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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:49 AM
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Do wish the media would stop calling him the "only unelected President"
Because we all know there is another :eyes:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:52 AM
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1. It may or may not be true, but the evidence was destroyed in either case.
It appears John Kerry knew the vote was rigged against him, but he had no evidence to prove it because there was no paper trail with e-voting machines in places like Ohio.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 07:58 AM
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2. Eeeee! Wrong answer
Ohio only had about 5/88 counties with direct-recording electronic voting machines in November 2004.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:10 AM
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6. I said "places like Ohio."
Other battleground states like Florida and others were in play as well. BTW, do you have the statistics on the total number of votes in those 5 counties that were cast on e-voting machines?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:04 AM
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3. Yep.
When you LOST the deciding state, your campaign SOS purges votes and the Supreme Court SELECTS you, you WEREN'T Democratically elected.

He stole the 2000 election. Voting to "reelect" an illegitimate commander-in-chief who seized power by judicial coup d'état is a tacit endorsement of how he got into the White House in the first place. How the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Bush v. Gore is irrelevant. As a federal court, the five runaway Supreme Court justices had no right to agree to hear the case. Under our system of government, elections--and election disputes--fall under state jurisdiction. Their decision to take the case, the way they fixed the outcome in Bush's favor, and Bush's willingness to assume the presidency extraconstitutionally are outrages that no patriotic American, even if they agree with his policies, can forgive.

And no media rewrite will ever change that, RESIDENT Bewsh.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:13 AM
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7. hear, hear! Once illegitimate, always illegitimate!
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:07 AM
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4. unelecting a president
I would support a constitutional amendment to allow the people to unelect a
president through a big petition, unelect any member any time, with a big
petition. The public's right to impeach shall remain unimpeached. :-)
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:14 AM
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8. You can't "un-elect" the unelected though. But you can impeach an usurper.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:26 AM
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11. no-votes
Really, the democracy system could use an update to handle a negative vote.

A public veto would be nice, like any bill that accumulated 10% of the population's
e-signatures 'no' within a month of coming from the president, a bill would be dropped.

Electronic signatures could be used for public petitions on the supreme court website,
so that the petitions would stand as public record law.

Electronic voting has such potential if progressives get ahold of it.

A person's vote could stand as a public mark on the supreme court website,
one that one could change at any time, that election polling operate on a continuous
basis with members and elecutives changed when they are thrown out, or they learn to
run on consensus more... The technology exists today, to give the people
some powers inconceivable in the day of the framers, powers to inject public common sense
with a firm 'no'.

no to the usurper, no to his dominion of prisons, police and pricks.

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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:07 AM
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5. That's the first thing that popped into my head
when reading about Mr. Ford's passing. "The only unelected president"...yes, until Dubya came along.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:17 AM
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9. Yep.
Unless one counts the Supreme Court's "electing" Bush in 2000, then Ford can only be considered the first unelected president.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:23 AM
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10. The only election that counts is the Electoral College.
Bush 43 was elected by the Electoral College.

Under our currentconstitution, you have no assured
right to vote for President and you don't.

Tesha
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:35 AM
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12. But the electoral College didn't have the right to do so - that's invalid too
both in 2000 and in 2004.
Simply putting a crown on the head doesn't legitimize an usurper.
No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig, it's still a pig.
In 2000, (at least)Florida's electoral votes belonged to Gore.
In 2004 - alt least Florida & Ohio belonged to Kerry.
No matter at which level the fraud occurred, it did - and it invalidated the election.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:38 AM
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13. Yes we do, so feel free to add the phrase every time you hear it,
especially in publick!
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