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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:16 AM Original message |
Supermax Prisons Are Torture. Period. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Prison is supposed to be an unpleasant place where criminals are punished |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. there is a large difference between imprisonment and solitary confinement |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. That may be your definition, but I don't think that most Americans would agree with you |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Would it be the same majority that believes in WMD? Or that gay couples should not |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. That what happens when you live in a society where the |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Indeed. But it has nothing to do with your fallacious implication. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
99. so then there is no reason to impeach Bush or end the Iraq war? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #99 |
140. Did the voters elect representatives who promised to do so? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. no, they did not. |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
166. 'most americans' still think there are WMD's in Iraq... |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #166 |
200. He has none. Argumentum ad populum is fallacious and not |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #166 |
204. My point is that the American people are not very sympathetic to convicted murderers and |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
64. Quakers learned that the hard way with Eastgate State Penitentiary |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Eastern State |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Oops! You're right... |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. My SO occassionally had former inmates on tours |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I suggest you read some of the links n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I did |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Rehabilitation, not punishment, is what a civilized society strives for |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. If I could K&R a post, your's would be it (nt) |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Should Mr. Rudolph be rehabilitated? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. What does 'rehabilitated' mean really? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. So, if someone with a life sentence pretends to be rehabilitated |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
167. you are really into false choices and logical fallacies aren't you? |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
207. Thanks SS. It brings up the question that really is at the root of all of this: |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:21 PM Original message |
I'd imagine he'd be a lot easier for the guards to handle if rehabilitated |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
77. Ideally, rehab is the goal. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
88. No, the point of punishment is to deter |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
179. You Think a COMMITED Rightwinger Like Rudo Can Be Rehabilitated? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
183. I think anyone can be rehabilitated under the right circumstances |
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ninkasi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
196. I agree |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
199. Rehabilitation is a noble goal |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. I Don't Agree |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
158. No, it isn't. It is supposed to be confinement paired with rehabilitation. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
175. I agree |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
205. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. I agree. Celebrating the suffering of anyone, no matter how malicious |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
10. Sorry Supermax is the right place for ppl like Rudolph and the Unibomber |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You can protect society |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Sorry they do not have a nice Tea Time |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Read the HRW report! |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Answer the question |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I can answer it. What do I want for them? Humane, highly secure imprisonment. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
96. That is what I want also. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You. Are. Just. Plain. Wrong. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. How were they tortured.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Read the fucking reports. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. We are not talking about Padilla but the Unibomber |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. He was treated in much the same manner |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Padilla was detained without cause, so you might get some |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. HRW says it's torture for the mentally ill |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
91. That's only one of the statements HRW |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I read it, and gave the cirumstances for which they claim it's "torture" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Oh for the love of Pete. Here: |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. And I'll give you the closing paragraph: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
118. I don't know why I'm allowing myself to be drawn into this with you |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
125. Wow, three free meals, a free orange jumpsuit, and a free bed |
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LeftofU (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
86. supermax or level 5 in |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
12. Agree completely cali |
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StrictlyRockers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Agree with cali. Disagree with wakeme2008. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. These people are Terrorist that have killed people |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Straw man. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. What is NOT humane with Supermax |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Isolation, lack of stimulation. |
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Anakin Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
180. Fine. We Should Supply Video Games for Them! |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #180 |
203. I'd think an evidence-based prison program would be better. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
156. totally!!! |
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StrictlyRockers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. If your brother went insane and blew people up, how would you want him treated? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. What crap. |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. WHAT THE FUCK MORE DO THESE ASSHOLE need |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Straw man. One can be tortured but have a clean cell and food. You're using the |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. You have no clue what the meaning of straw man is do you |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. LOL! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. No, I think he got it pretty right.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. No one on this thread |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I'm on your side |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Oops , sorry |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Deleted message |
MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
85. There you go with the straw man again. No one has suggested they |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Deleted message |
mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I told you what more I want: humane treatment, which would mean |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. And what of the type of prisoners |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. In very limited, highly regulated ways. But the isolation is not the |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #95 |
110. Read #36 and tell me about prisoners being killed by other prisoners |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. I don't need to read it to know my answer: no, it's not. NT |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. So what is wrong with Supermax |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Please stop lying by saying things like "Nothing but freeing the pedophile |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #127 |
138. You just want to free the assholes. nothing else will make you happy |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. I don't see why you'd choose to say that, since it is not my position. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #138 |
181. Didn't you claim you were not using strawmen... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
131. If it's so wonderful, I suggest you try living under those conditions |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The poster would not say what pampering he thought these killers needed |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. And that right there |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Deleted message |
MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I win |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. You haven't even read the Human Rights Report, have you? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. This is ridiculous. |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
133. Here's what goes on |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
82. As I recall, it's a fallacious argument in which one person ignores another's |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 08:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
201. Sorry wakeme, as an outsider not in this fight |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
19. It's a shame |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
51. Amen H2O Man |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
191. It's 'cheaper' than the alternative: a society where everyone is cherished. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
30. Can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Then you DO believe in torture. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You are mistaken to be putting words in my mouth. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Again, proving you do believe in torture. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Neener neener boo boo. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I think you're channneling Bush's "We do not torture" speech. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Locking indiscriminate killers away for a long time is not torture. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. No one said locking them up is torture. Please put away your straw men. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
32. As someone whom is interested in prisons, and the justice system... |
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Homer Wells (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
143. You might recall Dr Darnay in A Tale of Two Cities |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
