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castiron Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 12:50 AM
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Thoughts on rich folks by Jim Jones in a 1973 sermon
"I'm so purely socialistic and some of my family is so purely socialistic, some of the members of this glorious Temple are so purely socialistic, that you'd be glad to work to see that everyone had the same kind of house, the same kind of cars. Well, if you wanted your car painted differently, that'd be all right. You know, we're not talking about the same color, and exactly the same pieces of furniture. But say that everyone – and people are so afraid of socialism. Oh, they're so terrified. They say, what'll it do to us. Why you poor people, the people, the average man in the street, even the small grocery owner, the small businessman, if the money of this country were sh – actually shared, there would be approximately one hundred and ten thousand dollars income for every person in America. Because one – one rich man that today – they shown him in the picture – his picture of his grandson came out, his ears are gone. It's on the TV. J. Paul Getty. He's got 11 grandchildren, or 22 grandchildren, and he's worth billions of dollars. It wouldn't be – It'd be like him giving a penny if he had to give ransom to every one of his chil – his grandchildren. He's refusing – please listen – he's refusing to give any ransom to that grandchild, and they've cut both ears off now. They showed the – They showed the head, he said, I won't give a ce – dime. That's what the love of money does. That's called capitalism. The love of money is the root of all evil. Your Bible tells you that. The love of money is capitalism. To want to possess things, to want to have more than someone else, that is the antichrist system, that is the worst lie that's ever been put on humankind. We call it the antichrist, capitalism. Well, now, J.P. Getty makes $14,900,000 a day interest on his stocks and bonds and the money in his bank. And he will not give two hundred thousand dollars to this – this grandchild, his kidnappers. And they've cut off two ears now. And he says they can cut off his fingers one by one, he'll not do anything to help him. (Pause) That's what rich does. That's why I hate those who have riches. I don't hate them because of their be – being a human being, it's because of their – what they stand for. (Pause) They're killing the world. They're choking the air. They're choking the streets. The love of money. These cars companies that won't – well, they won't make a good carburetor. You can get – you can get a carburetor – it was patented in the 1920s – that will give you seventy miles to the gallon. But the oil industries, the great big oil industries and the motor industries, didn't want to go along with it. So that patent was bought off by rich people. Now our airs are choked. We're killing ourselves. Our streams, our land is polluted. Everything is being destroyed by the love of money, capitalism. That's why we say we're socialist and our enemy, the devil, is capitalism. (Pause) And the love of money is the things that's inundating this world with pain. That's what causes violence. That's why youngsters are robbing people on the streets, because everyone thinks of themselves as alone against the world. Everyone thinks, I've got to make my own. No one teaches that we help or bear one another's burdens, so every child feels like he's got to steal his way through. So everybody's turned against each other. That's why black are against black, because we're taught to be against each other. The rich wants us to fight among themselves, so the rich can stand off and laugh, and drain us dry, and use us to be their work slaves."

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~remoore/jonestown/AboutJonestown/Tapes/Tapes/TapeTranscripts/transcripts.html
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 12:59 AM
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1. "Hey, now that we're done with this sermon, let's all drink some nice Kool-Aid.
It'll be a refreshing thing for all of us. I'm a nice guy, so I'll let all of you have the Kool-Aid. 'What's that in my hand?' Oh don't worry about that, I'm just going to light up, it's a lighter."
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:00 AM
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2. Just a hint, you might not want to quote Jim Jones in the future.
Just a hint now.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:05 AM
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3. And the point of posting this was....?
:shrug:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:05 AM
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4. Got to keep up with the Joneses?
:shrug:

:-)
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:08 AM
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5. Crazy religious people can be capitalists, socialists, or fascists.

News alert?

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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:15 AM
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6. That Jones guy was a wacko, straight up.
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 01:16 AM by susanna
Everything that he EVER said should have set off every alert in the human instinctive preservation system. The fact that it didn't is frightening.

In total, the point of this post actually escapes me, unless you're dissing some sort of aberrant socialism. Most socialism, aberrant or not, I would heartily discount as well. So I'm not sure what your post is going for. I give it a 2.3.

Next.

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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:54 AM
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7. If there were more people like Jim Jones...
There'd be fewer people like Jim Jones.
:crazy:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:06 AM
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8. And thus...
Endeth the thread. Amen. ;-)
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G Hawes Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:08 AM
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9. WTF?
I guess I'm missing the point of the OP.

:shrug:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:25 AM
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10. He was like a left-wing Pat Robertson, but 1000 times worse
Robertson may be a pompous ass, a church funds stealer, and a Reverse Christian ("Blessed are the warmakers." etc.), but what Jones did was an abomination.

So hey, pat Robertson, hold your head high. You may be a cruel and bad man masquerading behind your huckster's uniform, but at least you aren;t as horrible as Jim Jones.
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