Has DU ever been this divided?

[Seen the light]

Ladies and gentlemen, does it really have to be like this over Cindy Sheehan? Granted, I haven't been here THAT long, but I've never seen so much division here. Am I wrong to be worried when I see this?

[WI_DEM]

1. Were you here for the primaries?

[Seen the light]

2. No lol

Was it pretty heated then? I can imagine so.

[TomInTib]

4. Still wiping blood off the walls. The singed hair, however,.....

has grown out.

[medeak]

5. ditto!

you ain't seen nothing yet!

[hlthe2b]

6. Yup... those not here for those wars, "ain't" seen nothin yet!

[tsuki]

21. My first thought. LOL.

[xultar]

48. But at least we all supported Democrats in the primaries...now we

appear to want to damn all Democrats to hell.

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. LOL...ah, the memories! What fun that was.

Divided is too mild a word for the primaries. ALL OUT WAR fits much better.:scared:

[meganmonkey]

3. If you look close, there are only about 5 loud voices

on one side of this issue.

I think everyone is just bored and trying to entertain themselves, honestly.

I wouldn't worry too much!

Peace.

[Canuckistanian]

8. I think you've got it

I haven't heard too many substantive aguments.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Yep. This is just a couple of freepers giving us a welcome target...

I think the mods are just letting folks have target practice... :evilgrin:

[meganmonkey]

13. Even I'm joining in the fun

Getting it out of my system, I guess }(

[understandinglife]

23. Yes, though I feel a bit of sempithy as we all take our fun shots ...

:rofl:


Peace.

[redwitch]

46. you are truly a noble jester

tee hee

[tsuki]

26. Extremely loud. First they make Cindy an Icon, then they

criticize her when she doesn't do what they want. Cindy follows her own star. I admire her. You do also. And I admire you.

[meganmonkey]

Thanks tsuki!

:pals:

[tsuki]

36. We were heading back to Florida when you made your stand. It

was magnificent.

:yourock:

[Lars39]

27. Yep, just about count 'em on one hand.

[Seen the light]

31. I actually do think you're right now that I look closely

That makes me feel better. The same people start the threads about how much they hate Cindy, but they don't get much support in the threads themselves.

[chaumont58]

7. You must not have seen some of the posts for and against the DLC

There is a problem that will not go away. Its the gift that keeps on giving.

[EST]

9. Actually, I was just thinking how calm it is, around here.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. I think half to 2/3 of the Cindy related "division" is trollage. The

remainder is legit disagreement between DUers about Cindy. Just my opinion.

[Malikshah]

15. Ding ding ding!! We have a winner

Plus all these innocuous questions... :)

Ah, I love the smell of trollage in the morning, evening..whenever. Smells like...desperation!

[0007]

61. Me too! I wonder if anyone is keeping tract?

[demnan]

12. You didn't see us in 2004

When the primaries were on, it got ugly here. You just have to go with the flow. Even when people violently disagree with me here I still love all of you guys. Human beings are imperfect and we are a community of human beings.

[AlCzervik]

17. i remember well, that was the beginning of the end for GD and it hasn't

recovered yet.

[Pithy Cherub]

14. once upon a time, there was this "dem strategist" and all

hell broke loose. truly, it was a wild wild west show during the primaries.

[DancingBear]

45. LOL - I'd forgotten about him

"They're playing checkers while we're playing chess" - remember that gem??? :)

[Pithy Cherub]

56. LOL! You are etching the horror in my memory permanently!

The answer to one of those condescending posts, especially by ljm2002, was one of the best I have seen anywhere in the blogosphere. :rofl:

[remfan]

16. I've been here 5 years and this happens every so often

Don't worry about it, people are tense (with good reason)...you should have seen this place back during the Nader/Green/Dem wars, or before trolls were tombstoned. LOL, those were the DAYS.

[Just Me]

18. Aw, shucks. We're not divided. We're just,....VERY expressive.

:7 Seriously. We even "make up" when we're especially expressive. Honest.

[MuseRider]

22. LOL

:hug:

I don't think I was mad at you but :hug: anyway just in case.

[SmokingJacket]

19. We're always divided -- it's okay!

Yes, the primaries, around when I discovered this place, then the Bev wars... ah, yes, the good old days...

:hi:

[IndyOp]

25. *I* *can't* *believe* *you* *said* *the* *B* *word* !!!!

YOU INSENSITVE JERK!!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


Edited to add more exclamation marks!!!! :hi:

[SmokingJacket]

29. Ooops!

:spank:

[carolinalady]

30. I missed the primaries, but I was here for the Bev wars...fun

and a good way to kill the time when all other subjects get exhausted! I think that is what is going on here right now-I mean how many times can we rip into Bushco lies that they never get called on without jumping off a roof? There is a lot of supressed anger here that can't be directed where we really want to send it.

[Erika]

20. Democrats don't march in lockstep

Was it Will Rogers who said "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a democrat"

Speaking for myself, what unites us is our passion to do the best we can for our country and our citizens.

[stop the bleeding]

24. We are divided according to the Rethugs - we all have liberal opinions

[meisje]

28. Some people don't like the circus act it's becoming

What does it matter, we're all freepers or trolls I guess

[BamaLefty]

32. It's good I think

If I wanted other people to think for me and if I wanted to have idols stir up Kool-Aid for me to drink then I'd be a Repuke and post on FreakRepublic... I'd fit in nice there.

This is a great time for DU.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

33. I think that it is about this divided now.... a deep dark chasm sits

between us.... wtf???

