Damn, I've changed my mind. IMPEACHMENT is a priority.

[RiverStone]

I had been one of those folks advocating to delay talk of Impeachment. Oh, I've always wanted BushCo the hell out, though I felt staying "positive" was a better move for the DEMS in Jan when we convene the 110th Congress.

I was an advocate of the new BLUE majority Congress focusing on other very important issues first (ending funding for Iraq, raising min wage, restoring habeas corpus); that somehow by not proceeding with an impeachment right away, Democrats would be role models for the former occupants and country at large.

Yet BushCo's continued total lack of remorse or culpability for the Iraq quagmire, along with his blatant denials of the Will Of The People suggests to me a man truly on the edge of madness. So egocentric... he will not listen to ANY other voices. Cowboy diplomacy gone mad. No matter that the bi-partisan ISG report diplomatically and firmly told Bush that his "stay the course" approach has been an utter disaster. Bush and Snow respond with the equivalent of, "thanks for your input, we will get back to y'all later." GW reminds me of a bus driver asleep at the wheel - and the bus is full of people and he's rapidly heading toward a cliff. How many more lives per gallon must we give before he lets go of the wheel? We must take the wheel from him; the cliff is fast approaching.

It has reached that point. Now I'm convinced. I've changed my mind dammit; because those with minds don't matter to you Mr. Bush. This saddens me with so many other pressing needs; but we are almost at the edge. Dear new Democratic Majority, please introduce articles of Impeachment ASAP!!! If not for the lies that led us into war, then because our President is not mentally competent to perform his duties. He has placed himself in an isolated cocoon and the only voices he hears are the myopic drones that surround him.

:kick:

* * * * * * * * *

Articles of Impeachment
of
President George W. Bush
and
Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
and Attorney General John David Ashcroft

http://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/impeachment_1.htm

[H2O Man]

1. Me, too.

I had thought that impeaching VP Cheney would do the trick. I now recognize that those who said that Bush had to be impeached as well were correct.

[calimary]

55. I just don't see any other way. NONE. He simply HAS to go.

I wonder if the last straw for many people might have arrived today when bush answered that British reporter's question about whether people reasonably think he just doesn't get how bad things are in Iraq. He said "things are bad in Iraq." (Long pause) "That help?" AND THEN HE SNICKERED. HE SNICKERED!!!!!!!!!! Thought it was funny. Thought he was being so cute.

UTTERLY REVOLTING - and YES, I'm SHOUTING!!!

Just abysmal. Disgraceful. An absolute SIN. If Clinton had been THIS cavalier, this arrogant, this insensitive, this loutish, this prick-ish, they'd be out there building gallows for him all over Washington DC.

No. He has to go. The both of them have to go.

It is a national imperative, if we're EVER going to rehabilitate ourselves as a country in the eyes of the rest of the world, if we're EVER going to be taken seriously when we say we revere the rule of law, if we're EVER going to be believed again, if we're EVER going to regain the moral high ground, if we're EVER going to be able to look ourselves in the mirror, collectively, and say we hold our Constitution sacred. If the very idea of accountability itself is ever going to mean ANYTHING. If we're EVER to be able to teach our children to believe the Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments, that crime doesn't pay. We simply MUST IMPEACH. There is no other choice. There is no other priority.

If we do NOT do this, we are, in effect AND in fact, saying that everything he's done, every crime he's committed, every person who's died FOR HIS LIES, is okay.

[No Exit]

60. He and Cheney are practically BEGGING to be impeached.

No matter what, no matter who--they always say no, refuse, dig in their heels, ignore, etc., etc., etc. They lose an election, they are as arrogant as though they won it. Their old buddy Baker suggests solutions, they essentially tell him to get fucked. People demonstrate in the streets (repeatedly), they ignore it all.

They are begging to be impeached.

[chaska]

2. Welcome aboard. I'm a recent convert myself.

[bluerum]

3. "He has placed himself in an isolated cocoon,,,,,,"

"...and the only voices he hears are the myopic drones that surround him."

That's not true. He has apparently been talking to god as well.

[QuestionAll...]

that insane man must leave the stage asap in any legal way possible.

2 more years of this monstrosity is just not acceptable. 2 more years of support (or no strong opposition, same diff) from the democrats will now be considered accessory before and during the fact of mass murder and massive theft, in my eyes.

