NBC - SADDAM TO BE EXECUTED WITHIN 48 HOURS

[kpete]

NBC: Saddam to be hanged by Sunday
Ex-dictator’s execution expected to be carried out by start of Eid holiday

BREAKING NEWS
NBC News and news services
Updated: 7 minutes ago

Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, sentenced to death for his role in 148 killings in 1982, will have his sentence carried out by Sunday, NBC News reported Thursday. According to a U.S. military officer who spoke on condition of anonymity, Saddam will be hanged before the start of the Eid religious holiday, which begins this Sunday.

Saddam’s sentence, handed down last month, ordered that he be hanged within 30 days.

Earlier Thursday, Saddam’s chief lawyer implored world leaders to prevent the United States from handing over the ousted leader to Iraqi authorities for execution, saying the former dictator should enjoy protection from his enemies as a "prisoner of war."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384738/


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[MrCoffee]

1. "Date With Death"? WTF is that?

is there a video clip of Brian Williams dancing a little jig?

[mr_hat]

47. That's what the Decider has been orchestrating. >

NOT his New Year's resolution. Guarantee it.

[Jack Rabbit]

2. Will he be wearing a gag until then?

[Judi Lynn]

14. You bet not one member of the press will every have a chance to ask him

one question, not ever again, ever.

The truth will die with him, just the way the Republicans want it.

[tridim]

Sure, some truth will die with him..

But the important truths are already documented and unscrubable, although never discussed for some reason.

[lapfog_1]

57. Got to kill him before someone in Congress subpoenas

him and requires that he be made available for interviews, either before Congress or in the jail where he is being held.

[Jack Rabbit]

63. We don't need to ask, Judi

We know who supplied him. We still have the sales receipts.

Of course, he might be allowed a few last words. If so, he will no doubt disappoint those of us who hope he will point a finger. My bet is that he will say that he dies the legal president of Iraq, and that he is innocent of all charges because as president he had the legal right to murder, rape and torture, and yaddie yaddie yada.

I would have preferred he received a fair trial in an impartial court, but I have no doubt he would have been found guilty. I'll shed no tears.

[hippiechick]

3. CNN (I think) said 36 hours.

International Deathgasm Begins !!!


:eyes: :puke:

[Beaverhausen]

4. Oh god- I fear for what our soldiers over there will face when this happens

of course, I fear for what they face now, but there will surely be an escalation in violence.


Shit.

[LiberalinNC]

6. Well if it's NOT civil war now...it will be holy war once Saddam is killed!

[MrCoffee]

8. i don't forsee a whole lot of tears being shed by most Iraqis

we shall see, but personally, i don't think this is going to be as incindiary as some.

[pitohui]

19. i agree w. you mrcoffee, i don't expect any tears for saddam

saddam was a secular leader, he has no friends among the various religious hysterics who are already blowing the country to hell and gone

i don't think he'll be missed, he wasn't well liked, he was widely regarded as a nasty piece of work, and probably the sooner he's gone the sooner he'll be forgot

i'm only sorry he didn't decide to tell all he knows about rumsfeld et al. before croaking, as someone says downthread, the bfee will be glad to see a material witness to their crimes gone

[WinkyDink]

138. Iraqis might just be missing him, right around now.

What hath Bush wrought?

[Beaverhausen]

22. Well I hope you're right

I just think there are still some loyal to him who will use this as an excuse.

[Midlodemocrat]

64. I agree with you. I think there is a faction who was lukewarm

about him prior to the invasion, but now see it as a source of pride for their country.

I mean, if we *really* search our souls, if the US was invaded, even those of us here wouldn't be all that pleased at a foreign country hanging our *president*.

JMHO. YMMV.

[Jack Rabbit]

69. I agree

Shortly after Saddam was taken prisoner, I wrote a front page piece for DU stating that it would not be a turning point in terms of the Iraq insugency. My thesis was simple: The insugency had little to do with Saddam; his fate was a red herring.

Nothing has changed.

[Neshanic]

5. Oh brother. Our poor men and women in Iraq.

[POAS]

27. Don't forget the

innocent Iraqi men, women and children in your prayers.

[bdamomma]

101. those Iraqis who have the money and means are getting the

hell out of Iraq, it was reported on the Newshour tonite. One woman packed her bags and her two sons and left for Syria, her husband is there already. And our troops are still there, for what fucking reason. and what mission? and what objective? Bush is a sick sick man.

[Rex]

7. Rummy is now a civilian and can't have a material witness like Saddam

hanging around. It would be different if Saddam were Club Fed material like Noriega, but he ain't.

