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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:35 PM Original message |
Mandatory National Service |
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anitar1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hell, No. n/t |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeesh - not this again |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I'm sorry to bring "this" up |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. My apologies for the snarky remark |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I accept your apology |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
126. You're not answering the questions! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #126 |
151. I'll go down the Heilllein route |
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k_jerome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 03:21 AM Response to Reply #151 |
166. good suggestion. jail time is unnecessary. nt. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #151 |
171. Wow, taking away the right to vote! How progressive! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. A felony conviction in many states does that anyway |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think that no one, at any age, should be forced to do anything. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Forced labor? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. So, based on your view of what's right and wrong |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. If "forcing" people in the richest |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. You DO realize that no one ever intended |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Their not paying |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Same old song and dance... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thats not an answer to my question |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Businesses aren't people, despite the fact that they're treated like it. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You've contradicted yourself |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. They shouldn't doesn't mean the same as we should stop them from it... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Seeing beyond black and white is great |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Because it would work just as well to make it voluntary |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. It was not my intention to ignore it |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. I didn't direct it specifically at you... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Who decides whats necessary? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Why not? |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Compulsory education and taxation |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I think it edges a little closer to authoritarianism than I find palatable... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Why is this where you draw the fine line? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
116. You gotta draw a line somewhere... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Here's the answer to your question |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Well thats a better argument than the other poster |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, but universal healthcare and higher education... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Thats because they don't exist |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. You missed my point entirely |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. No I was comparing your specific earlier point |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. I'm saying that we should not enact a requirement for citizenship reform |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. But why is that different than |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Because it gives the government too much power over our lives |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Then you are getting into the libertarian argument |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Certain elements of their arguments (mostly the non-economic ones) |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Sure, okay it's a libertarian argument |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. Well on this issue |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #96 |
117. There has to be a point where a person says |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
129. We'll have to agree to disagree then |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. In education there is flexibility |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #130 |
135. I have no problem with asking, your plan proposes forcing... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. But its the governments place to tax them? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Yes because the government NEEDS the money so that we don't fall into anarchy |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. That seems to be the case |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. Services to the less fortunate are necessary for the nation's survival... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #143 |
161. Right... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
127. If you start sending everyone to college and the hospital on the government's bill |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. Ask the students at UGA if things were better or worse before the HOPE scholarship |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #137 |
170. What is the HOPE scholarship? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #170 |
200. I'm not in favor of mandatory service, I'm in favor of everyone being able to go to college... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Nor do I. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. DING DING DING! Mend, you're our grand prize winner! |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Actually your boys |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. they are both too old to conscript....let the people under the |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Ok I'm all for |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
107. I did serve starting at 18 as well |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Replace the indentured servitude with full-time salaries and benefits |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Nope to the rich it will have to be mandatory |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
108. Correct, see above |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #108 |
132. And, see, this is where I think the moral purpose falls flat... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #132 |
150. No exceptions |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. self-delete |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. If you're offering free college education and lifetime health care |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. To the affluent |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. No, I don't think we have MILLIONS of jobs just laying around... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I addressed most of these concerns in another |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. The same was claimed in the Great Depression. They were wrong. |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. I have always thought some sort of national service.......... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I wouldn't be able to post on DU |
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Wildewolfe (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm sure it won't be a popular viewpoint.... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. It was two years for non-military service and, I think, four military. |
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itsmesgd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. Screw the service, support the service members |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's what I always wanted. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. NOT NO, BUT HELL NO. N/T |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm open minded about about some sort of service |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Should be does not make it so |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. For discussion sake |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. OK |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. What if you don't NEED money for college or health care? |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
23. About the pay: |
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. Mandatory? No way! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-07-06 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. I've always favoured something along very similar lines... |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
41. I like the idea, but |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Not quite true |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
43. the country should reward national service rather than mandate it |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
44. No. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Do you have any evidence to back that up? |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
92. Only my grandfather's experience, as he told it to me. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Forced national service fosters blind obedience to authority? |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Agreed -- to a point |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
48. I dropped out of high school and went to college at age 16. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Umm I'm 25 |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. So you don't think holding a job and paying taxes |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Nope and you're an evil rightwing capitalist for thinking so |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Apparently so...n/t |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. No -- I received a crappy education |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I'm not pushing anyone into the military |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. I'm for it... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
59. I thought it was a shitty idea last week, too. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. You are allowing the rest of society to suck the life energy out of the young |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I'm not quite sure |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. If your compulsory service started tomorrow... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I didn't say it was a perfectly |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. The best ideas of progressives are those which "level" the playing field |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Sure, but again nothings perfect |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
145. and who died and made your and your beliefs God? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. I'm with ya, BL611, my generation made a BIG mistake in fighting |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Easy to say now that it no longer affects you directly... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I'm so very sick of the attacks here on DU. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Oh, the fact that I think you're wrong |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Yes, it's a personal attack. To deny it is either stupidity or intellectual dishonesty, imho. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Poor baby |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. I wouldn't be too down |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
153. a big reason those of us in support don't stick around is the snark |
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Homer Wells (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #99 |
193. I have to agree with you , BL611 |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
87. I don't have a huge problem with it, but |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
91. BL611 -- very well thought out. It will take a |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
94. Not until there's democratic oversight of war. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
97. fuck that bullshit |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Thanks |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. we've been over this a hundred times. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Excuse me |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. Your words are an insult to blind people everywhere |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #101 |
121. I don't want to contribute to your shitty thread or idea, I'm here to poo-pooh your plan |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
148. Why it may ask you to do something for others |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #148 |
168. I find it suspicious that a man at the top of the socioeconomic ladder... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #168 |
188. You do know he |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #188 |
266. Ich bin ein overpriviledged, Harvard Educated, playboy... |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
100. gee, how to tell you what i think about your post... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Lets see... |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. see above reply to your reply to JVS... |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. See my reply above |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
103. Sounds good to me |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
104. Fully agree wiht you |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
111. Some observations after going through the thread |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. Yeah, except that our accomplishments as creatures |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. Once again |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Because where the line sits |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Your right to your opinion is your prerogative |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #134 |
156. People honor their obligations to our society |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #156 |
164. Funny kids of previous |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 03:22 AM Response to Reply #164 |
167. When was the last generation that "went?" |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. No. The carrot is old hat, we need the stick |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Deleted message |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Given my father lived through the horrors of a true |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #182 |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #203 |
234. And yet it doesn't affect me and I oppose it... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. I'm sorry you don't get it either |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #238 |
241. Probably not... |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #197 |
233. Actually a collectivist authoritarian could as easily be |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
201. "We don't have to justify our disagreement to you |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. If being wealthy causes people to be wasteful jerks why not just address that? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. What part of mandatory are you having a problem |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #201 |
214. Of course you don't... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #119 |
146. I have news for you that you may not like |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #146 |
158. Quite the assumptions you make here... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:51 AM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Good for you |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 03:14 AM Response to Reply #162 |
165. I'm a semi-social animal |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #165 |
186. Ok so you explain this to me |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. Seriously? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #192 |
208. You obviously have been talking |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #208 |
213. The economic draft is another issue |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #213 |
220. So what do you want to do |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. You want to translate your first line? It looks like gibberish... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #222 |
225. I did |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. Are you fucking kidding me? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #228 |
246. No I don't twist it |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. Even if it is, it's offering choices to people the system doesn't |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #248 |
250. I have |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. So what? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #252 |
253. So you hsve issues with society |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. What part of ASKING do you not understand? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. What part of economic draft are you missing? |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. Any way you slice it, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:43 PM Response to Reply #256 |
257. And a NATIONAL SERVICE that is mandatory can |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #257 |
259. I think we're at the point we need to agree to disagree... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #259 |
