Did you know that Mississippi only has ONE abortion clinic and it's

[...of J.Temperance]

Now under threat? That's ONE abortion clinic in the ENTIRE state of Mississippi...The Jackson Women's Health Organization and they only have 25 people on their payroll.

Has your head gone into a spin yet?

Hey maybe Bill Bennett could help keep the clinic open, I mean we KNOW ole Bill's comments on how he supports abortion don't we? He could do an ad for the clinic on CNN...

Here's the people who are trying to shut it down...my goodness, the size of that Terri Herring's mouth, you could drive a steam locomotive through that tunnel.

Can Randall Terry's Operation Hope be that far behind in joining Terri Herring a-protestin'?

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051226/NEWS/512260358/1002/news

Here's the Jackson Women's Health Organization's website, they tell the story of how the pro-life crowd are trying to shut them down.

http://www.gynpages.com/jwho/

On Edit: The Feminist Majority Foundation is mentioned. I should add, that I'm a woman, but I'm NOT a Feminist, as in the "Burn your bra and hate men" Feminist.

On Edit Part Deux: The above comment about "Burn your bra and hate men" type Feminist...I was meaning people like Code Pink, Camille Paglia types.

I do believe that women and men are equal, so I'm a...Centrist-Feminist :)

[PDJane]

1. I am a feminist.

Since when did feminist become a dirty word?

Do I hate men? No. But I could really manage to hate the folks who think that all women are baby factories.

[...of J.Temperance]

3. I'm 100% pro-choice by the way

Which is why I posted this thread, so I could highlight that there's only one abortion clinic in Mississippi and it's under threat from the rabid anti-abortion crowd.

There are many sensible Feminists...but I was talking about the Code Pink, Camille Paglia et al type of Feminists.

I am allowed my opinion on this matter, surely? I wasn't meaning to offend anybody, sorry :)

[CTyankee]

27. I'm not taking offense but

you need to understand that this anti-feminist stuff has been used as a stick to beat all women who stand up for equality for a long time now. Altho I am sure you are pro-women's rights I'm just disappointed to see your echo of anti-feminism at DU. While we can all disagree on many issues, this one is basic to our having dignity and respect in our lives and in the lives of our daughters and granddaughters (mine are 10, 7 and 4 and I fear for them). Camille Paglia is not a feminist and I don't even know who or what Code Pink is. But I do know that if we don't stand together and proudly call ourselves Feminists, we'll lose what ground we've gained.

[...of J.Temperance]

29. Of course I'm pro-women's rights...I AM a woman! n/t

[CTyankee]

42. I'm glad to have you out there fighting

We need everybody in this fight. It really is all about our future, and our democracy's future. We've simply got to win!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

39. Amen, sister!

I will always be for equality before the law. I grew up when it wasn't so, and lived through the injustice and saw its consequences. I am very happily married, and my husband treats me as an equal partner-and we chose not to have any children.

[HockeyMom]

43. I consider myself one too

Married 31 years, two children, majority of time stay at home Mom, Pro Choice. Because I CHOSE to do all this. Nobody forced me to. MY choice. Right for me, not necessarily the choice for other women. What feminism is all about. CHOICE.

I would probably freak out the Fundies. Inconceivable (pun intended) to them.

[PDJane]

2. I am a feminist.

Since when did feminist become a dirty word?

Do I hate men? No. But I could really manage to hate the folks who think that all women are baby factories.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. They are winning

[...of J.Temperance]

6. What you mean, winning in closing the abortion clinic down?

Dammit :( What's wrong with these people? It's a woman's individual choice what she can and cannot do with her own body and it's nothing to do with anybody else...it's between a woman, her Doctor and her conscience.

I can't even get my head around an entire state only having ONE abortion clinic with 25 people on it's payroll.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

7. Yes, the antiabortion people are winning

very handily I'll add.

[tx_dem41]

9. You're close to ground zero, Grannie.

You should know.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

11. I suppose so, but I know plenty

of folks who get them here in No. FL with no problem. But then this is a university town.

[tx_dem41]

13. I was talking about down I-10 in Pensacola.

I've always loved Tallahassee. Any university town is usually a haven of culture and sanity.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

15. I'm not sure about Pensacola

they have the naval station. Must be some demand there, I'd think.

But I am right in the middle of some of the most abject poverty in the country. Gadsden County, to the West, has the highest infant mortality.

It's my impression, however (no link) from teaching teenage parents, that most black females choose to have their babies. And keep them. We work so hard to keep them in prenatal.

[...of J.Temperance]

12. They're

Hypocrites, many of them aren't pro-life, they think nothing of calling for abortion doctors and nurses to be shot dead...Paul Hill and that one up in Boston whatshisname Salvo.

[tx_dem41]

5. I believe that some other states have only one or two abortion clinics.

N. Dakota being one of them. This is how the pro-lifers will win "outside of the courts" and outside of our notice. Thanks for posting it. :)

[...of J.Temperance]

8. Well we know

That the pro-lifers aren't fan of "the courts" as Randall Terry's mob proved with the Terri Schiavo case.