36. I think they are a waste of money... |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
38. Well then just imagine what the CONCENTRATION CAMP at Guantanmo Bay is like. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. So because I didn't address |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
52. I think that for the privilege of being a cop, prosecutor, or judge, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Even a week |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
53. You are correct |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Thank you, Kevin |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
155. Treating people we hate like human beings |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #155 |
163. I can only imagine what great challenge |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
208. Part of the problem |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
55. You're not going to get very far in today's climate with any |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
57. Thank you for these links |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
60. I worked in Florence, Colorado a couple of years ago... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
109. we frequently had escapes from the CCA prison on the west side of nashville |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
63. Thank you, Cali... |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Animals can be more deserving of humane treatment... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. OK |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
112. Some of it yes... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
87. If humans should know better, then we should indeed know better than |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Why should all prisoners be treated the same? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Did someone say they should all be treated the same? Or are you |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
73. Agreed. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
76. Supermax prisons are politically expedient, but it probably isn't helping to "reform" people |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
81. An alternative |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
114. I agree... |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
89. There's just not enough money to do a good job in corrections. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. care to expand on that? |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
119. If we accept that behavior is a result of thinking, |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. you're right, it would be incredibly expensive. But it sounds like it could work |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
90. Here in AZ |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
97. Well, if you feel that strongly about it, |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Cutsy little comment |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
106. I didn't want to feel left out of the feeding frenzy. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
165. As Long As You're Going To Hold Up a Remorseless Jihadist As Your Example |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. I've heard this kind of rational argument before, but where? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Oh, and when they suggested we bring back the draft, because that |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. Republicans don't get drafted, and won't be in those prisons |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. So true, not because there's any shortage of Republican criminals, though. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #120 |
144. Well, looks like you've found a worthy cause. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Im not following your snarky and uninformed comment |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #146 |
151. I'm saying if you target your anger at the "right" people, you may even |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
173. and you know that will never happen, so what you are saying is meaningless |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #173 |
184. Then you've admitted defeat. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. I've admitted defeat nowhere. You just offer bullshit "solutions" |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #188 |
193. My old boss you to say, if you want a problem solved, always bitch up. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #193 |
197. so you honestly think, for example, a draft will work |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 08:50 AM Response to Reply #197 |
202. I think there won't be a draft because talk of a draft will bring people |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
101. this country has a real penchant for punishment but devotes very few resources . . . |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
105. My son's in prison. Prisoner's are human too.... |
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northamericancitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
128. Thank you for sharing...... K & R |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #128 |
159. Thankyou too. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
111. I completely agree. They're also useless |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
122. IMO, I think it would make senes for both inmates and guards to have SOME social stimulation |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. I agree with you. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
135. Yes, interesting cross-cultural comparison |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. It's the same reason we have TVs in prisons |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
126. All prisons are torture |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. I wouldn't go that far. |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I don't think you'll find much precedent for that. |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #137 |
147. Traffic Fine != Torture |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. So torture is defined by its inevitability? |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. How do you define torture? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. I'd say it's somewhere between your definition and George Bush's. |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. That definition is fine, except for the last part... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Well, the "severe" word is significant. |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. The "severe" word (and thanks) |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Here's how I think of it: |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #162 |
189. I think your definition broadens "torture" beyond a useful point. |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #126 |
214. So are you advocating the abolisment of prisons? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
129. spend that money on real research into mental health |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #129 |
148. best post in the thread. nt |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #129 |
160. Bravo! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
211. So, Eric Rudolph, just needs mental health healp rather than punishment? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
132. The only thing I'd change is to give them access to books. (nt) |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #132 |
145. I'd give them access to books, and take away television. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #145 |
150. I'd allow t.v., but use the V-chip.... |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Actually, I'd use a closed-circuit setup with complete control over programming. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #132 |
161. They don't want them to read.... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
136. K&R |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
149. K&R |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
152. Nobody has proposed a viable alternative that I've seen. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. A carefully constructed series of steps to greater freedom is the only way, |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #154 |
170. Humane treatment of those incarcerated, |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. How do we define "humane?" |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
164. I Agree Cali. It Is Definitely A Quite Severe Punishment That I'm Sure Many Debating You Strongly |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
168. Bet his victim would have loved the opportunity to live in a Supermax Prison - |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. Injustice is injustice. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #177 |
185. Perhaps it is you that has the skewed vision when it comes to justice... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. I don't give a fuck about any afterlife. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Then you should focus on this one... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #190 |
194. This is the one I'm focused on. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
174. people like Eric Rudolph deserves this kind of punishment |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
186. Yes they are. |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
192. I Disagree. |
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TroubleMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
195. I've been in solitary confinement before....once for over two months. |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #195 |
209. I think your post |
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TroubleMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #209 |
213. Thanks. |
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Texas Prison Boss (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #195 |
216. Gee I wonder why.... |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #216 |
218. Just from this one post it's pretty obvious... |
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Texas Prison Boss (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #218 |
221. You know that famous line about what happens when you assume? |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. I didn't assume anything. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
198. Solitary confinement is torture? |
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RestoreGore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
206. We Torture in American Prisons |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
210. About three quarters of this thread |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
212. Not every inmate gets supermax, they have to earn that status |
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Texas Prison Boss (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
215. I speak from experience... |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:34 AM Response to Reply #215 |
219. Surprise, surprise... |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:42 AM Response to Reply #219 |
220. I know... |
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Texas Prison Boss (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:21 AM Response to Reply #219 |
222. Suprise suprise indeed... |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. The harsher the conditions, the higher the recidivism... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:20 AM Response to Reply #215 |
223. First of all, I would never |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
217. Child rapists, murderers, etc... |
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