I am PISSED: Rumsfeld ruins the life of the Abu Ghraib whistleblower!!!

[happydreams]

On "60 minutes" last night there was a helluva sad segment on the guy (Garby) who courageously blew the whistle on the slime that tortured prisoners at Abu Ghraib. The poor guy had to sleep with a loaded pistol in the barracks out of fear of retribution from those who did the torturing or were sympathetic to it. Rumsfeld then goes and publically announces him by name. Now Garby and his wife cannot even go back to his home town of Cumberland, Maryland because the fucking morons that live there think he's a traitor!! 60 minutes interviewed the head of the VFW, that sniveling fascist asshole, and the bastard also thinks Garby was a traitor!!

Rumsfeld you are one nasty son of a lying bastard!! OH fuck was I pissed. This outing was out of malice.

I am a veteran and know how goddamn hard it is to call the actions of others in your midst into question. I got my ass in a sling while stationed at GTMO years ago for reporting some shit done by a superior officer. I was basically told to shut the fuck up, harrassed and "put in a box" (reassigned). I saw a shipmate go to jail in a "Fall Guy" operation involving stolen property. Then I had some bible thumping NCO put me on report for something I didnt' do, and it was proven that I didnt'do it but the punishment was still carried out.

This enlisted man is a hero. The shit that happened to him cannot be undone.

Who was that Veteran's of Foreign Wars puke who thought Darby was a traitor? Iwant to get in his face. I want that son-of-bitch to feel the pain and suffering Garby is going through.

I want to e-mail him and unload some serious anger. I'd like to see him blasted with hate emails.


On a positive note. It was good to see he got recognition from Ted Kennedy and Co.

[FogerRox]

1. I met Sam Provance a few weeks ago

IIRC, Sam got the CD of pictures out of Iraq.

"Joe Darby, Jim Massey and Sam Provance are three military men who spoke out last year against illegality and immorality in the Defense Department, particularly relating to atrocities conducted by American soldiers and contractors in Iraq"

from

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski112.html

Joe Darby, Jim Massey and Sam Provance are patriots.

[onecent]

2. I saw that on 60 minutes, and I WAS ENRAGED also. K and R.

[Joanie Baloney]

3. Here it is

The commander of the local VFW post, Colin Engelbach

It's at the 60 Minutes page of CBS' web site

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/07/60minutes/main2238188_page2.shtml

[tsuki]

5. Just watched, thanks. And why is a big, strapping young thing like

Colin Engelbach sitting this one out.

[happydreams]

7. Good question I'm going to be asking him that. I wonder

what foreign war he is a veteran of?

[happydreams]

6. I could kiss you. Thanks for providing the "lips"

(your avatar) to do it hee, hee, and the information.

After I cool down I'm going to sit down and compose a letter to one Colin Englebach and probably pass it on to the head honcho of the VFW after I find out who he is. I want to make Englebach one uncomfortable son-of you know what.

PS. I encourage all of us to tell Englebach what we think of him.

Also I vote for Darby as DU's hero of the year.

[bpeale]

26. how about...

someone who writes well nominating him for Buzzflash's Wings of Justice Award?

[Kashka-Kat]

4. How about writing to show support for this man

Since I don't think we can write him personally (he was wanting to keep his location secret for obvious reasons) I was thinking I would write to 60 minutes to express my support:

[e-mail]

It would be great if there was an outpouring of support-- they do read some of the letters they get on the program. I'm sure there's going to be the rightwingers writing in droves to condemn him.

The interview is also on the website:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

[benddem]

8. I'm more pissed

at the asshole veterans in his town. What a bunch of criminals. Those kids had to have armed guards..for telling the truth.:wtf:

[happydreams]

13. What you say is a serious matter. I've been researching the

role of the American Legion in using baseball bats to break strikes and quell civil dissent back in the 20's. As one author said: "they lead the field".

The Centralia Massacre of IWW members in 1919 was an American Legion operation.

[fudge stripe cookays]

20. I'm traveling to Cumberland in a couple of months for research.

I'll make sure to point it out to any of the Bushbots I see.

Fuckers.

[leveymg]

9. Garby was just the face they put on the operation. He didn't leak the photos.

Garby was never accused of sharing the photos and materials with the press. He passed them up the chain of command. Right according to the book. No charges or finding of fault.