34. People love to disagree

you should see some of the blissful posts, that go down like rocks. It is the divisive ones that catch on fire.

[H2O Man]

35. Gosh, never!

We need something like a good death penalty case, a female teacher having sex with a teen-aged boy, Christianity, or perhaps the presidential primary season to bring us back from the very brink of a disagreement. Now, if the female teacher were to be found guilty of being a Christian, and was sentenced to die in the electrical chair, then by George we might unify in support for her being our choice for VP. Even then, one can't be too sure. We aren't all teen-aged boys, you realize.

[Erika]

38. I disagree

You haven't taken the woman's wants/needs seriously enough. Why are you singling out women? Do you have a problem?

(ah, the joy of being a democrat)

[H2O Man]

40. In other words

you are advocating the forced sterilization of impotent men! Government Bush (R-FL) warmed this would happen if the demoncrats got their way. "A Clockwork Orange" reprised.

[Erika]

41. "impotent men" is an oxymoron

Haven't you learned anything here?

[H2O Man]

42. Most men like to think

they are impotent. We play an impotent role in world history. That's why we deserve the respect we give to each other. God is a man. It says so in the Old Testicle, I think in the Book of Genocide.

[Erika]

47. Pat Robertson is now posting!!! Bring back H20 Man

But then this is a pretty good assessment of the bush chronicles and theology studies.

[H2O Man]

50. Okay .....

maybe there's more teen-aged boys around here than I realized.

[Erika]

52. Darn, you're back.

Pat was an enjoyable change of pace.

[brainshrub]

37. I remember when all DU was united.

not.

[w8liftinglady]

39. we don't walk lock-step

that's the beauty of DU.We learn from each other.In the end,it inspires us,and sometimes helps us drag our asses out and do something.

[Name removed]

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[lonestarnot]

44. Don't worry be happy, Cindy can take it she's a big girl and DU is a big

place.

[MakeItSo]

49. I've disagreed with some of her moves

Like getting really friendly with Chavez, and accusing Clinton of being as bad as Bush because he imposed sanctions on Iraq, which she claims killed millions of Iraqi children (that figure has never been independently verified as far as I can tell).

But she made it all back in spades with the arrest during the Fascist Monkey's the State of Disunion speech.

President Dimwit lying through his teeth about the need for people to be willy willy nice to each other while his Gestopo henchmen yank and bruise poor Cindy out the door.

PRICELESS!

Don't get down on people who have low post numbers, by the way. I'm finding after a little more than 200 that posting here is compulsive and not a terribly productive way to spend one's time. But I can't seem to resist... the DU force ...

[Erika]

53. DU is very therapeutic and educational

Most of us have been totally politically frustrated since W's (s)election in 2000 and his re-selection in 2004.

I live and work in a very red state where most employers are also very red. There is little freedom of speech without fear of retaliation.

DU provides me a safe haven to say what I really think about W and politics.

I'm not a clucker, I still have my Kerry/Edwards yard sign up. But I am very inhibited in my place of employment and many social settings.

[lonestarnot]

60. You poor thing....

:-(

[lonestarnot]

59. May the force be with you! and Welcome to DU.

[txindy]

51. Have you counted the tombstones given out today?

The freeper invasion hasn't exactly been subtle. Not all of them had low post counts, either.

Since the Capitol police dropped the charges and apologized to Cindy for arresting her even though she broke no laws, I would imagine some folks here would have the sense and grace to apologize, as well. I won't hold my breath, though. :eyes:

[OnionPatch]

54. Yes, it has

Whoever said democracy was going to be all clean and polite?

Here's what I do: :popcorn: Enjoy!

[SOS]

55. Divided, bickering, arguing, debating....

Until election day.

:)

[file83]

57. United we stand. Divided we fall.

[davsand]

58. There were Nader wars and the Green battle at one point.

We've also seen some pretty ugly times here when it came to the issues of abortion or gay rights. I'm not EVEN gonna get into the whole Primary war between the "Deaniacs" and the "Clarkies" either. Some of those fights are STILL going on (rather like the Civil War or the War of Northern Aggression as some call it.)

My point is, that as an older DU member, I'll tell you that flame wars go on (and on) here all the time and I expect they probably always will. This is the nature of both politics AND internet message boards. When you combine the two you should probably expect that it will not always be a happy gathering.

I dunno--maybe I'm somebody that has been at this too long, but, it seems to me that it is impossible to be involved at all in politics and not end up cross-ways with somebody at some point. I DO think that the early days of DU saw more civility as a general rule, but we still had some pretty ugly flame fests happen. I remember when DU didn't even really HAVE mods other than Skinner and Earl and Elad--and we functioned.

I do think that we have some people here who are newer to politics. I also think that maybe some of them are pretty passionate and, at times, unreasonably idealistic. I don't see that as "bad" just different than many of the folks that were drawn here in the early days of DU.

I'd be interested to see what Earl or Skinner think on this subject. Other than the higher level of sophistication here, I wonder what they think of DU and its changes (or non-changes.) I hope one of them pops in to offer some insight from the Admin's perspective.



Laura

[La Lioness Priyanka]

62. ha ha! clearly you missed the primaries here.

[Jeanette in FL]

64. This is what Democracy looks like

That is what being a Democrat is all about. We are passionate, we have different opinions, we are expressive, we get angry, we yell, we demand, we cry, we make up, we are family. If we all marched in lock step we would be called republicans.