260. No it is not gong to change it |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Right now the wealthy and the corporations |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #261 |
262. I believe the reason they are in charge |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #262 |
264. Unfortunately we live in a representative republic |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #264 |
265. Jefferson put it best |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #162 |
174. We're also an individual kind of animal that likes to tell people who want to take... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #174 |
189. You still have to answer |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #189 |
271. 2 years of killing people. Helping people obviously takes longer to break even |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #111 |
124. Your categories are wrong. The real ones are |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #124 |
147. Yep you are right |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #147 |
172. Six years is a big disruption in someones life. If you join the army and get killed it's also a... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #172 |
191. The army would be an option |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. I think that's part of the problem here too... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #195 |
204. I know exactly what 18 years are |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #204 |
215. Nice attitude. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. Well you'd rather continue in platitudes |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. Your contempt for the young shines pretty bright... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. You're wrong |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #221 |
223. And you assume that any kid you don't know is the kind of kid |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. I have contempt for those who hate service |
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Homer Wells (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #111 |
194. OMG Nadin |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #194 |
210. You welcome |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #111 |
199. This is one of the most disgusting posts I've ever read here. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #199 |
216. They dismiss that argument out of hand... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #216 |
239. And we're childish and immoral for objecting |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:47 PM Response to Reply #239 |
245. I see you've played this game before...n/t |
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nini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
112. Also, retired people should be called back into service somehow |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
113. I doubt it'd be constitutional. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. The draft has been challenged in courts |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. True that. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. I just adressed the consitutionality issue |
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yewberry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I think we're talking past each other a little here. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. Section 8 of the Constitution |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #133 |
149. The CCC and other depresion era |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Precedents as voluntary programs |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. They were STILL taken to the coursts |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #163 |
175. I can't believe that you can at one time argue for giving the government huge control... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. You did not get the joke over habeas corpus |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. It's not all about me so quit assuming that it is. I'm too old for... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #179 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. That is the way you have shown yourelf |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. It's not my generation. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #184 |
190. Fair enough |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Accuations of being selfish are not valid questions. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #196 |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #205 |
218. You might try not calling people selfish children... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #218 |
227. Met plenty of selfish children |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Oh, there's plenty of people my age |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #229 |
240. I'm your age |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #240 |
249. What? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. You are missing it |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #218 |
268. But it's less fun |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #205 |
267. What part of the rich and powerful can always find a way out are you missing? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
123. A great idea |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
125. This only works in countries which are not as hopelessly corrupt as the US. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #125 |
152. Countries are as corrupt as its citizens |
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Lasthorseman (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
140. There was a book about this |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. 'Player Piano' by Kurt Vonnegut |
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Lasthorseman (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Kind of like |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #142 |
169. Yes our culture certainly has too much leisure |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
144. The problem with the libertarian argument is |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #144 |
273. The self centered are in every generation |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
154. hell no, this is bullshit and its begging to be abused |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
155. so how old are you anyway? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Irrelevant. How old are YOU? (Just as irrelevant.) |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
202. As I have mentioned earlier |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
198. Make it voluntary w/ the bennies and I think it's a great idea. n/t |
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Reterr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
206. Not a good idea in my humble opinion |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #206 |
209. If you cared to read |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #209 |
231. I bet you anything, especially now, that if this were implimented |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #231 |
235. Oh, c'mon...we should just trust them. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #231 |
242. It depends how it is written |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
211. No. Period. |
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momophile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
224. as a returned Peace Corps volunteer |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
230. You are going to find out that most DUers are against |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. Most DUers are against more authoritarian nonsense |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #230 |
237. How selfish of us to enjoy the benefits of a police state with no safety net... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #237 |
269. Unpatriotic douchebags, these "I want to decide my life for myself" punks! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #230 |
243. Kennedy was a product of a generation that got it |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #243 |
270. Kennedy and his brother got sent to war to help the PR of their family... |
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SeaBob (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
236. national service |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #236 |
244. Another fan of Heimlein |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. Dude, I'M a fan of Heinlein |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
258. Only draft war supporters |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
263. For people over 55 perhaps... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-13-06 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
272. No, because a free country just can't have that sort of thing |
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