Grateful Dead to play Pelosi tribute

[the other one]

well, sort of anyway. Jerry won't be there, of course, and neither will Phil Lesh, who is recovering from prostate surgery, but 3/5 of the original band, plus frequent guest Bruce Hornsby will play together. For those who remember, Warren Haynes played the part of Jerry Garcia during the bands 2004 reunion tour.

https://www.dccc.org/contribute/events/celebration_concert

Please Join
The House Democratic Leadership &
The House Democratic Caucus
For a Celebration Concert Honoring
Speaker Nancy Pelosi
with Special Musical Performances by
Tony Bennett
Carole King
Wyclef Jean
And
Your House Band
Featuring
Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Bob Weir,
Bruce Hornsby, Warren Haynes,
Mike Gordon, and Special Guests

If I had a spare $1,000.00 I would buy my ticket in a second. Maybe they could offer bootleg tapes for a $20 donation...

[ET Awful]

1. Also, Mike Gordon is the former bassist from Phish prior to their split.

Just as an fyi.

[Greeby]

3. I'm not a fan of the Dead, but I gotta say

Yes, those two kitties ARE awesome :loveya:

[skipos]

2. I never got the Dead

But I guess that's music for ya. I liked "Touch of Grey" though.

[ClassWarrior]

4. I'd buy one of those bootlegs...

Very cool.

Jerry Garcia, Vince Welnick, RIP.

NGU.

[cali]

5. It must be noted that dems are supported

by far better musicians than pukes.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Hey- don't be dissin' the Nuge~!

And, you know, that "we'll put a boot in yer ass" guy. :crazy:

[e menshevik]

6. Dead, Inc.

Yeah, the GD produced some decent if mostly predictable muzak here and there (tho' Aoxomoxoa may have been the best), but the Dead (CEO, Bobby Weir) are as much a part of corporate-consumer Kultur as is Starbucks or Chevrolet (this said after gazing at the dozens of $20+ GD Sea-Dees at the local B & N--). The average Keith Jarrett recording superior to nearly the entire history of rock....

[the other one]

8. Welcome to DU but...

I think you are off base with your assessment of the Dead. I only wish elevators were playing Dark Star for Muzak. Forget the store-shelf CDs and try some live tracks to turn your head around.

http://stores.musictoday.com/store/dept.asp?band_id=171&sfid=7&dept_id=1541

[e menshevik]

10. OK (edit)

It's all good. Maybe if they get Branford Marsalis to play with 'em .....Add a bit more chromaticism. Or play like Eric Satie music. Or 'Trane. Dead changes are a bit dull.

[Zensea]

15. Pharoah is still playing - how about him instead of Branford? :)

Sanders that is.:)

or Marshall Allen ...

[e menshevik]

17. not bad: Sonny

Rollins still plays as well, but I doubt his complex, ironic style would go over well with folks who hold Fire on the Mountain to be the greatest jam evah. I'm ok with a bit of free jazz, but prefer pre-65. (OK I wager there are others who have played Kind of Blue 500+ times). Branford did jam with the GD I think at one point, and it sounded purdy tasty. The rhythm section is there, at least. Maybe if they could just do like Autumn Leaves, or So What.......

[Zensea]

18. Sanders is in pre-65 mode these days

Just saw him a month ago and he played Giant Steps, My Favorite Things and Ole, long extended versions that were fairly faithful to the Trane versions.
His take on Giant Steps was blistering, one of the best I've heard.

Kenny Garrett sat in for part of the sets also ... :) He'd be a good choice too.

[e menshevik]

61. Ossifer Pelosi, pig

she's a cop. And even rich hippies are cops these days. Bobby Weir works for the Feds

[KelleyKramer]

12. Total Bullshit

I'm sorry to point out that you couldnt be more wrong....

The Dead almost single-handedly changed the corporate controlled music business.

They gave away their music for free.. and the corporate execs threw a fit, saying it would ruin the Dead and possibly the entire music biz

As a result of more people hearing their music, the Dead became one of the biggest selling tours in music history

And today, you can get thousands of live shows from thousands of bands... for free on the internet

[e menshevik]

13. ;)

They don't give their CDs away, nor do they hold free concerts (what were tix to Bonna-Rue? $30-40 ++). OK, the GD may do some good, but still consumerism---consumerism for hipsters tho.'

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Yes, clearly artists should all work for free.

I'm certain you do.

[e menshevik]

43. Wrong

again. I'm an educator and IT person--not an artiste, anyways. But your J-Edgarist profiling skills are not the worst: perhaps you could put them to use with the Feds.

[Zensea]

14. I think that's an overstatement

The thousands of live shows on the internet from thousands of bands have nothing to do with the Dead unless you want to obliquely trace the development of the personal computer and the internet to a bunch of brilliant acid heads who listened to the Dead and decided to change the world. In that sense, yes, but it is really more a product of a zeitgeist that the Dead were part of, the zeigeist was not a product of the Dead.
The Dead (or I prefer the real name, The Grateful Dead) never gave their music away for free either, what they did do was allow people to make and trade tapes without suing them -- that's a bit different of a proposition. These days, once Weir (and I know there's some dispute about this) realized how extensive the internet trading of flacs had become, the whole thing got shut down, the files got yanked from the internet archive, etc.(though I know it's still around if you know where to look)
I've always been a great fan of their music and saw them quite a bit back in the day, but this idealization of them that I see in your post is really inaccurate.

[KelleyKramer]

19. " the whole thing got shut down"

You said:

" the whole thing got shut down, the files got yanked from the internet archive,"

Ummmm, there are so many Dead concerts on the internet archive that they have an entire section JUST for GD music

http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead

(and take a look at the top of that page, GD are the ONLY band with a link to the huge number of their concerts available for free)

And yes, if you had to name one band that started the passing of free music, it would be the Grateful Dead.

To call them "Dead Inc" or compare them to Starbucks or Chevrolet is so far off, its laughable.

[e menshevik]

20. No.

Their products are mass-produced and sold, like coffee (or even SUVs). They make millions from the product: there is certainly a profit motive (and marketing, branding (the skull logo, etc.), and a Dead consumer-culture--the target audience). There is a group of a few very wealthy people (the band members themselves) at top, like corporate executives. The GD music-product may be somewhat more important than corporate-produced coffee (or computers, or TVs, booze, etc.), but it functions in a similar manner, really. The record company sells stock as well, I wager.

The archived recordings are ok, I guess--whatev's. The Dead worship though seems rather strange, given the rather simplistic nature of the music-product. And the Dead's not only corporate really: more like a countercultural church. But some of us have different taste in church music, even counter-cultural church music. IN some sense even a Satie was writing nearly psychedelic music like 100 years ago....not to say Mussorgsky ...dissent and subversion were not created in 1968--more like 1768...

(and of course there are 100s of other very talented rock/jazz/classical musicians--even just around the Bay-- who live in low-rent housing (or La Rue) who could play circles around most of the Dead dudes--not only 6 stringers but pianists, horn players. Most of them give CDs away, giving lessons to buy food, or are hustling some DJs to like play a few cuts at 2 am..)

[KelleyKramer]

26. " there is certainly a profit motive "

No, there certainly is not

They already had enough money and didnt care... thats why they gave the music away for free.

(and thats some pretty good flame bait you put in there on edit... well actually, no... you need to practice more)

Welcome to DU and enjoy your stay here.

Buh Bye

:hi:

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[e menshevik]

52. Whoa! Here come the dykes

and they got on some dread tie-dye, and badges. Bobby Weir: cop

[KittyWampus]

21. I actually thought that poster was being weirdly sarcastic.

And that reminds me, I should search online for the Lewiston Maine concert from the early 80's...

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Just because I'm an atheistic materialist science-worshipper

doesn't mean I can't help out a fellow 'head:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-09-06.wise.unknown.322.sbeok.shnf

[Zensea]

22. Not precisely

The archive just has streaming mp3s now unless it's changed again since I last looked (I can't check now because that stuff gets blocked at my job because of bandwidth issues)
The flacs all got pulled (which I mentioned).
And it did get shut down for a bit.
I was assuming you knew the history and didn't fill it all in.

I feel that the passing of free music is something slightly different than the internet trading. The internet trading would have happened no matter what once the technology developed. The band didn't start the trading either, it was the fans that did that, the underground. The band allowed it for which I give them plenty of credit. That was back in the day though. These days things are a bit different.
I didn't call them Dead Inc. (that was someone else) although these days it's not completely laughable to do so, particularly given some of Weir's actions as I understand them.
Lesh less so in my opinion.

[WilliamPitt]

24. Not to mention the fact

that the free music phenomenon is now standard for all jam bands.

Oh, and they also controlled their own ticket sales, and told TicketBastard to take a flying leap.

[ET Awful]

46. And pressed their own records to insure quality (losing money in the process)

Until they could no longer feasibly do so, that is.

Should we get into the money they raised for rain forest preservation, odd things like the Lithuanian mens olympic basketball team, the SEVA foundation, etc.?

[WilliamPitt]

23. Whatever

So wrong.

[e menshevik]

28. They're scabs

but then so are most journalists, or webmeisters for that matter.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

29. Ouch

Insult The Dead, Will Pitt and DU all at once? Nice.

Look, lots of people don't "get" the Dead. I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with Bobby and the gang making lots of money off the years of work they put in making wonderful music and touring almost non-stop; one of the greatest things about a Dead tour is that they rarely played the same songs twice during a run of shows. I'd go see them all 3 nights in Oakland and hear different songs. How many bands do that?

They made me very happy in their time. I mostly listen to newer music now but I still appreciate their music (it's just not nearly the same taped as it was live in person).

One of the greatest live bits of music I've heard recently was in fact the beautiful Gillian Welch and the immensely talented David Rawlings performing "China Doll" -- for the first time, they said -- at the free Hardly Strictly Bluegrass fest in SF this past October. My jaw was dropped, not just at the beauty of the song and the memories of Jerry but at their stunning delivery. One of those perfect live music moments. :)

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[Warren DeMontague]

36. Whereas most would-be holdout marxists are overgrown college students

still spanking the monkey to a tattered copy of Das Kapital. :hi:

[e menshevik]

39. Hah hah.

Yes, we need more eco-buddhism and new-age corporatism ala the Dead: let them eat........CDs!

I doubt you know Das Capital from like your copy of Castaneda.

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[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Each his own

I have no problem with talented people doing well from playing music or doing art. It sure beats enriching yourself by bankrupting the US Treasury.

[mdmc]

32. Throwing stones is about Dick Cheney

welcome to DU...

[e menshevik]

35. What?

What's more amusing about all of this, is how simply objecting to an au courant corporate liberal icon--the Grateful Dead--often results in this sort of nearly-hysterical excoriation: "you don't like the Dead or, say, Miss Pelosi? You must be conservative!" (Delete/block me/turn me into the "liberal" run FBI, whatever). (btw I detest BushCo and voted Kerry if yr askin'--(another bogus liberal in many ways))

The Dead are conservatives, regardless if they consume drugs or hang with lesbians. Musically, the GD are about as radical as like the average Methodist service; indeed JP Sousa a bit more inventive. And anyone who like enjoys and understands say Coltrane or even Duke Ellington (not to say Debussy or Satie) has plenty of reason to object to the ascendency of the psychedelic fiddlers. Granola, Inc. (has anyone on DU heard of or remember Cactus Ed Abbey? He also said the same about the GD)

[mdmc]

40. The Dead used to be big supporters of Dick Cheney

here is the story bro - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=290x676

As far as me defending the dead, fuck that. I don't care that you don't like them or think they are cons... whatever... I wish less people liked them, then I could still get $5.00 tix to their shows.

Musically, I love liberal political music (Dan Bern, the Dead, Dead Kennedys, Pete Seeger, Black Flag, The Guthrie Family woody/arlo/sara-lee, U2). The argument could be made that these performers are all conservatives too. Feel free to make it bro, I won't diss you.

[e menshevik]

45. Barlow

definitely is con. Whatever--I expect they'll block my access soon, and I'll wait a few days, wedge in another proxy and return, and say something like "Queen Feinstone's voting record is more rightist than most yankee repubes," and be blocked again. I'm not into censorship or control of Ahht, though I don't care for most granola-y or overtly political music: part of growing old, really. Music like by Chopin is, to me, political and indeed revolutionary, as well as complex and sublime (Fred sympathized with the Jacobins as well) But the GD obviously have raked it in, and as I initially claimed, I don't deny that they may have had some positive political impact, regardless if their music doesn't appeal.

[ET Awful]

47. So, not only do you admit to posting intentional flame bait, you state

your intent to intentionally violate DU posting rules if you are banned for doing so?

Takes a big man to do that.

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[ET Awful]

49. Your maturity knows no bounds.

If you don't approve of one of the approved icons? ? ? What icons would those be? There are PLENTY of people here that dislike the Dead, and for numerous reasons. Guess what . . . they don't make idiots of themselves saying so, and they don't attack DU, and the mod team to do so.

They simply state their opinion without giving themselves a minor stroke in the process.

You should have yourself evalauted.

[e menshevik]

54. faster, snitchskis

you ought to be careful: you might find yourself deleted soon

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[Warren DeMontague]

66. Barlow's a libertarian, pizza man.

Maybe that constitutes a "con" to you, but he certainly doesn't seem too enamored with Cheney NOW:

http://eff.org

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[Warren DeMontague]

65. Michael Stipe is a closet Flat-Tax Supporter. I have it on good authority that "West of the Fields"

was written by R.E.M. as an advocacy piece for Reagan and trickle-down economics.

;-)

[Zensea]

50. I give the Grateful Dead more credit than you're giving them but

I do see your point somewhat. Despite being heavily into the band at points the idolization of them bugs me a bit too.

I think though that musically there is more to them than you credit.
Steve Reich has good things to say about Lesh, for example, and they did study together.
There also were a lot of guitar players who respected Garcia which counts for something also.

I've got a massive jazz collection, almost every Coltrane album for starters, and I can still appreciate the Dead.
Sure they are not on his level, but who is?
It's a little unfair to compare advanced jazz to rock and roll.
It's about as bad as classical music snobbery.
The parameters and theories and basis and structure of the musics are based on different paradigms.
Apples and oranges.

The conservative issue is different also since the band is not a monolith.Barlow and Weir are fairly conservative I suspect. I'm not nearly as sure about Lesh or the rest. I think they are more apolitical than anything, more focused on their art. Not everyone focuses on politics after all. I don't think that makes them automatically conservative by default even if they are running a business.

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[Warren DeMontague]

33. Bitch, Bitch, Bitch, Moan Moan Moan.

Welcome to DU.

[Bake]

42. Ain't THAT the truth!

He/she'll fit right in though ... the usual elitist snobbishness that nothing anybody else likes is any good, it has to be "my particular taste in jazz and everything else is inferior," that is so rampant around this place lately. You see it in everything from music to pizza ("the only pizza worth eating is the one made by hand in the pizzeria on the corner by me"). In other words, anything that is enjoyed by too many people, even DUers, must be bad.

Sigh.

Bake

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. Based On This Post, I'd Say You Need Much Further Exposure/Education On The Dead.

They are one of the most genuinely talented, creative, original and entertaining rock bands of all time.

They're one of the only bands I would ever classify as truly brilliant.

[natrat]

69. wow-what a nasty thing to say given this context and reality

no welcome here

[zulchzulu]

7. I'd like to hear Tony Bennett sing a version of "Unbroken Chain" or "Dark Star"

Wish I could be there and hope Phil is A-OK...

[deaniac21]

9. What did Jerry Garcia says when he got out of rehab?

***********************************************
Man, this music sucks!

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Har har har

Your loss.

[mdmc]

41. long live Clay Akin

:)

[Warren DeMontague]

68. I know. Everyone's a critic.

Would that we could see into their CD changers, eh?

[deaniac21]

70. How meany Deadheads does it take to change a lightbulb?

****************************************************************************************************
One to actually change it, 2,000 to take pictures of it, and 10,000 to follow it around until it burns out.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. Very funny. Except the numbers should actually be in the tens of millions.

We are everywhere. Like it or not.

[deaniac21]

72. I know

[Warren DeMontague]

73. Pat Leahy, too.

And Al Gore.

[Zensea]

11. Not even close without Lesh or Garcia

or Pigpen.

Just sounds like a Weir band with great sidemen to me. Not the same thing at all.
(although it's nice to see the double drummer attack be happening)

[Henryman]

16. the name of the band....

I think you guys are missing e menshevik's point. The name of the band was "The Grateful Dead" until Garcia's death, then the other members toured as "The Other Ones" for a few years. In 2004, they became "The Dead". However, the old "Grateful Dead" was commonly referred to as "The Dead". My 2 cents.

[the other one]

74. thanks for your 2 cents, and welcome to DU!

"Grateful Dead" makes a better subject line than "the Dead" or "the Other Ones," hence I used it lead the thread. The band doesn't have a name, but its obviously a "Grateful Dead incarnation" whatever you want to call it. My speculation is that they will jam, and I also speculate that we will see this line-up tour this summer. Warren Haynes can stand in for Jerry as well as anyone on the planet, and I believe Mike Gordon can bring the bottom. So call it what you will, but at least say that a jamming band made up of former Grateful Dead members and other world class musicians are getting together to support democrats. We have to agree on that wording, don't we?

[AX10]

30. kick

[mdmc]

31. nice

:kick:r
thanks for the heads up!

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Kick

I remember Bob dedicated New Speedway Boogie to Nancy Pelosi at a Ratdog show a couple years ago.

[mdmc]

44. GDTRFB

:kick: