Edwards gets off to a Bushy start

[Ian_rd]

Nice going, John. Just when we thought George W. Bush was the king of photo-ops, what do we get to see when one of our favorite presidential hopefuls announces his run? You, wearing blue jeans and shoveling dirt with some - surprise! - young black guys. Note to John: The tough workin' man look would have been more effective if you weren't wearing your blackberry.

Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of the unfortunate fact that in product advertising, images are frequently more important than words (you being the product). But your campaign team doesn't seem to know the difference between effective stage decorations and a blatantly fake photo-op. You see, this is the kind of thing we liberals (your potential base) are so sick of seeing for the past six years. For us, such crafted images like these are indicative of a politician who puts image before substance and who thinks his target audience are a bunch of morons.

We're not morons. When we saw George W. Bush get out of a freakin' navy jet in a flight suit, we hurled. When we saw him trimming brush on his fantasy camp ranch and practically tripping over his own cowboy boots, we laughed our asses off. And when he commandeered a group a firefighters for the sole purpose of posing with them with his sleeves rolled up after Katrina, we got pissed - really pissed.



Some in your campaign team may struggle with the difference between effective imagery and ridiculous photo-ops, and the line between the two isn't exactly crystal clear. But here's my best guess as to one of the basics: When you are actually fabricating events for the sole purpose of having pictures taken of them, you're crossing the line. We all know George W. Bush is not a pilot, he doesn't work on his ranch when cameras aren't present, and he wasn't about to go save people from a burning building after the hurricane.

And yes, we know this shoveling business wasn't for real. It's only for show - everyone knows it and it makes you look stupid. We won't be voting for you for your shoveling technique - we'd be voting for you for your policies designed to prevent another community from being buried in the first place.

We'll tolerate you posing in front of monuments and flags. We won't even mind too much if you find some "Made in the U.S.A." boxes for a backdrop like Bush did, but unless you plan on switching parties and battling McCain for the Republican nomination, don't insult our intelligence. If you want our vote, John, you're going to have to get real, and fast.

[cali]

1. screw little miss wonkette.

Her snide little bush/edwards comparison, is completely off the mark. Edwards has made poverty and New Orleans and the tragic neglect of the City in the aftermath of Katrina, foundational points in his campaign, since far before any announcement.

[Triana]

5. Yep. He did...

...this was NOT a buShit-style put-on show.

EDIT: HERE is part of an email I got from the Edwards campaign:

_ _ _ _ _

"I'm writing to you from New Orleans, where tomorrow I will announce that I am a candidate for president of the United States.

I'm announcing here because no place better demonstrates the two Americas I've talked about for a long time. But even more important, no place better demonstrates the power people have when they -- not Washington -- take responsibility and take action to build the America we believe in."

--John Edwards

[lonestarnot]

97. Screw Wonkettie et. al

[Tempest]

6. Wonkette has turned into a snit

I stopped reading her blog because she's no longer funny and entertaining.

Now she's just bitchy, snide and all full of herself.

It's really a shame.

[NYCGirl]

9. And she doesn't even write it anymore. It's a couple of guys writing Wonkette.

Anne Marie Cox is no longer with the site — I think she's with the Washington Post now.

[Tempest]

12. I didn't know that

She should be ashamed in allowing her reputation to be sullied the way it is now at the blog she created.

[NYCGirl]

14. I think Wonkette is pretty funny, even when they make fun of Democrats.

And as we get more power, expect that to happen more often.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

48. if we can't laugh at ourselves, we are lost.

A perfect historical example. Gerald Ford was getting lampooned on SNL. Had he pulled a Janet Reno, and shown up LIVE on SATURDAY NIGHT, the whole country would have loved it. Reno managed to defuse major tensions she caused by the kid in Florida, some less than well thought out policies, by poking fun at herself and being brave enough to deal with live TV.

Had Ford done that, he, not Jimmy, would have been elected.

Bush tries to do it, but he just can't gather the empathy, self-critical observations and sense of humanity to do it in a believable fashion.
Edwards can and will. SO, I say, let all humor rain, and let's take it as humor. Wonkette is doing nothing wrong; to the contrary, it makes us look human, therefore more believable and true to ourselves.