It's like having a drunk behind the wheel, you are the passenger, along with family and friends. but the drunk's license doesn't expire for a few weeks so you just have to ride it out, what choice do you have ;(

makes no fuggin' sense at all.

[calimary]

58. And THIS, I think, will be the key. What you just said. "Two more years

of this monstrosity is just not acceptable."

I think you're gonna start seeing some of our "friends" on the other side of the aisle doing some examination of conscience and coming up with that, themselves. Because that, too, is the fact. AT THE MOMENT, that's what we're stuck with. We DO have to face two more years of this monstrosity. Andrew Sullivan pointed this out LAST YEAR, I think, after Katrina roared through the bush facade and left it as big a pile of wreckage as the city of New Orleans was. He blogged about the agony of realizing that we still had three years of this incompetence yet to endure.

If Andrew Sullivan can get there, there will be others. THEY will reach critical mass, too. Especially as they look ahead to 2008 and realize that bush will bury them if they don't show America they've had enough, too - and that they actually do have consciences. Don't forget, Barry Goldwater, "Mr. Republican" himself, led a group of GOPers to see Richard Nixon as Watergate was seriously closing in. Goldwater told him that their critical mass had indeed been reached - that he'd lost all support. ALL support - even among his own true believers, and that they could not stand with him any longer. That he was absolutely on the road to inevitable IMPEACHMENT. Which is why he announced his resignation, I believe - the very next day.

I think there will come a New Century Barry Goldwater Moment before very long, when enough of bush's own people decide even THEY can't stomach him anymore. In fact, I think I'll write a column about it. (Here's the current one, FWIW: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3006712 )

As things go on, especially that unbelievably nauseating in-yer-face loutishness today with the British reporter: "Things are bad in Iraq." (Pause) "That help?" And if that wasn't bad enough, he SNICKERED!!! Yeah, it's just all a joke to you, isn't it, george. If that doesn't break the backs of Republican camels from coast to coast, I don't know what will.

Perhaps we ought to help all of that along by repeating that little observation "can we REALLY afford TWO MORE YEARS of this?"

[Chimichurri]

4. Same here. I thought maybe with after the "thumpin'" he'd be more

responsible with other people's lives but he's proven yet again that he is an unwavering dictator. Time to impeach this psycho.

[Radio_Lady]

5. There is a woman who wrote a book about impeachment.

I read it on the airplane flying home from Orlando, Florida in late October.

Here's a link to the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Impeachment-George-Bush-Practical-Concerned/dp/156025940X

I agree with you completely.

[Gregorian]

6. Here's how I am starting to see it.

There ARE going to be investigations.

It is inevitable that once there are investigations, impeachment will follow.


It's not like there is a choice. Unless we decide to not investigate.


I'd like to see Chimpy and Cheney stew in their own mess for the next two years, AND not have their positions filled by two who could look good in '08. But investigations ARE going to happen.

[wryter2000]

15. Not sure we can afford to let them stew for 2 years

Otherwise, I'm in total agreement with you. I'll be in favor of impeaching any Dem who won't investigate.

[pat_k]

22. The Number 1 rationale invoked to defend their self-imposed "off the table" edict is . .

. . .that investigations "should lead to impeachment."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2858984&mesg_id=2865666">Don't "request that they investigate" -- Demand Impeachment!

[Gregorian]

29. I think impeachment is inevitable. (oops, edited)

Edit- I now see my error. I have been shortsighted. I'm thinking politics. I'm thinking '08. I should be thinking bullets. Iraqi's and American soldiers. And in that case, impeachment needs to happen ASAP.






My first post on any political forum was "Impeach Bush". That was four years ago.


I believe there is a method behind Pelosi's impeachment statement. Something like the way Fitzgerald operates. You don't go for the kill right off. You go at it like a pomegranate. I never believed Nancy Pelosi when she said that. She is full of fire.

All I am saying is that we do not even need to discuss impeachment. It will happen automatically. You cannot investigate, find out the truth, and not impeach.

All in all, I'm excited for what is going to happen. And if anyone wanted to slam them full force as fast and furiously as possible, it's impatient me.

We're all very worried about the Dem Congress. They have rolled over and bent over far too many times. I totally understand the concerns. I'm pessimistic myself. But the thought of no investigations is simply not a reality. From what I have seen recently, there are Congressmen/women who are essentially DUers. Really on top of things.

[Infinite Hope]

37. It won't happen.

They don't want to run against fresh faces in 2008. Right now the Democrats can use their position to paint the GOP as obstructionist against populist reforms. They won't impeach, mark my words.

[Gregorian]

42. It's a moral dillema.

Can we do more good if we win in 2008?

But what if we can win in 2008 and also impeach?

And if we don't impeach and don't win in 2008?

I cannot see a valid reason for not impeaching. Especially when I look at it through the glasses of war. That war must stop as soon as possible.


I still think impeachment is going to proceed automatically, on it's own.

[pat_k]

46. The dilemma is far more basic: Duty or complicity; Accuse or Exonerate.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/11

[Gregorian]

47. That is fantastic.

Since posting today, on this subject, I have found myself wandering. Originally I was saying that we do not have a choice. They are already violating the Constitution.

Thanks. I needed to see your journal. I wish so many Americans were not asleep. It would make it much easier to hold Congress to their oath.

I cannot wait for the fireworks to start.

[pat_k]

48. You can help wake them up. Oddly enough, "violence" is the answer

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/1">The RoadMap to Impeachment: "Violence" is The Answer

[Gregorian]

52. Thanks.

I had already read that journal. I found it extremely enlightening.

It answered my earlier question about whether the senate can do three things at one time.

It is a time for clarity. There is politics and "politics". We must ascend above the conversation, and do what is right for the future of democracy and the people. This is not a time for compromise. This is the time to cut down to the bone. To look at the core essence of what it is this country was theoretically founded upon. It's not about whether we win an election, or appear a certain way. This is the time to do what is right. And there is no doubt what that is. It transcends party. What do we want to be? What do we want the future to be? It is universal. We only have laws to protect us from those who will break them. To ignore the violations is to let this country go astray. There is a path on which we were founded. And upon which we will stay, or fall victim to those who will prey.

[pat_k]

45. They are hellbent to "stay the course" of non-impeachment -- We must do everything we can. . .

. . .think of to change that.

[The Count]

38. They stew and we die....

[Gregorian]

44. Yep. This impeachment is not about politics.

I now see it. If this guy were a Democrat, it wouldn't change anything.

We're talking about criminal acts. I see no point in trying to look bipartisan, or come out clean in 2008, or maximizing the number of indictments. This is about stopping the dying.

I now think that no matter what Pelosi has up her sleeve, this must proceed ASAP.

[OneBlueSky]

7. I've also done a 180 on impeachment . . .

primarily for two reasons . . . first, the danger posed by Bush and Cheney remaining in office for two more years . . . and second, the civics lesson that would result, especially for young people . . .

[Nightjock]

8. I love the fact that we do not march in locked goose step

as Dems.
But I hope we all get on board for IMPEACHMENT!

Investigate....and throw them all in jail.

[Disturbed]

10. A simple, brief Impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

Thirty two Felony Violations of the FISA Law. No investigation required. Bring it on!

[Hosnon]

12. That's our best bet, IMO. nt.

[Independent_Liberal]

9. Right bro.

We need to get more people on board with us. We can't let these atrocities go on for another two years.

[RobofSWVA]

11. Impeachment as leverage

Keep the impeachment option on the table but unused until everything is done. Use it as leverage to push through reforms. Dubya will be forced to sign reform legislation if he wants to keep his job. 6 months later after everything is fixed, start the process anyway. There is a specific timetable that must be maintained (by June/July 07 all legislation needs to be on its way to being signed). If action is taken too early, Presidential Veto will block all major reforms. If it is taken too late, it could potentially hurt campaign '08. No one wants to be seen as and obstructionist. The spinsters are too good. Don't give them any ammo.

What is more important: Changes being made or INSTANT retribution against the opposition? Patience is a virtue. All good things come to those who wait.

[wryter2000]

16. Welcome to DU

:hi:

Well thought-out post. However, * is perfectly capable of signing legislation and issuing one of his signing statements, nullifying what he's just signed. Getting him to sign something is no guarantee that it'll become law.

[H2O Man]

18. "INSTANT retribution"

Impeachment is not "INSTANT retribution." It is the recommended Constitutional process for this type of situation. And patience is not a virtue when it allows an unjust war to continue.

[RobofSWVA]

20. the war will end with the next elected president

As sad as it sounds, I believe impeachment will not stop the war before the next election.

The entire process will drag for at least a year. Bush and co. can and will stall as for a very long time. Every legal loophole available can and will be used. Remember this is a 2-step process. The battle will take long enough in the house and that's just part one. That's why I think it would be prudent to push the planned legislation first before Congress becomes so bogged down with impeachment it can't work on anything else. The second half of '07 will see the beginnings of the '08 presidential campaigns. That gives 4-6 months to push reforms followed by impeachment. I really don't think it would be wise to have hearings still going on in mid/late summer '08. If this is going to happen, it must be done at just the right time. That's why I think a slight delay is necessary.

Realistically we may be looking at a post office impeachment and trial in the senate. There is no way 2/3 of the current senate will vote to remove Bush. Perhaps a delay to build an even stronger majority would be the best course of action.

[H2O Man]

23. It does sound sad.

Very sad, indeed. I prefer demicrats that think in terms of strength.

[RobofSWVA]

25. with the new senate

strength is growing but hasn't reached the correct point yet. I do not believe with a near even split enough repubs will jump ship and vote for removal. If the balance was 7-8 or more I think removal could be a real option. Post office punishment is the most realistic strategy. They can all still be charged and criminal proceedings can still occur even if it is after the next election. Justice served cold may be the only justice that is practical.

[H2O Man]

30. More sadness ....

Strength trusts in the process.

[Gregorian]

34. Oh.

Your post just shocked me.

Here I just replied to someone about the inevitability of impeachment. After all, it IS going to happen. It can't not happen.

BUT that is shortsighted. I'm not thinking of the bullets.

Thank you. Now I have to think about something more important than the next election. Lives are at stake.

[Hubert Flottz]

21. We have waited 6 years for retribution...

Weight broke the wagon! IMPEACH this dictator.

Edit...BTW "retribution" is not what we want we want the law and the constitution upheld. We paid our taxes...we served when they called out our names...THEY work for us.

[PATRICK]

41. Those pressuring impeachment

must include any public sector voices possible to get it past the mainstream inertia which is the single largest obstacle to, in turn, enabling less than enthusiastic legislators to bring it up. SOME Congressman need to make it a public pressure within government.

What we have in effect is a democratic legislature that is not putting any such direct pressure on the WH. What they are now doing is effective enough as pressure goes because it causes the arrogant WH to respond pretty much the same way. Either pull back or defiantly trudge ahead. Impeachment therefore is the final all or nothing contest since nothing else other than continued hammering on all other fronts will fundamentally change things.

In no way should the impeachment advocates outside the Capitol let up on their pressure trusting to the long and equally debatable slog of the incoming Congress alone to transform the mess. And that is where things stand.

[calimary]

59. Welcome to DU!

Can't come soon enough for me, though.

[wryter2000]

13. I never was a "let's do something positive first" type

I don't want to impeach until we have enough evidence to get rid of the whole bleeping lot of them. I want every crime they've committed to come out first. We have to disgrace the entire "conservative" agenda or we'll just end up with another one like him or Raygun. That's my only reason not to go right to impeachment.

[nashville_brook]

27. we need to go in "loaded for bear"

i want impeachment, b/c i think it's the ethical thing to do -- BUT it needs to come off without a hitch and we need to scoop ALL the maggots out of the rotting corpse. :evilgrin:

[partylessinOhio]

14. Welcome aboard!

Don't matter which station you catch the Impeachment Train, we'll arrive at our destination together.

The Decider gave us quite a performance today. He can't help himself. He will keep appearing deranged.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

17. I used to think it would be a waste of time.

Now however, in light of the ISG report, I think that if Mr. Bush refuses to implement their recommendations, he ought be removed from office.

[pat_k]

19. Welcome!! Hope you'll challenge others with the points that shifted you.

Lobbying Members of Congress and staffers face-to-face, which allows us to directly contradict the many rationalizations and excuses given for inaction, is just part of the equation -- and is a task that doesn't actually require big numbers, just a few people in each Congressional district.

Just as important, if not more so, is challenging each other. The more we break down the rationalizations "out here" the more effectively we can challenge them "in there." Finding the most effective ways of breaking through is a critical part of the fight for impeachment.

Have tried to capture "ammunition" in http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k">My Journal -- if you are interested in checking out any of the entries, feedback would be much appreciated.

[RiverStone]

31. Actually, the "shift" was easy.

And the ammunition (or evidence) for me was hiding in plain site. Simply put - watching Bush's behavior, lack of response and reason, manner and emotion - I believe he is truly gone off the deep end. I'm not in a position to diagnose; though maybe (guess) it would fall into the category of Personality Disordered.

Thanks pat_k for the WELCOME and offer to review your Journal. Looks like lots of good work in there! Ultimately, I believe that the best evidence for impeachment will be when others in middle America simply see with their own eyes that GW has mad cow syndrome (or what ever one defines as crazy). It will be more obvious to EVERYBODY in time.

All they have to do is watch him on TV.

See how :silly: he is???

[pat_k]

35. Actually, a majority are way ahead of our so-called "leaders". . .

http://january6th.org/oct2006-newsweek-poll-impeach.html

[RiverStone]

39. Yes! ! Now it takes folks moving their anger to action.

Lobby and advocate as you said.

[leftofthedial]

24. if justice had been done in the 80's

most of this criminal cabal would not have been here to inflict this disaster on America

[omega minimo]

50. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a Winner

:patriot:

[AndyTiedye]

26. America and the World Can't Take 2 More Years of the Bush** Wrecking Crew!

[Bobbie Jo]

28. K & R

:kick:

[dogday]

32. I say impeach all of them....

Every last one of them and press criminal charges against the civilians involved.....

[Jacobin]

33. This mind sound odd, but

If the republicans want to minimize the disasters they face from Bush, they would be very wise to either convince him to resign or impeach him themselves. He is going to do nothing but cause them unending grief and he doesn't give a rats ass who it hurts. Republicans could also be perceived to be 'in charge' or 'taking care of a serious problem' or 'nonpartisan and doing whats best for the country'...

I really think its going to come to that. I do.

[cassiepriam]

36. Only taking 6 years for everyone to catch up......

I knew it would be our only option when he
was first selected....

[Beam Me Up]

40. We went over the cliff on 9/11.

It's been denial of free-fall ever since. Now the bottom is coming up fast. Several madmen have resigned already. Hopefully we'll get a few more in due course.

[roamer65]

43. So am I. Bush/Cheney resignation or impeachment NOW.

We have to get someone in there who will talk with Syria and Iran to stop a genocide from happening.

[Vidar]

49. No change for me, but welcome to our side.

[NotGivingUp]

51. i've been for impeachment all along...welcome to the club!

[Zhade]

53. Yes, upholding the Constitution and rule of law really is a priority.

NT!

[Ilsa]

54. You are right. We may have no other choice.

He is determined to run this way he wants without regard for other expert opinions. The House may have to start proceedings if he doesn't act on Iraq ASAP.

[BlueStater]

56. He needs to go

How many more people need to die because of this stubborn idiot?

Toss his and Cheney's ass out of office. There's no other alternative.

[Tatiana]

57. Welcome to the camp!

Now get to work faxing and emailing your Congresscritters regarding your thoughts on why you have now decided that impeaching Bush is necessary.

Bush and Cheney must go.

[seafan]

61. Yes. And I don't think we have much time left...

...before he and/or Cheney, in addition to their multiple crimes, commit a monstrously heinous act.

We saw today that * has no intention of changing his chosen course in Iraq or with anything else. It's all about his ego, while people are dying because of it.

There is no reason to put this off any longer. * and Cheney must both be removed from power.

It will be a poignant irony that it will be with the support of his own party that he will be forced from office.


Here is what I thought shortly after the election re impeachment. It has never wavered.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seafan/631

[RiverStone]

62. The worm will turn when the 1st rethug calls for impeachment.

Yes, it is all about his ego. If anyone seeks to define an egomaniac, look no farther then GW.

At yesterday's press conference, his response to a British reporter's compelling question was a national embarrassment. As is he.

Impeachment is the best thing we can do to show the world we see behind the veil of this madman. :silly:

[Gregorian]

63. PEOPLE ARE DYING IN AN ILLEGAL WAR.

The bottom line for impeachment is that we are killing people in an illegal war. And that must stop ASAP.

I don't see a better argument.

[pdrichards114]

64. Thoroughly agreed!

I posted a few delay impeachment replies myself. I wanted to see if he who shall not be named would actually turn a new leaf. Everybody body deserves a chance but, all he has done is more of the same schtick elevated to a new level of vitriolity. Impeach his impetulant, lying, genocidal ass NOW!!!

[Ganja Ninja]

65. I'm beginning to think so too.

At first I was thinking it might be better to wait until there was more public outcry or until at least some GOP politicians were on board but now I think we ought to force the issue for the sake of the troops.