The photos were actually released by the Military Intelligence Division (MID) brass.

[Disturbed]

10. Darby should sue Rumsfailed.

Now the War Criminal, Rumsfailed, is no longer a Govt. Official, Darby should sue him with a large Civil Suit.

[happydreams]

11. I was thinking that same thing. Confiscate some of Rumsfailed's

pharmaceutical company stocks, or other property and give it to Darby for the pain and suffering caused.

[happydreams]

12. I am smoking mad!! VFW website now says that Englebach's

statements were his "personal views" and not that of the VFW. Can you believe this shit? Damage control the following day.

They must be getting some serious unfriendly fire to get this out so quick.

Englebach needs to be shitcanned ASAP!!

Look at what Englebach said about Darby and "the townspeople", as if he speaks for them:

...In the broadcast story, entitled “Exposing the Truth of Abu Ghraib,” Engelbach told 60 Minutes what townspeople were calling Army Reservist Joseph Darby, whose disclosure led to the investigation and punishment of fellow unit members who were abusing prisoners at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib Prison.

"He was a rat. He was a traitor. He let his unit down. He let his fellow soldiers down and the U.S. military. Basically he was no good," Engelbach said the townspeople were calling Darby. Asked by the reporter if he agreed with those statements, Engelbach said, "I agree that his actions that he did were no good and borderline traitor....



http://www.vfw.org/


I'm working on a letter to Englebach. I want to kick his ASS!
If I do nothing else I want that bastard kicked out of the VFW.

[Judi Lynn]

14. Great post. "Malicious" IS the right word for Rumsfeld. What he did was small, petty,

childish, and and undoubted designed to possibly get him killed for starting the process which brought the world's attention to _Bush's use of torture against young (and old) men/women from other countries.

[happydreams]

16. Hi Judi. Thanks for posting. Rumsfailed

needs to pay for this.

[happydreams]

15. For the record:

Colin Engelbach, commander of Cumberland’s Henry Hart Post 1411 Cumberland, Md 21502 Veterans of Foreign Wars

Now I am searching for his e-mail.


Contact numbers:

National Headquarters
406 West 34th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64111
[phone]
FAX [phone]
[e-mail]

Washington D.C. Office
VFW Memorial Building
200 Maryland Avenue N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20002
[phone]
FAX [phone]
[e-mail]

Membership/Life Membership
VFW Membership
406 West 34th Street
Kansas City, MO 64111
[phone], ext. 106
[e-mail]

Member Dues Processing
406 W. 34th Street
Kansas City, MO 64111
[phone]
[e-mail]

National Service Officers Helpline: 1-800-vfw-1899
Click here for a listing of Service Officers to assist you or e-mail the hot line

VFW e-mail Addresses:

General information:
816-756-3390


Assistant Adjutant General, Operations
[e-mail]


Senior Director, Administration
[e-mail]


Senior Director, Development
[e-mail]


Senior Director, Foundation
[e-mail]


Director, Administrative/Operations
[e-mail]


Assistant Adjutant General/Executive Director, Washington Office
[e-mail]


Assistant Quartermaster General
[e-mail]


Director, Communications and Public Affairs
[e-mail]

Director, Public Affairs Washington D.C.
[e-mail]



http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=misc.contact&tok=1

[Amonester]

17. K & R

In wishing all the fascist bastids who support the BFCE will get their due sooner than later.

[Judi Lynn]

18. Here's the link to watch the 60 Minutes episode on Darby:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

Click on Watch: A Man Who Started Abu Ghraib

If the video isn't working for you, for some reason (I had trouble with it, dunno why) you can still read the article:
Exposing The Truth Of Abu Ghraib
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/07/60minutes/main2238188.shtml

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The VFW thug was unbelievably obnoxious. Here's what he told Anderson Cooper, on page #3 of the article, which appears to be the program shown Sunday:

But he didn't get support back home in Cumberland, Md., a military town that felt Darby had betrayed his fellow soldiers.

The commander of the local VFW post, Colin Engelbach, told 60 Minutes what people were calling Darby.

"He was a rat. He was a traitor. He let his unit down. He let his fellow soldiers down and the U.S. military. Basically he was no good," Engelbach says.

Asked if he agrees with that, Engelbach says, "I agree that his actions that he did were no good and borderline traitor, yes."

"What he says in his defense is 'Look. I’m an MP. And this is something which was illegal,'" Cooper remarks.