[Mabus]

51. She's a columnist for Time

. . .She was discovered at a drugstore by Nick Denton, who made her Wonkette. She is now a columnist for TIME and time.com and is at work on her next book, an anthropological study of young conservatives. Her husband Chris Lehmann is remarkably well-liked and an editor at CQ Weekly. http://www.anamariecox.com/CONTENT/bio.html

Here's a link to a photo of the Wonkette Team.

[NYCGirl]

83. Thank you so much, Mabus. I was googling for the info, but didn't find it.

:yourock:

[Joe Chi Minh]

64. uuh uuh... Isn't that the Moonie-in-chief's organ?

[NYCGirl]

84. It may be, but Mabus informed me that Ms. Cox now works for Time Magazine.

[Telly Savalas]

88. You're thinking of the Washington Times

The Washington Post is a reputable paper.

[chefgirl]

69. HA! What do you mean "now" ?

She's always been an arrogant little twit, as far as I'm concerned. More impressed with hearing her own voice or reading her own words than any one snotty little bitch should ever be.

More than anything, though, she's irrelevant. She always has been.

-chef-

[dogday]

31. Egg-axcty

What you said Cali :yourock:

[underpants]

50. 'Wonkette' obviously doesn't spend much time around construction workers

especially the foremen and owner types. They have had cell phones and now blackberries since before "Wonkette" ( a guy took over for the original Wonkette I believe) was thinking about which private school to coast through.

[Clark2008]

2. Well, one of the biggest reasons I despise Edwards is his

put-ons.

I think he's pretty much a snakeoil salesman.

[Tempest]

10. Your response

Wouldn't have anything to do with your supporting Clark in 2008, would it?


Edwards a snake oil salesman?

That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard said about Edwards.



And for the record, I haven't thrown my support behind anyone yet.

[Clark2008]

93. Nope. Has nothing to do with Wesley Clark, as a matter of fact.

I think Edwards is slicker than owl shit - all by himself.

[ecstatic]

11. oh come on... that's Donald Trump!!! LOL

:rofl:

[cali]

18. Jealous much?

'cause all it sounds like is childish sour grapes.

[Clark2008]

92. Not jealous at all.

I don't like Edwards and didn't like him since BEFORE Clark got into the ring in 2003.

Sorry - you're wrong, Cali. Just dead wrong.

I don't like him for some personal reasons that occurred shortly after 9/11 - a time in which I barely knew who Wesley Clark was.

So - I guess that blows the hell out of your little theory, doesn't it?

[WI_DEM]

78. as if Clark won't or never did any photo ops

at least I know that Edwards is running for President. I have no idea what Clark is doing. The only people I hear talking about his possible run are people here on DU. Nothing against Clark, he's a great guy and would make a good candidate, but it doesn't help him when his supporters on DU attack other candidates.

[Clark2008]

96. The only candidate I "attack" is Edwards because I think

he's lacking - in so, so, so many ways.

However, think what you want.

I think maybe I'll post sometime this week about WHY I think... erm... KNOW... that Edwards is, well, that he tends to follow crowds and jump on bandwagons, but it has nothing to do with Wesley Clark or Al Gore or Dennis Kucinich or any of the other candidates I COULD support should they become the nominee.

I really only dislike Edwards. I don't think Hillary or Obama can win, btw, but I don't dislike either one of them.

[Triana]

3. Sorry but....

...I think those Edwards photos are fine. They STILL don't look nearly as fake-staged-photo-op as bu$h's - blackberry or none.

[Horse with no Name]

4. I think this unfair

When you realize that he has been working on poverty--including Hurricane Katrina aftermath.
What you should ask yourself though...is if poverty is such a vacuum and not necessarily race-related...then WHY were all of the men black?
I live in the South. This is how it is.
THAT is the problem---not the fact that Edwards is trying to help them through his work at the poverty center.

[Strawman]

7. No

Unlike Bush and, I suspect, unlike Wonkette, Edwards actually knows what it's like to be poor. Is it "staged" for imagery? Sure. But there is a sincerity and committment behind the imagery that is missing from most politicians.

[Lex]

8. Edwards was talking about issues of poverty looong before Katrina hit

and talked about how poor persons in this country have to dangerously "live on the edge."

Katrina's aftermath highlighted how badly the Bush Admin. and FEMA screwed up the response, and how people without credit cards, automobiles, etc. are literally and figuritively trapped by poverty.


If Wonkette can't see the difference between someone who has been talking about and doing things about the issue of poverty for years vs. Bush's rhetoric then she's just plain idiotic.

[Triana]

23. Damn right he was...

...this, from an email I got yesterday:

_ _ _ _ _

I'm writing to you from New Orleans, where tomorrow I will announce that I am a candidate for president of the United States.

I'm announcing here because no place better demonstrates the two Americas I've talked about for a long time. But even more important, no place better demonstrates the power people have when they -- not Washington -- take responsibility and take action to build the America we believe in.

--John Edwards

_ _ _ _ _

He states OUTRIGHT why he announced from there. No lies, no secrets. He's been ON this issue for years now. There's nothing fake about it.

[Skwmom]

110. For years? Didn't Edwards take up the poverty mantra AFTER running

for president?

[styersc]

13. Edwards pretending to be a "man of the people"...

Hillary pretending to be a mom-statesperson who has ideas beyond what polling suggests........

Kerry pretending to be the heir apparent and anti-war activist........

Obama pretending to be a messiah.......

Time for the Dems to begin tearing ourselves apart so we can spare the GOP the trouble.

[renie408]

27. DING DING DING!! Give the gentleman a prize!!

It seems to me we spend almost as much energy dissing EACH OTHER as we spend on dissing Bush and Company.

[ecstatic]

15. Staged, because Edwards is a very busy man

However, it's still effective and I believe Edwards has a serious shot at winning.

Bush is known for photo ops but we're talking about two different motivations here. Bush is pure evil--that is why his photo ops sting so much. Edwards, on the other hand, seems to be a good man. If he stages a photo op, it's not necessarily due to bad intentions. He is a very busy man. He has kids and a family. I believe he does care about these issues, although, like most politicians, he probably ups the ante a bit during a race.

That being said, I agree with your sentiment that the fakeness must stop! I want real issues to be addressed, the truth to be told without consulting with advisors/polls/etc. I'm sick of it too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. Point taken. I'm not dissing Edwards specifically (they all do it),

but I really wish all of the candidates would just forego these staged events. Yes, Edwards has made poverty a central issue, and that's great, but we all know he doesn't spend his spare time shoveling mud in New Orleans. Jimmy Carter really did build houses for Habitat for Humanity, but none of these guys do any of those things for real when the cameras aren't present. Wonkette's piece is mean and snotty and snippy, but the point is a good one.

Candidates, just stay the hell away from these phony little skits. Tell your handlers not to round up poor and/or black "extras" to pose with you. Don't run to the hardware store for a brand new shovel or hammer or chain saw that you'll never use again. Don't dress up in nice crisp new jeans and flannel shirt like a damn lumberjack (and if you do, at least take off the Blackberry) when we know you're going to ditch the outfit and put on your Brooks Brothers suit and $100 tie as soon as the photographers go away.

Just tell us what you want to do if you're elected. And show a little dignity while you're at it.

[mntleo2]

17. Wonkette Doesn't Always "Get It"

Edwards has made poverty one of his main points and has been doing some awesome work around the issue. While he may have been doing a photo op in New Orleans along with highlighting that work, since he left the senate, he has been working HARD around poverty and the New Orleans tragedy. We all know he is rich, so what? At least HE is doing something with his gains that help others, unlike most greedy rich people. He is doing way more than most greedheads who just sit around the pool counting money and trying to figure out how not to pay taxes, while waving the flag for war for which they have no intentions of fighting.

Maybe Wonkette is just jealous because she or one of her skanky friends who make a living screwing married Republicans, made a pass at Edwards and he turned her down.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle

[NYCGirl]

19. BTW, although Wonkette did a funny bit with the pictures, the OP wrote

his thoughts in the thread. Don't blame all of it on Wonkette.