To many meetings with the bagman.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

32. My thoughts too

And we helped him kill all those Kurds. killing him is a big mistake.

[Jcrowley]

9. What a fuckin' sick parade

Look at that image msnbc has up there. That's vulgar. Some macabre media death orgy. Have they arranged for the hanging to be in prime time with a full media build-up and maybe Janet Jackson in tights singing America The Beautiful and maybe a few emotional human interest stories of Saddam as a kid told by the fireside.

[Higans]

105. It's gonna be pay per view....N/T

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. They sure are in a hurry now

aren't they.

That's why Bush is stalling to give his big speech.

[bdamomma]

103. yea, they are in a hurry, but Osama is still lurking around huh

bush never mentions him huh?

[Lucky Luciano]

11. Something fucked up about this...

They are killing someone who can incriminate *.

[stillcool]

67. oh boy...

I wasn't expecting it...:rofl:

[Infinite Hope]

116. lol n/t

[jimshoes]

12. I feel less happy about

his imminent demise than if he' been sentenced to life in prison. I do not feel justice will be served in any meaningful way by the simple act of killing him. Better to let him spend his days wishing he were a free man.

[pitohui]

24. or to spend his days arranging to pay off someone to set up a hostage situation?

i would not want saddam in jail "for life" only to see on the news that 40 people on an airplane in east bumscrew, iraq are going to be blown to hell if saddam is not released

[jimshoes]

61. Since no one can know

what the future will bring, it seems somewhat pointless to be talking about hypothetical future situations. The same could be said that his execution might just trigger revenge killings. No one can predict with 100% accuracy.

[Totallybushed]

157. 100% accuracy

is not required, and as you say, is impossible. Decisions must be made on probabilities and educated guesses, and, on occasion, your best WAG (wild ass guess)

[elehhhhna]

68. Yep. In fact, lets' just kill everyone in Iraq. Let's kill ALL our mistakes.

Your logic ain't working for me, dude.

[beam me up scottie]

77. What's wrong with that?

It worked for us with the indians, remember?

[napi21]

13. Sometimes I wonder about these news channels. MSNBC said 36 hours,

NBC is saying 48 hours, and a while ago on CNN, I heard one reporter saythey really don't know if he has already been hanged and they're just not releasing the information.

Some days, I wonder why I even watch this stuff!

[Judi Lynn]

17. That wouldn't be a surprise, after all. We've learned they are more devious than any people

we've ever seen before in public life. What a mockery of civilization.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. This makes me sick...

absolutely f'n sick... x(

[malaise]

16. A complete and total violation of

international law and the treatment of captured prisoners. Please world Impeach Bush or get him to the Hague. No wonder Blair is hiding in Florida.

This is beyond evil.

[Totallybushed]

21. Hanging Saddam? Evil?

Not in my book!!

As for Bush, well, I agree, but good luck with that. The world can't impeach the sorry bastard, the Hague ahs no authority. The United States government would not give him up in any event. No matter who was President. Such an inconvenient precedent, don't you know.

[bicentennial_baby]

35. The Hague has authority

in countries who actually agree to be involved in int'l justice, unlike the U.S., who feels it is above that...

[Totallybushed]

43. But the US didn't agree.

something that it had every right, as a sovreign country, to do. Was that wise? Probably not, but there is the fact. Just because the Hague has autority with some countries doesn't mean that it does every where. And it doesn't have such authority over the USA. To think otherwise is wishful thinking.

[bicentennial_baby]

49. No, the reasons were BS

I've researched this issue in depth and written a 20 pg paper on it...As the so-called 'leader of the free world', the U.S. should have signed on for a million and one reasons, a primary one being that not doing so sets the *worst* goddamn example for the other states that feel they too are 'above the law'...

[Totallybushed]

147. Yeah, yeah.

I agree it would have been the right thing to do. But they were not obligated to do so, and didn't. That's a fact that has to be dealt with.

[tammywammy]

71. I don't think the Hague had any case for jurisdiction for Saddam

Since he was tried for crimes that happened within his country, not for acts that happened outside of it.

edited for spelling. :)

[rman]

137. Right, the US does have jurisdiction in Iraq while the International Court does not?

Does it make sense yet?

[Totallybushed]

148. But the US

did not try, and is not executing, Saddam. This is something the Iraqis are doing. Maybe the US is encouraging this, I would be very surprised if they are not, but the Iraqis really want to execute him, too. And let's face it, if any men ever deserved to hang, Saddam is in that company.

[rman]

167. Most Iraqies think they are worse of now than under Saddam

Just leave it to Bush to find some who support the US - like that criminal Chalabi.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

48. As I've said before

Killing someone to show that killing is wrong is insane.

[Totallybushed]

149. But is that the only purpose?

I would agree if it were. Anyway, I am not advocating for, or against, his death. I'm simply saying that I don't give a damn about his fate, his feelings, or anything else. It's just good to have him gone.

[The Stranger]

58. That response seems a little too convenient.

We are programmed to believe he is evil, despite the fact that there is far more evil that is far more powerful. It is a sleight of hand where justice is lost in the feeding frenzy of defeating this one particular "evil."

[Totallybushed]

151. You are absolutely right.

There is more powerful evil in the world than Saddam. JUst because we can't do anything about that, right now, is that a good reason to let Saddam slide?

Not in my opinion.

[The Stranger]

161. The problem is that you are doing the very bidding of that more powerful evil.

And you don't even realize it.

[Totallybushed]

164. Oh, bullshit.

The fact that Bush wants Saddam dead is no reason for the rest of us not to want to see justice done on Saddam.

I develop my positions based on the facts of the situation, and not who agrees with me. Their reasons may, or may not, be my own, but my position is based on what I think is right. Regardless of other's opinions.

[stillcool]

72. reap what you sow...

the sooner the better.

[pitohui]

30. as far as i know, he was tried and convicted in court of law

there is no violation of international law i'm aware of, in the us of a we try, convict, and execute all the time, and not just the most notorious a la tim mcveigh

there are many countries where the death penalty is illegal and unacceptable but neither the usa nor iraq is one of these and no use pretending otherwise

[tridim]

39. He was tried, convicted and denied appeal in occupied Iraq

Would you want to be tried, convicted and executed if America were under occupation by a foreign invader?

[Totallybushed]

45. Hell, I wouldn't

want to be tried, convicted, and executed under any circumstances. Not even if I were the same kind of monster as Saddam, or even Bush.

[pitohui]

60. two thumbs up

of course i fully agree totallybushed

[malaise]

54. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Logic not required

[pitohui]

62. would you mind explaining the logic?

as far as i am aware the facts are not in doubt, saddam may have had help orchestrating these murders (rummy, bush, etc.) but he himself did participate in them and was properly convicted

i'm not necessarily a death penalty supporter, in fact i'm generally an opponent, but in this case i see no good reason not to let the law take its course

dude's guilty, a lot of people were harmed in the making of this motion picture, he had a trial, appeal denied, it's over

he's an old man, he had a full life anyway, he had to always know it would come to this

[malaise]

79. What law?

How about the logic of due process, the treatment of captured prisoners under occupation.
Did you follow this trial? How many judges and lawyers were changed? Get real. This was a kangaroo court and everyone knew that no matter what, Bush was going to have his hanging. Fuck Bush. I hope he meets a similar end.

Edit - add

[tblue37]

111. Don't forget the murdered defense lawyers. (eom)

[Solon]

84. Using your logic, Rummy, Bush the Elder, and most of the Reagan and Bush I's administrations.

should be trooped up those gallows themselves for a short drop and sudden stop.

[pitohui]

86. i support impeachment, public trial, and conviction for all those you mention

it is up to the judge and jury the fate of those men, who i believe to be guilty of horrendous crimes for which they should answer

if say rummy were tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for a capital offense, do you seriously expect me to light a candle and weep for a commuted sentence? well i'm sure as hell not going to tell another country what to do with a leader i consider equally as culpable

the death penalty is legal and frequent in the usa, if someone who is indubitably guilty is sentenced to death, i will be more concerned about the many who are sentenced to death or long sentences who are NOT clearly guilty

don't expect me to cry for rummy or saddam or anyone who participated in these crimes

[Solon]

93. My biggest problem is the fact that this is a trial in a nation that is still...

under occupation by the United States, I don't think they are even capable of giving a fair trial for ANYONE, from the alleged thieves to even their former head of state. Its seems foolhardy to claim that they have sovereignty over even this issue when they can't even control half of what goes on within their own borders.

By the way, impeachment isn't necessary, no one I mentioned is STILL IN OFFICE, they are all "normal" civilians now, and should be prosecuted for their various crimes. I'm not a death penalty advocate myself, but I won't shed a tear for Saddam, nor do I think he is innocent of anything he was accused of, but too many things were swept under the rug, I want to know if the United States government at the time KNEW WHAT he was going to use the weapons we sold him for. They KNEW he was going to use most of them against Iran, we already know that, just like we knew that Iran was going to use most of the weapons we sold them against Iraq, but the gassing of civilians? We didn't stop supporting him after that, so my question is, did we know he'd use them against civilians?

[malaise]

136. More than that

Saddam remains in US custody.

[madeline_con]

18. The famous always die in 3s....

It looks like Ford, James Brown and Saddam all in the same week...

I'm appalled they're going to rush Saddam to the gallows while everyone's staring slack-jawed at Ford's funeral.

[Judi Lynn]

26. It'll take people's minds off the fact Bush is snubbing the funeral.

After all, the news was released in the last day or two that Ford most firmly disagreed with what _Bush pulled off in Iraq. _Bush has been chastised with the release of that news by a President people respect far more.

He's been dissed from the Great Beyond. He cries out for cover. He also doesn't want anyone to ever get a chance to talk to Hussein and find out the truth of US/Hussein history.

[madeline_con]

51. "... dissed from the Great Beyond."

:rofl:

[Eurobabe]

134. Interesting take, never really thought about that possibility

When Saddam go-eth, the evidence goes hence. Hmmm....get Henry Waxman on the line!

[blogslut]

20. Happy F@cking New Year

Good god, these people are insane.

[Disturbed]

40. In the US it takes 10 to 12 years to execute someone.

In Iraq it takes less than 30 days. Wow!

I take no pleasure in anyone's execution.

[madeline_con]

52. Outsourcing can be just the ticket for Fascist American Prez's

bent on revenge.

It worked for jobs, torture and now a speedy execution.

[PlanetBev]

23. Jebus...

Ain't you let him ring in the New Year, at least?

Seriously, I'm sure Bush is orgasmic about this...probably wishes he could sign the death warrant. Will try to use this to get his poll numbers up.

[shadowknows69]

28. Bets on whether or not our MSM will carry it live

I'd bet real money they will.

[tridim]

34. Almost live, they will show still pics after the fact of a hooded, hanging "Saddam"

The live video will be on Youtube within a few days.

[brer cat]

78. I hope you are wrong this time, Shadow...

although I respect your "gut." I would hate for us sink that low. Reality tv = a live hanging??? I hope NOT.

[Totallybushed]

165. Off subject a little, but

do you think that a picture of Saddam's hanging would build general revulsion against the death penalty, or would if build support for it nation-wide? I'm not sure I know which way it woould go, and would value your opinion.

[The Traveler]

25. Why on earth

are they dignifying this twisted fuck with martyr status? THEY :banghead: DON'T :banghead: EVER :banghead: LEARN!

I won't weep for Saddam, but this just throws gas on the fire.

[Poll_Blind]

44. He should die like Slobodan Milošević, in a jail cell from a heart attack.

Or hanging after sentencing in the World Court. But the U.S. is done with the World Court, need to keep things to Iraq, which we control, at least in some aspects.

  With a straight face and in all seriousness I say the following:

  As evil as Saddam Hussein is, the U.S. knows that if they don't kill him he'll probably wind up back in power in Iraq.

I believe the above statement. I still have problems wrapping my brain around it but I think there's an arguable case given the "popularity" of the Ba'ath (sp?) party and the large number of generals, etc. who are actually favorable to him. Saddam is a monster, he's evil, but he did know how to keep the country under his control. Within that tyrannical sphere of control, more people led prosperous lives and enjoyed freedoms* than they do today in Iraq.

PB

* As long as it didn't cross Saddam in some way

[Annces]

29. This seems ominous

I don't know how it could get worse in Iraq, but I wonder what effect this will have.

[Junkdrawer]

31. He must be trying to talk...

Can't have that...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Well, May He Rot In Hell.

A prayer does go out to our troops, however, as if there is any escalation of violence I hope God will help them be safe.

But aside from that, buh bye Saddamy!

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[NewYorkerfromMass]

38. Then say buh bye to a lot of American soldiers

who will be caught in the shit storm to follow- God grant them mercy.

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[Bluerthanblue]

53. i take no joy in the murder of anyone-

regardless of whether i believe them to be 'bad people' or 'good guys'-
the only difference between 'them' and 'us' is our own personal perspective-

I'm disapointed in you OMC- but you have every right to your own opinion- i don't want you murdered because we stand on different sides of this issue-

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. 99.9% Of The Time I'd Agree With You. But He Is An Utter Piece Of Filth.

I'm not saying necessarily that he should be put to death, since if I thought about my position on the DP enough I'd probably arrive at the conclusion that no matter how vile someone is that the DP is never justified, but since I can't stop it and he's gonna be executed anyway, I can still wish him to rot in hell; as he should.

[The Stranger]

59. That is a fascinating post.

Damning someone to Hell and rejoicing in the death of another in virtually the same sentence as praying to God to protect those engaged in war.

Holy mindfuck.

[beam me up scottie]

65. Excellent summary.

Holy mindfuck indeed.

[elehhhhna]

70. Yep. As in "Holy Mindfuck, Batman!"

[beam me up scottie]

76. Holy Hypocrisy, Robin!

Another death defying defeat of logic !

[Moochy]

142. Its almost like its an operation

to mind fuck du!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

150. Seriously Dude, Can You Stop Your Harassment Already? It's Getting Old.

Find a new hobby... Please.

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

155. Please Stop Harrassing And Attacking. It Is Against DU Rules And You're Crossing The Line.

Thanks.

[Moochy]

156. There's a little link called Alert

try it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

158. Self Delete.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. I'm Sorry, Do You Think Saddam Should Go To Heaven?

If you don't, then you're in the same boat I'm in.

[bicentennial_baby]

73. So it's an either/or?

How about those of us that believe in neither?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Self Delete

[k_jerome]

75. hell of course. nt

[The Stranger]

141. Now you suggest that someone breaking down your post means that person "thinks Saddam Should

Go To Heaven?"

WTF is going on here? That response shows about as BLACK AND WHITE thinking as I've ever seen, if there is any thinking involved at all.

[Moochy]

143. It's the patented No Thinking Required Approach

Get it Now!! Eliminates tedious thinking, Amaze and confuse your friends!

[malaise]

80. Yuo might add illegal war to boot n/t

[aein]

140. where's your mercy, christian?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

159. I'm Not A Christian. Not Sure Why You Ignorantly Assumed Such. But Whatever.

[Moochy]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

152. Please Stop Stalking/Harassing Me. Thanks.

[Bobbie Jo]

37. Chalk up yet another huge mistake....

For BushCo...It's become painfully obvious this administration has no understanding of the concept of cause and effect.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

56. Best post in the thread

and Lord it is a sad state they have put the world in.

[Clark2008]

42. What's one more death in Iraq?

Seriously... there have been more than 650,000 Iraqi's killed in this fucking stupid war and our media orgasms over this one man? This one man who the US SUPPORTED when he was doing the killing?

Sigh - yet another reason to leave the TV off this week.

[patrice]

46. "Merry Christmas".

[thethinker]

50. Very stupid

They should have shipped him off to the Hague for trial. Or they should have made the Iraqi government wait until we left to deal with him.

Hanging him now, after a questionable trial, under American occupation makes it look like we are hanging him. This installed Iraqi government is suspect, and barely legitimate. The court was a kangaroo court. How many times did we change judges? There is no one serving in the Iraqi government that hasn't been hand picked by the Americans. Everyone in the world, except republican Americans, understands this.

This is a very stupid move on our part and will look bad to Iraqi citizens and the rest of the civilized world. But, we haven't done anything smart yet in Iraq. So why start now.

Saddam killed 148 Iraqi citizens in 1982. And we have killed how many Iraqi citizens? I believe that number is 500,000 by some counts. And we are hanging him. What a strange world we live in.

[malaise]

82. Well said

This is a sickening display of imperialism. Think I'll bury my heart somewhere off this planet.

[ribrepin]

113. Yahoo headline screams " U.S. preparing for Saddam's execution"

It should have been left to the Iraqis to deal with him or we should have shipped him to the Hague. Oh Well, like a lot of things, it too late to bop and Bush can't dance.

Let the old bastard rot in prison and publish a picture every year to let the world know how old age and prison are treating him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. 72 before the Tet Offensive Iraq style starts

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

83. Just what's needed in the M.E. Another "martyr" to rally the troops.

The killing of Saddam will accomplish what?

[Nickster]

85. I'm going to go out on a limb here. I believe there will be a prison break attempt just before the

hangman's noose.

[otherlander]

87. So now he was a "president"?

:wtf:

[pitohui]

88. er, yeah, seriously dude you didn't know he was president of iraq?

like it or not, that was his title

as long as the little people can be sentenced to death and executed for lesser crimes, i'm not going to worry this blonde's brain about saddam

[otherlander]

92. He was a dictator. He can call himself "president"

and Bush can call himself a "decider" but that doesn't make it true.