"Right. But do you put the enemy above your buddies? I wouldn’t," Engelbach replies.
(snip)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/07/60minutes/main2238188.shtml

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Such a STUPID man.

Apparently anything which doesn't please backward idiots like him is traitorous, unAmerican, and punishable by death or near death, at least!

[lebkuchen]

29. yep

I've seen a lot of such behaviors that "take the cake."

[moondust]

19. Loyalty first. Or else.

That's how it is with criminal gangs.

Sue the criminal bastard Rumsfeld.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Rummy confirms how fucked up our society has gotten...He knowingly

makes another soldier miserable for doing his job??? WTF?

Rummy will go down in history as a fuck up...so is the entire BUSHCO Team...Karen too...Condi of course, Cheney included.

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Rumfuk the Scumsuk, headed for Bumfuk, is a walking clusterflop.

Rumfuk the Dumbfuk helped Cheney and Cheney's shyster lawyers ruin our good name around the planet, for maybe generations to come. If those soldiers they are trying to blame here, hadn't told their horror story, the truth would have no doubt, come out in the end anyway.

RummyInc. got caught operating in full Nazi Nightmare Mode at Abu Ghraib, doing Bush/Cheney's GESTAPO type work of inflicting pain and suffering, on unarmed prisoners. Live with it America! Because impeachment is under the table and Dick Cheney's Shyster Lawyers are still very much on the case...

DoD/Halliburton KB&R. QUESTIONS # 1. through 101. ..."SWINEHOUNDTS, WHERE IS YOUR OIL?"



Justice Dept. Memo Says Torture 'May Be Justified'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38894-2004Jun13.html

"Memo Says Torture 'May Be Justified'" ? The War can't even be justified.

[opihimoimoi]

23. Some kinda Team Bush had formed...it reflects the Bush Mentality

Klusterfuc and SNAFU Combo...it don't come worse than this....

Bush has done more damage, more harm, more losses than anyone could have imagined....

oops, Molly Ivans warned us, Ann Richards and her peeps warned us....but we did not listen....not enough of us anyway....sad....

[FreeStateDemocrat]

24. Western Md. is a deep red-neck, ignorant bastion of RW politics with R.Bartlett (R)

who was one of the 33 Representatives that voted against renewal of the Voting Rights Act. A majority of these people are under-educated, poor, low-life's that have suffered from chromosomal damage due to inbreeding, "If it ain't good enough for family,it ain't good enough for strangers." This area would be more representative of a back, deep piney woods section of Georgia. I can't say enough negative things about what a mean, hateful, malicious bunch of bastards that hide under the rocks in this area. This VFW dumb ass is right in that he is only echoing the deep level of stupidity that permeates the area. Cheney was here last winter to do a fund raiser for Bartlett who is so far up the idiot's ass that he only see daylight when dimson opens his mouth.




revised due to severe loathing.

[fudge stripe cookays]

25. I've been learning that the last few weeks...

I've been researching the area since I'm planning on a genealogical research trip there.

This is a place where the only "culture" seems to be the area around Deep Creek Lake, and they think Applebee's is high cuisine. Every inn and bed and breakfast I checked out is 2 star or so. Cheesy decor (to be expected from country bumpkins who have never seen real style), and according to something I read, there are more churches per capita in that area of the state than any other (possibly even the country?). There is nothing there, there.

Can't say I'm excited about visiting the area, but I am eager to dig up some more details for my book. If I drive by the VFW, I'll make sure to ask for Mr. Engelbach and give him everyone's regards. A nice loogie right between the eyes should do the trick! :D

[MountainLaurel]

30. Pretty much.

It's one of those places where anyone wanting to have more in their lives escapes the day after they finish high school never to look back.

[IWantAChange]

27. Rummy is a Nixonite - why would anyone expect him to have character??

Cheney and Rumsfeld were a part of the second most corrupt Administration in History - the Nixon White House - in 2000 they were basically put in charge again - only a fool would have expected less than their full efforts to become thee most morally corrupt Administration in History.

[lebkuchen]

28. If you e-mail him, send him this URL (protection of whistleblowers)

US Office of Special Counsel. Rumsfeld may be guilty of #8, below.