P.S. Wonkette is not written by a woman any more. Two guys — maybe one of them made a pass at Edwards?

[mntleo2]

21. Yeah, With All Those Closeted Repugs, ...LOL

...I mean, really how many of those Repigs publicly denigrate gays while looking for some pretty boy behind the door? I did not know wonkette was now run by men. Still figures though since a bunch of men would want to continue to call themselves "Wonkettes" ~ a feminine derivative that most men, even gay men, would not like to call themselves. My gay male friends at least, are proud to be MEN.

LOL!

Cat In Seattle

[NYCGirl]

45. Why do you think they're Republicans? Would GOPers say this?

Restaurant Publicist Announces Return of Bush Twins

Jenna did make it back for Christmas, despite the allure of Argentina Nights with her new Porteńo beau (poor Hank Hagar must seem so impossibly drab in comparison — but if that’s who James Baker wants her to breed with, that’s who Jenna’ll breed with).

A “spy” saw Jenna with her coked-out New Yorker sister Barbara drinking “blackberry mojitos” and Argentinian wine at some restaurant last weekend.

Then they went to Camp David for “the Holidays.”

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/bush-twins/restaurant-publicist-announces-return-of-bush-twins-224578.php


And men who are secure in their sexuality wouldn't mind writing Wonkette.

[AzDar]

20. Edwards, Gore, or Clark...I'll take any I can get! n/t

[cali]

22. Just a nasty little hit and run by the OP.

Disgusting.

[Stephanie]

24. second that

disgusting and transparent. give my regards to KKKarl.

[citizen snips]

34. it is not objective

C'mon folks lets try to add some substance to the debate.

[ClassWarrior]

25. Thank you for your concern.

:eyes:

NGU.

[Name removed]

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[mnhtnbb]

28. Difference between Bushie and Edwards is that he actually WORKS

the way Carter has worked for Habitat.

Edwards' shoveling is not only for show. Maybe you should try doing some homework before posting your opinions.

Listen to an interview he did with NPR about the spring break
work trip in New Orleans he organized for college students in March 06.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5285938

[Sugar Smack]

32. Thank you.

:pals:

[Neshanic]

29. Hmmm... truth hurts.

[Lex]

30. Yes. But no truth is in that OP.

nt

[k_jerome]

33. Lewis Black on John Edwards...

If Edwards runs again, he's always good because he's got that big grin, which leads you to believe he's slightly retarded.

[Sugar Smack]

35. You're joking.

Right?

[k_jerome]

37. i did not say it. i don't know if he was joking.he is a comedian i guess. nt.

[Sugar Smack]

39. Oh, OK.

:)

[k_jerome]

40. i'm pretty sure he rips everyone though. nt.

[mnhtnbb]

42. Lewis Black and John Edwards both went to UNC-Chapel Hill.

I'm sure Edwards will come up with a funny line to remind him of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Black

[Nordmadr]

54. Lewis Black is a comdeian. Damn funny one too. He usually bashes

repubs, but isn't shy about anyone. If you take it as the joke it is, it is kinda funny.

Olafr

[mnhtnbb]

36. Oh, as opposed to the smirking real retard occupying the WH?

[k_jerome]

38. Black has funny things to say about that retard too. nt.

[citizen snips]

41. that is a bunch of drivel

Edwards is real because he has been fighting against poverty for most of his life.

[Skwmom]

107. I thought his fight against poverty began when he decided to

run for President?

He started out as a corporate lawyer. After doing a favor for a corporate client (winning a big settlement in the process) Edwards decided to become a personal injury attorney. He did ZERO pro bono work (you think someone who was so CONCERNED about the poor could have fit someone pro bono work into his schedule). He sued obstetricians using very flimsy evidence, winning millions, buying million dollar homes and chartable contributions (I'm sure if there were any substantial contributions his PR team who works around the clock on his behalf would have mentioned them repeatedly).

