Happy dead Ford day: nation mourns sad state of media

[specimenfred1984]

Good thing today was declared a holiday so the MSM could propagandize the hell out of a guy's death and use it to rewrite history. All it's doing is ramming home the idea of what sellout whores our big media outlets are. Say what you want to about Ford, pay your respects in your own way but, don't lie to me over and over and over again and expect me to believe it just because you repeat the lie a 1000 times.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. We do have reason to celebrate I guess

Happy Another Dead Republican Day!

[peekaloo]

2. Brave New World. The year of Our Ford!

[Lilith Velkor]

56. Orgy-porgy, Ford and fun!

:woohoo: :party:

[Rosemary2205]

3. It's so difficult to lose a father.

May his children find peace.

[Faygo Kid]

8. Look here, Susan, not at your brother.

Don't you just know her brother in the striped jacket behind her was making faces at her right before the pic was snapped - and his stone face is a little too perfect to infer anything else. Nice pic and post. Some of the posts here do not do credit to the posters; the inability to distinguish between Bush and Ford, Limbaugh and Brokaw, will make it tough for those posters to be effective advocates.

[durrrty libby]

21. That is an adorable picture. He was a nice looking guy.

[xultar]

4. This is a fucked up thread. I hope it gets locked. Your title is sick.

[specimenfred1984]

6. Our nation is sick and I'm just pointing it out

This entire use of Ford's death to lie to the American people is what's really sick.

[xultar]

11. NO RESPECT...None. Dead Ford Day...that is some fucked up bullshit.

[specimenfred1984]

18. I didn't declare it a holiday, get mad at who did

the repuke-in-chief.

I think it's sick, insanely sick which is why I pointed it out. Like I said, pay your respects in any way you want to but don't lie to me while you're doing it.

A man is dead and our pathetic media and "leader" is going to use it to lie to us -- THAT IS WHAT IS SICK.

[chimpymustgo]

43. I agree, specimen. And the propoganda ASSAULT, the LIES and rewriting of history

is PISSING ME OFF.

I call bullshit to the whole fucking death-o-rama.

[Name removed]

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[xultar]

9. IF you wanna go toe to toe with me let's fuckin go...but being a jerk asshole

disrespectful of death is fucked up I don't care who you are.

[brentblack]

16. Without a doubt....

...that is the worst comparison I have seen on this site...and that says a lot.


So...because someone is not happy about the way people are celebrating the death of a footnote in US politics - they must be the same as the French traitors who sold their own people out for a scrap of bread and a delayed death sentence? Good thing we are so tolerant here.....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. ...

"they must be the same as the French traitors who sold their own people out for a scrap of bread and a delayed death sentence? "

Actually, that sort of does sound like Republicans.

[Skidmore]

19. "Sound a little like..."?

I was thinking a whole lot like.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Sure.

Just replace "scrap of bread" with a tax cut for the rich and "delayed death sentence" with 3000 dead troops and you've got the Republican platform.

[Skidmore]

10. Thanks, xultar.

I'm with you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Meh.

So was Ford.

[specimenfred1984]

26. I guess you'll hate this thread too...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3023187&mesg_id=3023187

People have opinions, deal with it. And BTW, while I don't agree with the poster who is celebrating "the death of repukes", calling him/her names is exactly the behavior you're supposedly complaining about. Try to make some sense when you're not complaining about Condi's hairdoo.

[xultar]

27. Yes I do. Someone has died. People show no respect. I expect better of DUers

I guess I shouldn't.

Some DUers are no more compassionate than fucking ignorant ass Republicans.

That's sick.

When Freeptards fuck with Carter we'll have no reason to complain.

[specimenfred1984]

32. People have different reactions for different reasons

You never know until they are forced to make a decision, like Ford's decision to pardon Nixon-the-criminal and keep Chumley, Dumbsfeld and Barfowitz in power. I don't wish the war criminals dead, I'd like to see justice served and see them sent to prison for life.

There are dems who are pro-death penalty though, it's not a litmus test as some people would like it to be.

[BuelahWitch]

39. You said it!

[novalib]

47. OH, PLEASE!!!!

So we are just supposed to sit back and be SILENT like good little boys and girls.

Or, if we must say something, we are supposed to LILE -- JUST LIKE ALL THE NAZIS who spoke at the TRAVESTY at the National Cathedral!

WTF!!!!?????

And the reason we are supposed to do this??? Why, it's because "When Freeptards fuck with Carter we'll have no reason to complain."

Here's a NEWFLASH for you: CARTER was NOT Ford!!

Ford: PARDONNED Nixon

Carter: WON NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!

Calling FORD a SLIMEBALL is TRUTH!!!!

Saying ANYTHING nasty about Carter would be a LIE!

Surely YOU see the difference between what some of us are saying about SLIMEBALL FORD (TRUTH) and LIES that will be said about Carter when he dies!!

[hfojvt]

57. Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize too

Nothing nasty to say about Carter?

"As Indonesian violence approached genocidal levels in 1978 and its military supplies were running low, the Carter administration sharply stepped up the flow of arms to its Indonesian ally, also sending jets via the Israeli connection to evade congressional restrictions; 90 percent of Indonesian arms were US-supplied, on the strict condition that they be used only for defensive purposes." Noam Chomsky "Year 501" p. 254

[Goblinmonger]

31. Yeah! Fuck free speech. Fuck personal opinion.

What right does the OP think he has in stating an opinion about Gerald Ford? How dare he inidicate Ford might not have been a 100% fabulous man? Screw that. Let's shut up everybody who might say that.

[Rosemary2205]

33. I don't understand this

You want people dancing over someone's death to have "free speech" but you want the folks who think the comments are way over the top flamebait to shut up? So they don't get this "free speech"??

I'm confused.

[specimenfred1984]

35. Are you "grave pandering"?

by saying others are "dancing over someone's death" while you take the moral high ground of "I'd never do that so they should shut up?"

I'm confused.

[xultar]

36. I'm sayin. Isn't this some fucked up crazy ass sick shit.

[Goblinmonger]

38. Don't forget, though, you are advocating censorship

of that crazy fucked up shit. That's a whole, new, fun level.

[xultar]

40. Please...DU has censorship in the rules. So don't pull that shit.

[Goblinmonger]

41. You said, upthread, that you hoped this got locked.

Please explain to me how that is not a call for censorship. How that is not a hope that the views of the OP and those that agree with him (who are not small in number) are not heard.

[xultar]

42. I'm not saying I don't agree with the OP but they aren't being respectful...

there are ways of saying shit without being disrespectful.

[Goblinmonger]

37. When did you get back from the January Strawman Sale?

And why didn't you invite me?

When have I ever said that you should shut up? When have I ever said that people couldn't have the opinion that this OP was over the top.

It was said that the thread to be locked. THAT is censorship. Me telling that person that they are advocating censorship is not censorship.

You may not want to just jump into the deep end of the logic pool but swim around in the kiddy end first. Wouldn't want you to get hurt.

[Rosemary2205]

44. This is a private board.

Skinner and all have set the rules and censorship is involved. Over the top threads get locked, flamebait gets deleted all the time. Posters get tombstoned. Membership here is a privilege, not a right.

So your answer to me doesn't clear up my confusion at all because I still don't understand where "free speech" comes in.

[Goblinmonger]

59. Way to change your argument in mid-stream

Your initial argument to me was that I was advocating censorship of those that didn't like (i.e. those who wanted to censor) the OP. I told you that you made a strawman argument because I never advocated censorship of any point of view. Now we are talking about public vs. private actor. This isn't even you moving the goalposts, this is you switching from football to soccer.

But, on to your newest argument. I do realize that the freedom of speech only relates to governmental action and that I cannot expect to have freedom of speech on a private board. Not my point. My point is that people here are calling for censorship of an argument not because it violates a particular rule of DU (please show me that rule if it does) but because it "just isn't being respectful." That, to me, is not the type of censorship I signed up for.

[Rosemary2205]

61. Sorry I confused you.

I repeated your term of "free speech" - and my second post was to clarify my point not change it. Sorry I confused you.

People go to the mods complaining about posts they think are over the top all the time. I was simply confused about why that upsets you.

But whatever........

[Goblinmonger]

62. I think I expressed why I am concerned

This is not some flamebait post. This is not a troll. It is a legitimate concern of someone regarding the media's treatment of a dead Republican and their Orwellian handling of that Republican's past.

What rules have been violated?

And if someone want's to alert, then alert. The mods will make the decision. But calling for the locking of the thread within the thread seems a little draconian.

[LittleClarkie]

48. He has the right to post things that are not flamebait

we shall see if it gets toasty in here, thus violating the board rules, thus getting deleted.

[Goblinmonger]

60. I think it is kind of ironic

that the most "toast" is being created by the "bring it" crowd who are in opposition to the OP. And if the thread gets locked because of them, they will think they were right and the OP was out of line.

I'm just sayin'.

on edit: I want to make it clear that none of this post is aimed at you, just a response. I have always found your posts to be interesting and thoughtful.

[xultar]

63. What you don't get is most of us aren't in opposition to the OP. But it should have been said

more respectfully or don't you understand that logic?

Stop me if I'm moving to fast.

[Goblinmonger]

64. More respectfully?

How about this: "Bring it, Ford." Would that have been better? How about "Hey, Ford, am I moving too fast for you?"

Now, I don't have a problem with your tone to me. I can handle it. The problem I have is that you are the one who is coming in here tossing all the flame and then calling the OP flamebait. You are the one who wants to "bring it."

Why should I, or the OP, or anyone, respect Gerald Ford? Because he died? Big whoop. People die all the time. Should we respect Saddam? Am I glad another human being died? Never am. Do I need to take a day where I don't think he was a horrible president for pardoning his criminal buddy? No.

Would you tell Lenny Bruce to be more respectful? Chris Rock? Richard Pryor?

[T Wolf]

5. Any day a repuke dies (or is buried) is a good day to celebrate.

Though it's been hard, I managed to avoid the circle jerk of the media's ford-a-thon all weekend (including yesterday).

The high-point of the POS's life was the fame he got from Chevy Chase accurately aping his clumsiness.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[BuelahWitch]

14. And that's what the freepers say about Democrats

So what makes us different? :eyes:

[xultar]

15. Nothing. I'm not so sure they aren't posers. Here to give Rush something

to talk about.

[durrrty libby]

22. I feel sorry for people who can't give it a rest for one day

They are some sorry-ass fools.

[Goblinmonger]

30. The media and Bush are pushing this shit down my throat

I'd gladly forget about Ford if people would fucking let me. Since people are going to continue to lionize Ford and his bullshit actions, I don't think it is outside my rights and obligations to call bullshit on that lionization.

[durrrty libby]

46. Like I said......it is a shame the sorry-ass fools can't give it a rest for one day

[xultar]

52. True DAT!

[T Wolf]

23. to accuse a DUer of being a freeptard is supposed to be against the rules.

must not apply to the truly holy.

[xultar]

25. I didn't say a feeper I said a poser. Different. They said I was a French Traitor

no biggie to me. I'm not French nor a traitor. I didn't alert on them. That isn't against the rules to call anyone a French Traitor.

[Faygo Kid]

45. "The truly holy?" And you say, "Love the repukes, do you?" You are a hypocrite.

I asked the moderators to lock this thread because of the ugliness of the postings (yes, you). You are nasty and uninformed. At the least, don't whine about DU rules when you post, "Love the repukes, do you?" Bring it.

[xultar]

51. True that....BRING IT! I love it.

[Faygo Kid]

54. Well, mighty thanks, and I'm always looking for a fight.

I prefer having potato salad available, though. Light on the mayo.

[BuelahWitch]

28. So if some of those 3000 dead soldiers were "Repukes"

You're glad they're dead too? Because the only good Repuke is a dead Repuke? :eyes:

[xultar]

34. Yup. That is exactly what they are saying.

[Pathwalker]

66. This is almost INDENTICAL to the worst post I ever saw on DU.

Except, they used a nasty slur for African-Americans. You must be looking to out-Coulter Ann Coulter, else why would you be trying to be just the Quazi-Democratic version of THAT Hate machine? Or is it Malkin envy?

[brentblack]

13. 130,000 Vietnam refugess mourning

In the face of national disapproval, Ford allowed 130,000 Vietnam refugees, who would have been executed, imprisoned or sent to re-education camps after Saigon fell, to come and settle in this country.



To cheer the death of anyone as benign as Ford is rather petty, immature and sick. It is too bad when hatred of a few is spread to the many.


Seems like we spend a lot of time critisizing people for stereotyping certain groups and the do the same thing here...not much difference in my book.

[T Wolf]

24. Benign? Stop watching Faux news and learn the truth.

Warren Commission.

Life-long puke.

Nixon pardon.

More than enough to disqualify one from being referred to as benign.

[Goblinmonger]

29. I agree 100%

Was Ford the Christofascist bastards that we see today as republicans? No. Ford was actually a republican before the theocratic pricks we see today actually took over. Republicans could actually be pro-choice or, gasp, in favor of equal rights.

That being said, don't blow smoke up my ass. Ford was part of the problem. He pardoned Nixon. That sucked. Plain and simple. Don't give me this "he healed the nation bullshit." If he healed the nation, why did the voters vote against him in the election? Why didn't they embrace their great healer? Why did they go as far outside the Washington beltway as they could and elect a governor of a minor state? People were pissed at the pardon at the time and saw it for what it was. And don't even get me started on the Warren Commission. Additionally, take a look at the winners Ford brought into the major political scene. See any familiar faces?

It is like I have said many times on DU already. Would you be happy if someone pardoned Bush so that the "country could heal"? No. Same shit, different decade.

Stop pissing on my head and telling me its raining.

[Faygo Kid]

50. Lots of good questions. Why use the curses as crutches?

Seriously, I was struck by the fact that your questions are incisive and your insight compelling; your point of view is thoughtful, and "blow smoke up my ass" is descriptive, if gratuitous. This is a great post. You are too damned smart to rely on the easy words you use as crutches, particularly since your questions are the best I have seen. You cut to the chase. Do you really want answers, or to blow smoke? Of course, you will only get impressions, at this point. But I would welcome the dialogue.

[Goblinmonger]

58. Thanks.

I had to go back and reread it. You make a good point about the curse words, though I actually found that I held back more than usual. I think I take a page from Lewis Black, who I feel has the placement of swear words down to an art.

I do want welcome a dialogue. My style often seems like I am yammering for the sake of yammering, but I do welcome discourse and alternative points of view to my own. Though I honestly think that some of those question border on rhetorical they are so obvious. For example, the argument that Ford healed the nation seems so completely denied by the lack of his election.

[hfojvt]

65. If Bush and Cheney had both resigned by August of 2006

and the most decent House Republican was now President, then I might not be overly upset about a pardon of Bush. The actual problems of our country and our society are more significant, to me, than Bush. I'd like to see his policies undone and I'd like to see something done for the poor, for the uninsured and for the working class and for the environment. To me an investigation and trial would be nothing but a media circus which would be a huge distraction from real problems and real issues. And in the end, like OJ, it is very unlikely that a rich person with a good defense team is ever going to see any real justice. Alot of the really bad things they do, like Johnston wrote, are 'Perfectly Legal', but those laws can be changed, and the media structures that enabled this farce of an administration to go unchallenged can be changed too. I'd like to see the SOBs pay at the ballot box and at the box office.

[phusion]

49. "Dead presidents take precedence over live residents"

-Alfred Howard

[Faygo Kid]

53. "Precedegonce over live residents?" Like Livin' La Vida Loca?

That's a new word for me. But I like it.

[phusion]

55. lol...

New word for me too. Damn Firefox spellcheck...I didn't even realize it changed "precedence"!

Fixed. :)

[Generator]

67. The problem is

there is a expectation of respect for anyone that was president. It will be the same when Bush Jr. dies as well. (of course Ford compared to G.W. is not fair-as Ford's crimes are minascule in comparison)

The only way to PREVENT this mass approval, re-write of history is probably a revolution. YOU KNOW-tell the truth, get Bush impeached, get Cheney and Rumsfeld held for war crimes, see the LOOTING they have done of the federal treasury and start over, with NONE of them ever near any government body again. No Reagan's men coming back twenty, thirty years later, like we have today.

I don't expect that to happen. So expect the same in about 30 years for George W. Bush. Future, re-write-"Not the most popular of president's,however, he was elected twice by the American people, and he was a decent (oh that's a good one) man that helped this nation heal during the worst terror attack ever. We must remmember that."

So there you go. Also the IDEA that we had FAIR elections and that Bush was even ever truly elected will never be discussed if we don't bring that mess to light. Again, the respect comes with the office, because WE-the people choose this man to lead us. If we didn't well-too bad-because history goes with the winners.