[EstimatedProphet]

89. Of course, by the start of Eid

How can this not be an attempt to piss off devout Muslims?

[pitohui]

90. devout muslims wish the secular saddam had been hung a long long while ago

the whole thing is not about pissing off devout muslims, it's about kissing their ass and handing over a formerly secular country, where women could work, to a bunch of insane religious hysterics

please

saddam is a bad guy and no one is going to miss him, less of all the fanatics who have been clamoring for him to be dead since the 80s

[EstimatedProphet]

95. Perhaps, but I doubt they'd like to celebrate Eid with a hanging

probably not any more than you or I would like to celebrate Christmas with one.

[Sapphire Blue]

91. This is wrong. So wrong. All this killing is so damned wrong.

May God / Goddess / Allah / Jehovah / YHWH / the Creator / Waheguru / the One have mercy on us, awaken our souls and restore humanity.

[faithnotgreed]

97. how did it EVER become legal to kill in the name of preventing killing?

sick and hypocritical and a crime against all humanity

i do not care who it is - killing is wrong and all the more so when it is sanctioned and encouraged by any government
and the US has been in that business since the beginning (and business it is)

[951-Riverside]

94. If he hangs someone else should hang right along side him

but if I even whisper who should hang beside him I'll probably be visted and interrorgated by the secret police.

:mad:

[pettypace]

96. Justice will finally come

to the one responsible for the destruction of the WTC, and subsequently 3000 Americans. The whole point of OIF was a direct response to 9/11, so clearly Saddam is to blame for all the carnage that took place against the US. If it wasn't for Saddam, the US would never have invaded Iraq only to lose 3000 more Americans in the process.

I can't think of any other examples of Saddam inflicting pernicious harm against the US other than the above, so please feel free to chime in.

So for those 6000 Americans who have lost their lives since 9/11, you will finally have closure once this execution is carried out.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

99. Uh...

Saddam didn't order the 9/11 attacks. That is established fact.

Justice?
:wtf:

[Name removed]

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[Batgirl]

104. In fact, I do feel free to chime in

"Bush: Saddam was not responsible for 9/11

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Tuesday September 12, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

George Bush last night admitted that Saddam Hussein had no hand in the 9/11 terror attacks, but he asked Americans to support a war in Iraq that he said was the defining struggle of our age."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,,1870427,00.html

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

109. The Poster Was Being Sarcastic. Not Sure Why You Are Responding As If They Were Serious.

Don't let low post counts skew your judgment so easily. Remember, we all had just a handful of posts, once.

I say this cause if a 100 or 1000+ member posted this, you would've known in a heartbeat that it was sarcasm. It should've been no different here.

[Batgirl]

144. Try to have some compassion

Not everyone has your genius powers of observation and insight.

I won't ask how you knew the poster was being sarcastic, because any explanation would undoubtedly be way too advanced for my intellectual limitations.

At any rate, hopefully you aren't too overly bothered by my posting a simple link to a recent news article which quotes Bush as admitting Saddam wasn't involved with the event sof 911.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

154. Not Bothered By That At All.

What I am bothered by is an undeserved and misguided attack on a fellow DU'er just because they had a low post count and some had a knee jerk reaction to it which clouded their common sense judgment from seeing how readily apparent it was that the post was sarcastic.

It always bothers me to see people unfairly attacked. Now that you've been made aware to the error, I hope you will apologize to the poster, even if in private. Thanks.

[Batgirl]

160. Pllease tell me in what way my post was an attack.

Even if in private. Thanks.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

162. That's True. Yours Wasn't Really An Attack. Some Of The Others Were.

Yours did come off to me as having a hidden insinuation that the poster was a freeper, however, in need of schooling on the Saddam connection to 9-11. That in itself was somewhat unfair, as it was kinda insinuating that the poster was a complete an utter moron to have believed those things. That wasn't the case though, since the poster was being sarcastic. You are correct in that your post was quite benign, other than the assumption that the poster was a moronic freeper or something.

My only advice would be not to look at post count when reading a post. It really can alter your perception of intent when doing so, as can be seen here. Like I stated below, if this poster had 1000+ posts I'd say it's likely you wouldn't have responded in such a way.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

108. Why Do You Attack So Readily? The Poster Was Being Sarcastic. Don't Be So Quick To Judge Low Count

posters. Jesus.

[Sydnie]

How do you know the poster was being sarcastic?

There is NOTHING in that post that indicates that at all. NOTHING! There are MANY ways that the poster could have indicated that they intended to make an sarcastic statement, but they didn't. Until they do, I have to believe that it was sincere not sarcasm.

Perhaps you should leave them to respond or leave their hit and run, meant to be devisive post to speak for itself to each reader themselves? Post count aside, let them speak for themselves and their thoughts on their own ... unless this is a personal friend of yours that you have some inside information on what their real intent was. :eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

118. Common Sense.

Tell me: If the poster had 1000+ posts, would you have blinked for a second that it wasn't sarcasm?

Don't be so easily clouded just due to a meaningless post count number.

And no matter what, you still can't justify your use of such vicious attack.

[Sydnie]

121. You assume much about my reaction that is not true.

Post count has nothing to do with it. And yes, I would have responded the same were it someone with 6 figures in their post count.

You really need to get over yourself and stop projecting a motive to others and their words. Both mine and the OP being discussed here.

Must be nice to be a mind reader ... but you aren't one as far as I can see.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

123. Just Apologize To The Poster For The Unwarranted Attack And Be Done With It LOL

It was uncalled for, and also completely inaccurate.

But if you don't find it necessary to apologize to an innocent victim who you attacked wrongly, what can I tell ya.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

107. I Apologize For The Knee Jerk Animosity Of Those Responding To You Who Took You Seriously.

It is obvious that you are being sarcastic and I'm amazed you got attacked like you had.

[pettypace]

166. To all, please pardon my post.

I ignored the stated notion that sarcasm does not translate well in written form.

I thought it best to use reverse physcology to express my disgruntlement on how the Adminstration has managed, successfully, to conflate Saddam's fate and securing the homeland. I suppose I wanted to conceal any perceived sympathy for an abhorrent figure, as well, but as I have come to learn, DU is truly a progressive forum, where opinions will be fully judged on their merit alone.

I thank graciously Operationmindcrime for respectfully clarifying my remarks after I had unwittingly failed to do so. Huzzah, my friend!

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

114. Yet Another Unwarranted Knee Jerk Attack. You Owe The Poster An Apology IMHO.

Why am I the only one responding that saw the sarcasm to be so obvious?

Do you really let your perception be skewed so easily because of a low post count?

If a 1000+ poster posted this would you have responded the same way? Would you had known then how obvious the sarcasm was?

Did you not have a low post count once too? Do you think being treated this way would've been fair?

It is obvious that post was sarcasm. Little more reasonable thought, little less attack towards our newer members. That's all I have to say.

[Sydnie]

119. It has nothing to do with post count at all

Why not let the poster respond for themselves? As I said in my post to you upthread, there is nothing there to indicate sarcasm was the intent at all.

I have nothing to apologize to the poster for unless and until they clarify their statement on their own.

Perhaps since you are the only one to "see the obvious sarcasm" perhaps you are the one that has been duped. Ever consider that?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

122. You Are Being Disingenuous. Of Course It Mattered To You. Answer Honestly: Would You Have

responded the same way if the post was made by a 1000+ member?

And yes, there was something to indicate sarcasm. It's called common sense. But because of the low post count, common sense wasn't used. Knee jerk reaction was, and it caused you to reply with a vicious attack of which the poster not only doesn't deserve, but is against the rules.

And if you don't like the fact that I'm defending someone attacked needlessly, sorry bub. I'll always do such things.

And if you need further assistance to convince you this was in fact sarcasm, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2972914&mesg_id=2973249

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2934244&mesg_id=2934637

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2878256&mesg_id=2883853

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2926741#2927571

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2853221&mesg_id=2853650

Yes. You owe this poster a huge apology. No ifs ands or buts about it.

[Sydnie]

127. No, it didn't matter

Stop projecting your "concerns" on me. I have stated clearly what my intent was and when an apology would be warranted. I didn't not assign the responsibility for my actions to you nor did I ask you to be, nor want you to be, my conscience.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

129. I'm Not Convinced, But That's Irrelevant Overall Anyway. Back To The Point. Did You Read The Links?

You didn't provide any insight into them. Since the false accusation is the very heart of this discussion, I'd like to know if you still consider your attack accurate and warranted after reading the posts.

It is my hope that you would quickly be able to surmise that you were in the wrong, that the post was blatant sarcasm, and that you owe the poster an apology. Let's hope you come through. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

125. I Notice You Suddenly Fell Silent. I Can Only Hope You Read The Links And Recognized Your Error.

I'm not saying you have to apologize publicly, ya know, pride and all, but I hope you at least send him a PM doing so.

We have all probably been attacked here viciously at some point when we were newbies, and know how much that sucked. I just think it's the right thing to do to make up for such an attack.

[Sydnie]

128. Nope, I didn't.

but I'm done playing with you for the night.

I have been on the go since early this morning and am retiring for the night.

Don't assume any badgering victory by my silence. I will be asleep and your posts will be nothing more than a blip on the screen of my life.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

130. Not Victory. Was Just A Hope. Why Are You Being So Stubborn Though?

For God's sake, if you attacked somebody who was innocent, don't you think it would be the RIGHT thing to do to apologize to the victim? Don't you think it's worth a few minutes of your effort to do some due diligence to make a less ignorant knee jerk assessment of the post? Don't you think a fellow DU'er who will hopefully have a long tenure here deserves that respect?

This isn't a game, Sydnie, and I wasn't playing. The post was blatantly sarcastic, or at least was to me as I read it, and you and others jumped all over the poster unfairly and viciously. In reality, those attacks were wrong and misguided. So I don't think it's playing to want to defend an innocent victim and request an apology for the attack. You're under no obligation, of course, but I would hope you'd agree it's the right thing to do.

Attacks like that suck when you're a newbie, especially when you're a legitimate one. I wish you wouldn't be so stubborn as to let the attack stand, after being informed that it was in error.

Goodnight.

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[Catherine Vincent]

133. Don't forget the thousands of Iraqi's that have died.

It's all Saddam's fault.

[sniffa]

139. bwahahaha

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

get this to stephen coLbert, stat!

[bdamomma]

98. that is the BUSH CRIME FAMILY

they want to permanently keep quiet Saadam, I bet he has alot of stories to tell. Now how many more American troops will die?

[Higans]

100. Will it be on Pay Perview???

Why should he get POW privileges? now one else does...

[Initech]

110. There is something seriously fucked up about broadcasting this on television.

[caligirl]

115. A great way to seal Bush as a failed President is to execute this

war criminal. the flames in Iraq will grow and the violence dramatically increase. Our troops will suffer even more losses for the execution of this killer, an execution the result of an illegal war by one of the worlds most vindictive men in history.

Bush has cost nearly 3000 troops lives illegally and without conscience,--------------------Sadam doesn't belong in power but neither does Bush.

[The Doctor.]

117. Shouldn't we be interrogating him about his ties to Al-Qaeda?

After all, he's a key player in the 'War on Terror'.

:grr:

[Straight Shooter]

131. Ding ding ding! Most astute post of this entire thread.

Sarcasm and irony rolled into one succinct commentary.

:thumbsup:

[Phrogman]

120. This will blow up right in their faces.

Not a good idea at all.

[caligirl]

126. ahh, but it will cover up the deals of poppy , neil and w and the $$ trail back to them from

Saddam. But the name Bush is already associated with corruption and Hitler, it can't get any worse can it? Guess Bush has more to hide.

[Tuesday_Morning]

124. Riverbend says:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2993075

When All Else Fails...Execute the dictator

[Catherine Vincent]

132. One question....

What's the hurry?

[OneBlueSky]

135. the U.S. had NO right -- moral, ethical, or LEGAL -- to invade and occupy Iraq . . .

and we have NO right to execute the country's leader . . . the invasion and occupation were crimes of immense proportion, and the execution of Saddam will be a an equally despicable crime . . .

will ANYONE ever be held accountable for the war crimes and the crimes against humanity perpetrated by BushCo? . . .

will the Democratic Congress have the balls to say "Enough!" and bring this atrocity to an end? . . .

given the corporate profits involved, I sincerely doubt it . . .

[kpete]

163. UPDATE

Saddam's Lawyer: Execution at Dawn

By Jeralyn, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 02:09:46 PM EST


An anonymous lawyer for Saddam was now claiming Hussein will be executed on Saturday at dawn.

I'm not buying the U.S. denial and claim that Saddam remains in U.S. custody:

Raising the tension, US authorities also cancelled a planned meeting on Saturday between Saddam and his defense team, lawyer Issam Ghazawi told AFP. "I just received an email from US authorities in Baghdad in which a security official said it has been decided to cancel our visit planned for Saturday in Baghdad with president Saddam Hussein," Ghazawi said.

"We can't have you in Baghdad tomorrow. We cannot provide any protection for you. You can't see Saddam because he is not in our physical custody anymore," said the email according to Ghazawi, who read it by phone to an AFP reporter.

The White House is denying responsibility for the execution
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/12/29/15946/248