Twelve prohibited personnel practices, including reprisal for whistleblowing, are defined by law at § 2302(b) of title 5 of the United States Code (U.S.C.). Generally stated, § 2302(b) provides that a federal employee authorized to take, direct others to take, recommend or approve any personnel action may not:

(8) engage in reprisal for whistleblowing – i.e., take, fail to take, or threaten to take or fail to take a personnel action with respect to any employee or applicant because of any disclosure of information by the employee or applicant that he or she reasonably believes evidences a violation of a law, rule or regulation; gross mismanagement; gross waste of funds; an abuse of authority; or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety (if such disclosure is not barred by law and such information is not specifically required by Executive Order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or the conduct of foreign affairs – if so restricted by law or Executive Order, the disclosure is only protected if made to the Special Counsel, the Inspector General, or comparable agency official);

http://www.osc.gov/ppp.htm#q1

[happydreams]

33. Thanks for digging that up. I'd like to see Darby sue Rummy

:hi:

[lebkuchen]

35. That would be the ticket

I was on the verge of using it myself one day, but I won my case out of court. :)

[Christa]

31. K & R

Rummy wants to drag him down with him. :mad:

[jhhh]

32. I am PISSED: Rumsfeld ruins the life of the Abu Ghraib whistleblower!!!

I'm not suprised. It is to make people hesitant in the future to do any whistle blowing.

[happydreams]

34. My letter to Englebach

To Colin Englebach,
Commander, Henry Hart VFW Post 4511:

I saw you on "60 minutes" Sunday night and the loathsome comments you made about 1st Specialist Joseph Garby. You called him a "borderline traitor" and concurred with others in your area who called him a rat and a traitor for giving authorities information about the torturing of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. You see nothing wrong with the torture of prisoners. One wonders if you would hold the same view if you were a prisoner.

I am a veteran. When I see people like you I get the urge to puke in disgust knowing that you are somehow representing "the best and the bravest" of America. You are the opposite. You are a disgrace to the uniform and a threat to the Constitution which you are sworn to uphold.

You would have faired well as a guard at Dachau. In case you don't know about that is, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't, it is time for you to get a little history lesson. Dachau was a WWII German concentration camp where Jewish prisoners were tortured, starved, then gassed or murdered by other means. Unfortunately there weren't enough, if any, people like Joseph Darby around to blow the whistle. The rest is history--6 million Jews perished.

Englebach, you must have missed something in your upbringing, or maybe there is just a big hole in your soul that needs to be filled with other peoples pain. Last night you, in your mind, did to the Iraqi prisoners what the Nazis did to the Jews. You took that first crucial step: you subhumanized the "enemy". If people with a mindset like yours go unchecked it isn't long before a repetition of Dachau results. You and your ilk are a greater threat to democracy than any Iraqi, or VietCong, or any other "enemy" concocted by the US Captain's of Conciousness to promote their corporate agenda.

I am real curious to know where you served in a foreign war and also:

WHAT IN THE HELL IS YOUR GUNG-HO ASS DOING ALL CLEAN SHAVEN AND PROPER STATESIDE RUNNING YOUR MOUTH ABOUT PATRIOTISM WHEN THERE IS A WAR ON??

You're to slick Englebach. I hope you weren't a rear eschelon wannabee, or did a touch and go at the Baghdad airport and called it "in country". Englebach I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that you ever served honorably in a war zone, when I consider how dishonorably you acted on Sunday night.

I have contacted the VFW National Headquarters and filed a complaint and inquire about what qualifies someone to be a member of VFW much less a Commander of a VFW post.




A curious veteran.
e-mail address

[JohnWinTX]

36. Me 3, Happydreams!

It took me less than a minute at the end of the 60-Minutes segment on Sgt Darby's unfortunate situation to reach boiling; I called VFW Post 1411 in Cumberland, Maryland, and gave whoever answered the phone an 'earful.' I used phrases including "low life bastards in Cumberland" and "post commander is a traitor to honor and integrity."

I'm a Vietnam veteran and retired military. I hold the Air Medal with four oak leaf clusters among other awards. I am outraged at Darby's mistreatment by his so-called comrades-in-arms.

I am not now nor will I ever be a member of the VFW, thanks in part to the commander of one VFW post in Cumberland Maryland who I count among the low-lifes there.

Darby is a hero, a testament to honor and integrity.

[me b zola]

37. Hi JohnWinTX!

A warm welcome to DU :toast: