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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:46 PM
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Bush Officially Embraces Vietnam-Era Strategy Of Publicizing Enemy Body Counts In Iraq
Bush Officially Embraces Vietnam-Era Strategy Of Publicizing Enemy Body Counts In Iraq

In late October, Bush told a group of conservative journalists that the administration had made a decision not to report the number of Iraqis killed by the U.S. military. The publication of those figures was widely seen as a counter-productive strategy during the Vietnam War

Today, Tony Snow announced that the administration had reversed course and would be publicizing body counts to disabuse people of the notion that “our people aren’t doing anything” in Iraq.

QUESTION: Why did he decide to give enemy body counts, something that they generally try to stay away from?

SNOW: Well, that’s a good question. I won’t try to — rather than trying to tell you why the president said what he said, because I can’t put him on the couch right now, what I can do is at least offer one possible reason why that’s an important data point for Americans, which is — there’s a lot of concern about U.S. casualties and deaths, as there should be: 103 deaths in October alone.

SNOW: And there is quite often the impression — and I’ve talked about it up here — that our people aren’t doing anything; they’re just targets.

And I think there’s a certain amount of unease in the American public because they hear about deaths, but they don’t hear about what’s going on.

I was speaking last night with a service member, just recently back. He was at our party.

And he’s frustrated because a lot of the activities that they do never get reported.

One of the things that never seems to be counterposed to the death counts is what our service men and women are doing. And one of the things they’re doing is they’re fighting the bad guys.

And as General Chiarelli said recently, bad guys haven’t won a single battle.

For obvious reasons, going back to the Vietnam era, people are loathed to do body counts, but it probably is worth at least giving a general impression of the relative battlefield success of what’s going on, which is a great many members of Al Qaida in Anbar, and also, people who are committing acts of violence in Baghdad and elsewhere, are dying or being captured as a result of these military activities.

QUESTION: Is this something, then, the White House would like to the American public to judge: We killed this many bad guys versus how many of us are killed? Is that something you want as a metric from now on?

SNOW: I don’t know. But I think the most important — I think it is important that Americans learn as much as possible about what’s going on in Iraq.

And that’s not merely militarily — to get a sense of where the violence is located, how widespread it is, what’s going on in civil society. Is there hope in certain provinces? What is the full picture in Iraq?

.......Video and Transcript here........

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/14/bush-body-counts/

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:49 PM
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1. Yep..he sure did.
The Pentagon was playing the numbers game earlier in this criminal fiasco but they gave it up after a while.

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:50 PM
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2. what about the number of innocent civillians killed by Americans?
("Americans" consisting of both troops and private contractors)

will we be seeing those numbers anytime soon?
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:51 PM
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3. this is disgusting
These "body counts" are of people who were trying to get the foreigners out of their country.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 04:52 PM
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4. Dam Body Count from Nam was made up
Edited on Thu Dec-14-06 04:55 PM by Monkeyman
Hell is that what Bush is going to do?? In Nam say we had a fire fight four NVA killed. On the dam report that number went up to Fourteen
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 05:00 PM
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5. They just don't get it, do they? n/t
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 05:21 PM
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6. No they never learn
Vietnam should of taught these people.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 05:24 PM
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7. Yes, we killed 2-3 million NV vs. the 58,000 deaths we suffered
and that really turned out well.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:28 PM
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8. You know the count on us should be higher. Agent Orange
Took a hell of a lot of us.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:32 PM
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9. And, he's about to revive the glorious strategy of ESCALATION.
Of course, it's to be a "temporary" measure until the Iraqis under Iraqization can take over, followed by by more body counts and further "temporary" escalation.

It all worked so well for that other Texan.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:40 PM
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10. They are evil
And so are all the freepers who voted for this - "Bad guys?" Yes, this nation should take the responsibility for all the Iraqis it has killed, but especially those who supported this useless war. 600,000 people dead, most of whom didn't have to be - all of whom have relatives who hate us now if they didn't before.

As to whether it should be published, it's the truth, isn't it? Why are we to be shielded from that? Though there will be those sickos who cheer it on, seeing us as "winning" because we killed more of them.



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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:41 PM
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11. Awesome!! Only 24 million to go
Patient. We must be patient!!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 11:12 PM
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15. The only reason this score-keeping makes sense is if you
eventually hope to get to 0. So you're exactly right, Jacobin
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:42 PM
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12. Dam we lost 103 in October?
Holy shit.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 06:55 PM
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13. Noncombatants are very convenient for running up a more impressive count.
Have we learned nothing?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:10 PM
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14. apparently not
and the tv viewers will eat this BS up.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:13 AM
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16. Gee won't be long before we start to see
EAR NECKLACES, like I did, two years before I was drafted and joined the AF..

I remember being a kid and hearing, "300 ENEMY killed today, unfortunately One American suffered a Hangnail.."

I KNEW the body counts were bullshit, either that or we were Massacreing people by the ton.

THey are reducing it to SPORT at this point.

But it won't make any difference, having seen all this before, you can count on this being OVER within three years.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:41 AM
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17. scarry shit...........
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 12:42 AM by The Gunslinger
his policy has turned into.........

Scoreboard...we killed more than you..
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 12:44 PM
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18. So, how long before all of the official body counts add up to more
Than the population of Iraq?
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