signals a shift in the administration's stance on global warming, which to this point has consisted of denial.

First, a rationale for the listing would concede that global warming has caused polar ice to melt. Second, if emissions from power plants and automobiles have accelerated the warming -- and scientists believe they have -- then the Endangered Species Act might force the government to curtail carbon dioxide output.

That could mean cleaner air for all of us.

It's amazing that the resistance to this line of thinking has been so vociferous from Republican policy wonks, but money talks. Short-term, it costs less to spew pollutants into the air and water and to ignore the environmental consequences. So, we embrace the immediate gratification and leave the consequences for someone else to tackle.

Far from the northern reaches of polar bear country, we have taken a similarly arrogant approach in Southwest Florida with development. Clear-cutting land, stacking condos on the waterfront and filling in wetlands will eventually drive some of our wildlife -- manatees, panthers, loggerhead turtles, scrub jays and red cockaded woodpeckers are good examples -- to extinction.

Some policies border on barbaric, such as the one that allows gopher tortoises and other burrowing animals to be buried alive if a property owner wishing to develop a particular type of terrain preserves similar habitat elsewhere.

Yet, a stock answer to any protest generally falls along the lines of "You care more about woodpeckers than people."

It's not either-or. That's the point.

In a 1995 "Warning to Humanity," a group of renowned scientists predicted that one-third of all species living today could reach extinction by the year 2100. If so, the world would be a far different place from any we have known.

To conclude that such a holocaust would have little effect on humans is absurd. We may not realize the exact consequences, but we should know enough to acknowledge the importance of avoiding, no matter the monetary costs, such a scenario.

And in the words of a wise mother-in-law, anyone who argues otherwise should not be trusted.

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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:35 PM
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1. kicked and recommended.eom
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:36 PM
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2. Please take action:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:38 PM
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3. Nice! Will do/nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:51 PM
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8. Thanks!!
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:42 PM
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4. "you care about woodpeckers more than people"
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 01:43 PM by pitohui
that is an inevitable consequence of over-population, the woodpecker is special, people aren't

be that as it may, of course you are correct that people also need a clean environment, but the folks making the argument pitting animal vs. human don't give a damn about any people but rich people, who can live in their protected communities eating their special foods and costly drinks, so they figure this only kills the little people earlier and younger -- a plus as far as they're concerned

as far as i can tell, the rich would prefer that everyone else die at the natural, pre-technological era age of 40 and get out of their way

so if they make more money running a "dirty" plant and kill off some extra "useless eaters," as far as they are concerned, it's a double benefit for their class

as for polar bears, there will always be a few in their private zoos, i'm sure is their reasoning
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:48 PM
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6. Yup
I often shake my head when I hear romantic idealizations about "People should have as many children as they want" -anyone who has worked with good NGOs working in impoverished countries knows that the consequences of too many people is the life of each individual becoming of less value :(.
Thats when children get sold off, pushed into child labor, deprived of education and so on. It will happen here too. The planet does not have infinite resources and neither do most people. Its probably most unfair to the children who are brought into this world and then thrown by the way side.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:44 PM
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5. Whatever we do
we're going to alter the environment. We seek to control nature, not live in it. Have been for thousands of years, and not going to stop now. Our lives today depend on us doing it, so we must. No matter the cost.

"red cockaded woodpeckers"

Just for the name alone people, come on! That's like 5 or 6 double or triple meanings in there.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:48 PM
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7. I would like to think we can evolve
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 01:52 PM by nam78_two
to start minimizing that damage. And be able to live in some sort of equilibrium with our environment. I don't see it as all or nothing.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:59 PM
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9. Not sure what evolution has to do with it
But no, we won't minimize it. The only way to minimize it would be to stop doing what we're doing. Stop turning life into death. Stop the fear of want.

Until we find a way to attain some perfect state of existence, we're going to have problems. As long as we can, what we'll do is complicate those problems.
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:08 PM
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11. Agreed!
We can have a happy society acting as stewards of the planet. Our happiness and well being is not dependent on ruthless exploitation. Exploitation benefits the greedy few. Unfortunately, it's the greedy few who wield the power.

BTW, cool mother-in-law.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:07 PM
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10. seems like there could be a lot of good jobs in cleaning the environment
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 02:08 PM by pitohui
red cockaded woodpeckers take a lot of management, that's a good outdoor job right there

i wish we had a "new deal" of sorts to pay good people to work on the environment, study animals, etc. -- many people studying birds and new bird species are not paid at all, they have to find other work to put food on the table such as leading bird tours, which is great for the tourist but does keep the leader from devoting full time to the science

as it is, we live in a country of vanishing jobs and then people panic when the few jobs left are supposedly threatened by requirements for a clean plant operation

seems an environmental "new deal" would kill 2 birds w. one stone -- get people back to work and improve the economy, plus clean the environment too

trivia note: a cockade was a hat, actually very difficult to see this field mark on these birds even when they are quite low, which they are usually not
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:28 PM
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17. But if we kill two birds
"i wish we had a "new deal" of sorts to pay good people to work on the environment, study animals, etc."

If we gave them a fair chance, I'd bet the environment and non-human life could take care of themselves.

If we just gave up the need for control, life would still go on. Unfortunately, we seem to want everything. History shows us how that works out.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:11 PM
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12. Protecting the environment & taking action against global warming is THE moral issue of our time.
It should be a red flag when anyone denys it or diminishes its importance. Real Christians would want to preserve God's creation. Real conservatives would want to CONSERVE our natural resources.

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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:13 PM
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13. the problem is fundies don't care
they are all about use and abuse because in their fucked up minds, the rapture is going to come and make everything better.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:14 PM
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14. Animals have natural limitations on how far
they can go with multiplying and devouring. What is the limitation on the humans? I was reading a book on ancient man and how even they were running around slaughtering walrus for their ivory, until they were gone, and then moving to other lands to slaughter new ones, in order to trade for other valuables. We have been racing forward to a destination of ruin for a long long time.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:15 PM
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15. Thanks for the post nam
Kicked and recommended
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:23 PM
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16. Thanks Uncle Joe!
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 02:23 PM by nam78_two
:)
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