I posted it because, we need to keep an eye on these people.

Removing a woman's right to have an abortion, even banning abortion will NOT stop abortion, it will just mean a return to pre-Roe v Wade days of backstreet abortions...and of course wealthy people will go abroad to have their abortions.

:)

[Book Lover]

10. If you are not a feminist

then you do not believe in the equality of males and females before the law and in society. If you do, then you are. Since you say that you are not a feminist, I can only conclude that you feel women are not equal to men.

[...of J.Temperance]

17. Nonsense

I do believe that women are equal to men...and as I pointed out I'm a woman.

I was actually refering to the Militant Feminist types, such as Code Pink, Camille Paglia et al. I think these sort of people have damaged the word Feminist by their militant actions.

[Book Lover]

18. Sorry, the language is clear

You are stuck with the rest of us feminists if you believe in our (women's) equality.

[...of J.Temperance]

21. I do believe in our equality, I also believe in shaving under my armpits

Hopefully you can see the difference, between someone who believes in the equality between women and men...and the other sort of "Feminist" who burns her bra and doesn't shave under her armpits.

I think we do need to differentiate between the two factions.

[Book Lover]

25. I disagree

Let's leave it at that, shall we?

[madokie]

32. I agree, I'm sure glad my wife keeps on shaving under her arms

and please don't start burning your bra's either hon.
No one should have any say over what you choose to do concerning your own body and life.

[...of J.Temperance]

35. Oh darn :)

Don't worry, I love my underwear, I'm not burning any of it.

The point of this thread is to highlight that women in Mississippi are about to lose their ONLY abortion clinic...so their RIGHTS are going to be taken off them.

I'm glad that you understood and understand that :)

[madokie]

40. I was refering to my better half, sorry. My point is that we agree.

Happy New Year

[sandnsea]

41. I think you're young

if I'm not mistaken, and perhaps to be forgiven as a result. And maybe have been intimidated and indoctrinated into believing there's some "other" kind of feminist out there who wants to force you to, oh I don't know, let your pit hair grow. :eyes:

Feminism is about stopping stonings in Africa. It's about stopping rape as a tool of war. It's about stopping forced abortions in sweatshops. And it's about saving the right to an abortion in Mississippi. If you're not a feminist in 2006, then you're not paying attention to the condition of women in the world. As long as a woman can be stoned to death for having sex outside of marriage, my freedom is in peril and I will be a feminist.

BTW, if you haven't lived without worrying about shaved legs and mascara, well then you just haven't lived. I'm free to do either, as MY mood determines. Every woman ought to be as free, whether it's body hair or sex or work or babies or marriage.

[WindRavenX]

49. way to buy into the RW crap about "those" feminists

"and the other sort of "Feminist"who burns her bra and doesn't shave under her armpits"

Wow. Way to go :rolleyes:

I'm a radical feminist and I don't do those things.

[msongs]

14. Is the clinic run by Bill Bennett? nt

[robbedvoter]

16. Not a feminist? Go back to the kitchen, hope you're pregnant and barefoot

You pretty much undermined any point you were trying to make by being so cautious about where you stand. Just curious - is Civil Rights Activist also a dirty word, or that one managed to get established? (Pssst: they both amount to the same meaning, BTW)

[...of J.Temperance]

19. I'm Independent and free-thinking...so the kitchen is not an option for me

I've not undermined any point, I'm 100% pro-choice, I'm 100% pro-Civil Rights Activist.

[robbedvoter]

23. But you accept the Limbaugh definition of "feminists"?

You are insulting everyone here - I for one am not interested in any of your opinions.
And, for disclosure, I do love men very much - just not those that taught you to hate yourself.

[driver8]

48. Please don't speak for everyone here...

speak for yourself. You don't know who is insulted and who is not.

A bit judgemental, aren't we? You just ignore the main idea of the original post because you are so busy judging and criticizing...well good for you.

[tx_dem41]

20. So I guess you don't have anything to say about the abortion clinic's

plight in Mississippi. Interesting. You sure you're a feminist?

[...of J.Temperance]

24. This thread was supposed to be about that Mississippi Clinic

That's the entire point of this thread, how important this clinic is.

Dammit :(

[Journeyman]

46. Unfortunately, threads on DU get hijacked for the silliest causes. . .

in this case, so people can criticize you for a single word which somehow they equate with negation of your purpose. It's quite sad, in a way. Better to have commented upon the nature of social conditions in Mississippi, and the unmistakable impact such a situation has on the rights and conditions of millions of women, than to have called out a single woman over her personal beliefs. . . especially in so ephemeral a forum as an internet discussion board.

Thank you for the OP. Maybe it'll cause some better thoughts after people have a chance to reflect upon it.

[fasttense]

22. Hey I burned my bra in the 70's, then found out how uncomfortable it was.

Seriously, who the hell cares if you burn your bra? Maybe your husband when you sag down to your knees at 80. But really what is that stereotype of bra burners? I'm a feminists, I've burned bras, but I love men and have been married to a great one for twenty-two years. We have two beautiful children and are happily married. So, tell me again about that feminist stereotype.