[KingFlorez]

43. Well, what do we have here

Nothing makes a good old photo-op like shoveling dirt in a dilapidated neighborhood with black people. People who have to put on a show like this aren't capable of being President.

[Avalux]

44. Stupid premise - and this blows it out the window.

John Edwards has been actively working in New Orleans. He didn't just fly in for a photo op as Bush does. This pic is from March 2006:

[Kazak]

46. 'Not a big fan, myself...

If I have to hear his "son of a mill worker" schpeel one more time, I just might implode. I won't be voting for him in the primaries, but he'll get my vote if he gets the nod...I guess.

[SoCalDem]

52. Yep. In this day and age of instant-media, the politicians

need to remember that their "favorite stories" get stale the second time they tell them..

back in the newspaper days, they could travel from town to town with the same speech, and only their staffs hurled after a week of hearing the same ole- same ole. With 24-7 cable coverage, they have to think on their feet and know their stuff...and be able to phrase it in hundreds of ways.

[Greeby]

47. Sorry John, but the only photos of a politican in NOLA I'm willing to accept

Is this one



http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0509/09/nat4-309467.htm

:patriot:

[Nordmadr]

53. I agree that the critique of Edwards is a bit off the mark considering

he has been talking about New Orleans and poverty as a major part of his political platform ,but the images of Gore (resting from actually unloading supplies) and his complete block on politicizing it really hits home. He used his political muscle and wealth to help get 250+ people out of New Orleans after the hurricane. That speaks mountains to me.

Yes, I know it is still premature to talk about who wants who, blah, blah, blah...but both of these men strike me as sincere. Gore is my number one choice; has been for the better part of a decade (since the 2000 election process started).

Olafr

[The Count]

55. I'm with you here. When I heard "Son of a Mill" announced from NOLA

it was THAT pic that popped into my mind. And I am not even a Gore supporter.

[mdelaguna2000]

66. I thought of that picture too, nothing against Edwards though.

[IndyOp]

61. Greeby - Al hasn't announced and may not announce. In the meantime

I really appreciate John Edwards' right now. Why? A quote from his campaign website:

It is a campaign not just about what we can do in the White House -- but what we can do on the way.

We all must take responsibility and take action now to:

* Provide moral leadership in the world
* Strengthen our middle class and end poverty
* Guarantee universal health care for every American
* Lead the fight against global warming
* Get America and other countries off our addiction to oil

If we want to live in a moral and just America tomorrow, we cannot wait until the next President is elected to begin to take action.

Ask not what your country can do for you...

:hi:

[sandnsea]

89. He isn't the only politician who helped

Funny that the guy who supposedly did it without publicity, is also the only one who has pictures of him helping. Just saying.

[Name removed]

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[The Count]

56. Only fair from a co-sponsor of the IWR (with Joe). As for getting real -

sorry, but you either are or are not.
And don't anyone give me "but he changed his mind on war" - because unless he can revive the dead, it don't wash with me.
He makes Hillary look almost good - only Joe is the worse choice on this side of the political labels.

NO WAY AM I VOTING FOR WARMONGERS!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

57. The Republican party thanks you for your vote.

[The Count]

72. Warmongers of any party. Murder is murder - and people who start wars

(or declare themselves ready to) are murderers no matter the political label. So whatever party is upset with my views, can kiss my ass.

NO MORE WAR!

[Vektor]

58. This is a bit harsh.

All politicians do things for photo-ops some time in their lives. All of them. Many times, whether they like it or not. You see, every political figure, every elected official, (especially during an election season or before/during primaries) has camera crews following them around photographing and scrutinizing their every move. This is particularly true of the higher profile individuals, or presidential hopefuls. Often, then cannot even avoid being photographed.

I think there are worse offenses then being photographed shoveling dirt in NOLA. If it helps bring some press/attention to devastation still plaguing that area, so be it. Edwards has always had a very populist message, and has made it his life's work to defend the "little guy" from corporate monstrosity. I believe he's a genuinely nice person.

Your post was extremely vitriolic, and I cannot think of a single thing John Edwards has done to warrant that level of animosity. If you didn't like what you saw, so be it, but this post is actually venomous.

There are worse guys out there to get all worked up about.

[IndyOp]

62. Ian didn't write it - it is from Wonkette. (n/t)

[Vektor]

63. Ah.

I looked at the Wonkette page via the link provided, and didn't see all of the text that's in the OP.

I saw the pictures and the commentary by Wonkette, and it was different from what I see here. Who is the original author of the OP?

[IndyOp]

80. Apologies Vektor - I did not read the entire thread carefully enough.

Ian wrote it. I agree with you that the OP is harsh. In fact I would say ridiculously, absurdly harsh. :(

[Ian_rd]

67. Oh c'mon, hate me for it if you must, but at least give me credit for my own stuff! :(

Anyway, I know all too well that posting criticisms of Democratic politicians whose names don't rhyme with Joe Lieberman are sure to be flamed. William Pitt has been nice enough on more than one occasion to kick my posts with his clever one-word snarkiness. But we don't want to be a discussion forum of 100,000 partisan drones do we? As the admins once said: "This is the Underground, baby!"

Truth be told, I have no problem with Edwards' decision to run or his policy positions (as stated to date). What I do have a problem with is the kind of shallow, manipulative campaigning that we've seen from Bush, and the photo-op in question is all too familiar to how the Bushies have done their best to keep their base stupid by offering pretty pictures instead of thoughtful appeals.

Perhaps an additional reason why it angered me is that I like Edwards and hate to see a fav of mine acting in such a way.

(Wonkette contributed in no way to this post)

[Vektor]

91. Ok - thanks for clearing that up.

I don't hate you for your post, I just thought it was harsh.

You have a right to your opinion, of course, but man you really laid into ol' JE.

[WilliamPitt]

59. Boring

[vanboggie]

60. Did I log on to Freeperville?

What a disgusting thread. If these are "our own" talking here, we've been infected with Repuke nastiness. Some of these posts are the most despicable things I've ever read on DU.

I'd be proud to cast a vote for Edwards. Go get 'em John.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

65. so John Edwards botched a photo-op

but Bush botched the defense and rescue of an entire city.
Same shit they did to Kerry, so cut it out. The substance of the mens' actions is behind them- a lifetime of it. Edwards for working people, Kerry for veterans and military personnel.
One little mistake can't undo any of that.

[The Count]

73. he also helped start a war .....so, getting there!

[Joe Chi Minh]

68. I think John Edward's grossly overestimated your intelligence - albeit

unaware of the tizzy you would get in on his behalf.

You see politicians are not discarnate brains, purely psychic entities, but flesh and blood like us - mostly possessing all five senses. So they know that, in order to reach as many people as possible, they need to put out visual aids - just like the reporters on TV.

You want just dry, boring facts, go to a library, but don't expect any politician to renounce the salesman part of his role, in favour of the accountant's.

People are not sold on facts or truth, but on personality and character. And very wise that is, too. If I (assuming I wasn't already heavily in debt) or my wife went to a bank, in order to attend an interview with the manager to obtain a substantial loan, with a view to starting up or buying a business, and presented the manager with even the most impressively compelling business plan, unless he was himself massively incompetent and had somehow slipped throught the net, he would as politely but as swiftly as possible turn us down without further ado.

The problem would be that he could see with his own eyes that we tend to be honest to what a business person would consider a neurotic degree, wholly inconsistent with an acute business brain and mildly acquisitive orientation. The person who will be a good customer for a bank in terms of a loan will present a certain appearance and mien, suggesting such a brain and orientation, as well as a likely inclination and aptitude for networking and purposeful deference, even subservience to someone who could further their financial interests.

So, my advice to you girls is, "Get out of the library and get a life".

[lies and propaganda]

70. fuck wonkette.

Its a photo op when someone is actually doing sometrhing good? Its a photo op to turn the lights on in fucking Jackson Square only to turn em off the second you leave.

John Edwards is obviously more of a Human then the Wonkette I will no longer read.

[Melynn]

71. Photo-Ops are part of political campaigns nowadays

You might not like it but that's the way it is.

BTW, Edwards comes from a working class family. His father worked in a textile mill and his mother was a postal employee. And I believe that Edwards worked his way through college. So Edwards knows something about wearing a blue collar.

[Lex]

75. Photo Ops are only evil and bad when Democrats do them

don'tcha know?

I get sick of the double-standards set by Corporate Media and little hissyfit blogs like Wonkette's.

[Clark2008]

100. In a textile mill as a manager, not a mere employee, and later

as a consultant.

They were solidly upper middle class, not working class.

There's nothing wrong with that - I'm middle class - but it's sad that he feels he has to downplay his family's social status - or, at least, not correct the misconception that they lived on Tobacco Road or something.

[Pastiche423]

74. lol

Seriously, if you are going to spend the day shoveling dirt, are you going to wear a pressed flannel shirt?

[Lex]

76. Sounds like a great Repuke talking point.

Shop it over there at Freepville--they'll love it!

How about reading this post from this very thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=364&topic_id=2990239&mesg_id=2990739

[Pastiche423]

81. Can't answer the question

so you attack the messenger.

lol

[Lex]

82. I'm saying the message is outright WRONG and reflects poorly

on the messenger as well.

[Pastiche423]

86. What is wrong in asking a question?

[Lex]

94. Sorry if I have to explain something as simple as that to you

then there is no need to continue.

[Pastiche423]

95. Not going to answer my question, eh?

[Lex]

98. I already have

but you are apparently unable to follow the progression of simple conversation. I'm not condemning, I'm just saying.

Peace to you.

[Pastiche423]

99. No, you have not answered my question

Maybe it's you that needs to follow the progression of simple conversation.

Would you wear a pressed flannel shirt to shovel dirt?

[Lex]

101. First of all, is this the "pressed flannel shirt" in question?

Because if it is, then I'm having the biggest laugh right now.



But to answer your specific (and no doubt sincere) laundry question, no it is probably not the best idea to press a flannel shirt and then go shovel dirt all day, but I'm sure that it's been done before by people.

Now you can sleep well because the burning question of wearing pressed flannel to shovel dirt all day has been answered.

:hi:

[Pastiche423]

102. No, it's the flannel shirt in the article...

[Lex]

103. So that's a shirt from a different day when he was working?

Not from today's announcement? Don't tell me that he was there another time. And even different from this picture:



And is that dirt he has on his jeans in that picture? And sweat on his shirt? He probably faked that. :eyes:

And no, that beige shirt from that day when he was shoveling muck doesn't looked pressed either. That was only a photo op that day too I guess.

Sorry, nice try.

It must be hard to be so full of bile against the guy, day after day, year after year. It'll end up hurting you, not him, because hate eats people up from the inside and hardly ever affects the person it's directed toward.

Peace.

[Pastiche423]

104. So full of bile against the guy

because I asked a question about his shirt?

[WI_DEM]

77. Another dumb post attacking one of our democratic candidates

He was in a predominately black section of NOLA, so maybe that is why he was surrounded by black people.

[Left Is Write]

79. Sounds like Wonkette is pretty good at shoveling mud.

[NYCGirl]

85. That's what Wonkette is for — if you think it's serious political journalism,

you're really off base.

[Left Is Write]

90. I don't think I said that.

I just thought the term was apropos.

[Bluebear]

87. Well, Wonkette just got deleted from my bookmarks. nt

[pitohui]

105. oh for the love of pete

edwards is the real thing, he is not a poseur, he came from nothing and he has tried to help other people too

if you can't tell the diff between edwards and bushco then methinks you're being disingenuous, i suppose DU rules prevent me from saying what i really think

learn a little about the biographies of the two men and get back to me

edwards is the real deal, like clinton he came from nothing so they've got to tear him down because we can't have class mobility in the us of a

[usregimechange]

106. That, was un-called-for.

[ShaneGR]

108. I've been reading DU for 4 years now, and this ranks top 5 DUMBEST....

Absolute, complete, CRAP.

What a joke Wonkette has become.

[illinoisprogressive]

109. I thought it was funny

I like wonkette. Love the humor.