[...of J.Temperance]

26. I was meaning Code Pink, Camille Paglia types that's all n/t

[TallahasseeGrannie]

31. I stopped calling myself a feminist

when I read Andrea Dworkin. What had started in my 20's out being about equal rights and opportunities became more radical than I was interested in.

That said, I have never particularly been against the feminist agenda, but it is a label that personally no longer describes me.

But then "hot babe" no longer personally describes me, either.

[CTyankee]

28. You did burn your bra?

Was it in the "heat" of the moment or a planned thing? Sounds interesting!

[tx_dem41]

30. Interesting that most of you on this thread care about a word more..

than you care about the abortion issue.

Maybe you aren't pro-choice? Maybe you don't care because "it's just Mississippi"? Which is it?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

34. I am conflicted about the issue

so I just don't say much about it.

I think abortion is violence and I am against it. However, I don't want to legislate it. I personally believe it is a level of murder. But if I needed one tomorrow I would probably commit murder and I do want to be able to get one somewhere safely.

Will I take to the streets or donate money to that end? No, it is WAY too conflicting and distressing emotionally for me to invest in to that extent. Life is gray. So are my thoughts on this issue.

[tx_dem41]

36. I appreciate the openness reflected in your answer.

I believe if we were able to hold such an open dialogue more frequently, society would be a much better place.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

38. Well, I might eventually toast a bit for it

but it is an incendiary issue. The end and beginning of life..we have no guidance, really, but our own good sense. And that varies widely.

[Book Lover]

44. Maybe it's that some of us have made our opinions known when

this topic was first posted days ago.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Who the HELL has burned their bra since the sixties?

Seriously. Ya either wear one or you don't. Shit. Maybe I'll burn one of mine just to see what it's like.

This was posting in LBN a few days ago-- so thank you for reposting it as it is a travesty and a horror.

"Abortion clinic" Does this mean the particular clinic only provides abortions as health care services to women? Probably not.

I hate that term.

And I'm a man-lovin' in your FACE feminist.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

37. Sorry, but men and women aren't equal

But that doesn't mean that they should not have equal rights under the law.

I recall my mother in the 50s being told the reason she didn't get equal pay for equal work was because "men have a family to support. All you women want to do with your money is buy hats." My mom was a single parent, and things were really tough for her.

I recall when a distant relative was seduced by her minister about this same time. She became pregnant, and was denounced by her congregation, while the minister just moved his family (yep, he was married) to another church, where presumably he would be free to seduce again....she was forced to give up the kid for adoption, I think. That's one reason I always discount the arguments of the religious right-I've seen what really happens in these churches.

Personally, I think if men could become pregnant, suddenly choice would be considered a God given right by those who condemn it today.

[Nutmegger]

45. Frontline worked on something about this

It's called "The Last Abortion Clinic". Check it out: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/

[Sgent]

47. This entire situation

pisses me off even more than normal abortion issues -- its the Shiavo crowd telling doctors how to practice medicine.

About 5 years ago, the Legislature passed a law (it was a good law) to more stictly regulate outpatient surgery -- and requiring that anywhere that surgery is regularly performed had to be registered with the state, and meet certain minimum standards. The standards were based on the level of ansthesia required.

Level I -- Outpatient biopsies, mole removal, etc. Local anesthesia, could be done in Doctor's or Nurse Practitioner's office with BLS certification.

Level II -- Lung biopsies, fracture care, more serious stuff requiring regional anesthesia or sedatives (or both). Again, doctor's office but with heavier regs (physician, not only NP) and training/equipment requirements.

Level III -- invasive procedures requiring general anesthesia expected to last less than 1 hour-- liposuction, breast augmentation, colonoscopy, certain orthopedic surgeries, etc. Required constant attendence of Surgeon and Nurse Anethetist or Anesthesologist. Surgeon is allowed to be supervising MD for NA. Must have extensive monitoring equipment and ability to transfer patient to hospital in less than 10 minutes.

Ambulatory Surgical Center & Hospital -- everything else, requries JACHO certification, formal privlidging, etc.

The medical board decided that abortions fit into a Level II procedure, which seems reasonable.

Unfortunately, the legislature came behind the next year and defined abortion as a ASC/Hospital procedure. They left the definition of everything else to the legislature, but any procedure with the intent to end a pregnancy must be performed in a Hospital or ASC.

ASC's are essentially treated like hospitals in terms of regulations -- 24 hour care available, etc. No hospital or existing ASC will allow abortions to be performed.

[seabeyond]

50. thank you for clarifying your feminist remark. male has created

feminist as a dirty word and women are saying they are not feminist. wow, werent we easy to put in our place. for years i said i wasnt a feminist too. i bought into it along with the word liberal. until it dawned on me what bullshit that was.

want equal treatment, equal pay.........you are a feminist in my book.

and.... i love men

an edit: your original post on abortion. i know in texas they are few and far between. form what i understand in amarillo you have to drive a good two hours. not sure about all this now. this is what i heard a handful of years ago. they dont make them easy to come by that is for sure