As a teen, I have a couple words on 'The Bush Twins'

[MiniMandaRuth]

As a 15 yo girl, I behave better than the Bush Twins. And they are what... ten years older than I?

It doesn't matter if their father is the president, they are two grown women.

Yes, it is okay to go after them. Why? Because they are capable of thought and making their own decisions.

Yes, it is okay to go after them. Why? Because if George Bush cannot even be bothered to take care of his own children when they are young (Where do you think they learned that this behavior was okay?), then how can he be bothered to police his own White House.

Yes, it is okay to go after them. Why? Because they are a disgrace and harmful to this country. What happens if someone from another country gets offended with us? The Twins wouldn't care... Fuck, their dad might not even care. But we might care. We DO care.

So, in closing, to all the DUers who think that going after the Twins, with their harmful and close-minded 'I"m daddies little girl and I can do anything' mentality, is wrong and petty, just look at who it is.

And remember, the Right wouldn't think twice about Chelsea if she did something wrong. They'd put her right up there.

[eallen]

1. You sound like you may go far. But fair warning...

Your views on this might change a bit, after you have raised children.

:hippie:

[goclark]

14. The question is "What Is Your Name?"

I was listening to a noted speaker the other day on child rearing.

One of his tactics while raising/training his children was, "What is your LAST name son!"

When the child replied "Cooper" he was told "That is right, you are from the COOPER stock and we do not accept that behavior!"

Having children should not be an excuse for accepting the behavior of the Bush family "ADULTS."

These are no longer "children" they are adults, using all the trappings that come with their family power and money and name.

They are fair game and I admire the 15 year old for expressing the thoughts so well.

[sam sarrha]

2. their South American adventure could turn into a 'gone missing' white trash girls on dope event.

[Nimrod2005]

3. Well said....

[Donnachaidh]

4. the right went after Chelsea -- it didn't matter what she did.

Those hateful malicious bastards making fun of her looks as a teenager. Frigging shameless attacks on a kid.

Now the Bush skanks -- yeah. They deserve to be dragged thru the mud. They might even enjoy it. :sarcasm:

[Warpy]

5. I think you're being a little harsh

Yes, they're vapid party girls. They're not in politics (although they may or may not be doing the family's dirty work in South America) and not really fair game here.

I prefer to look at them as proof of the bankruptcy of GOP family values. Only very poor parenting can produce such utterly careless young women.

For the record, I was the teenager from hell, enough that I was over the alcohol thing by fifteen. I knew better than to behave that badly, too, and I always treated wait staff with respect.

They were the ones who showed me how to duck out through the kitchen if things got sticky...

[Hoosier Dem]

6. The Right Savaged Chelsea Clinton...

Rush Limbaugh even referred to her as ugly. During her father's presidency, Chelsea had to go through puberty in front of a national audience! (Can you imagine anything worse!) Yet, she has grown up into an attractive, successful young woman.

The Bush bimbettes, on the other hand, have been a joke. From their repeated underage drinking busts to their bad behavior in Argentina, these girls are a disgrace. Given the fact that their father spent a good protion of his life on booze and cocaine and their mother is the only First Ladfy in US history to have KILLED SOMEBODY, why are we surprised??

John Stewart had a ood one last night where he pointed out that Argentian has expressed a desire for the Bush twins to leave. Considering Argentina was the country that took in every Nazi war criminal who could escape Germany in 1945, this really is ironic.

[AbbyR]

8. As my mama used to say

"Pretty is as pretty does" so I guess that makes Chelsea the beautiful young woman that she is. Mama also used to say that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, so I guess I'll keep my mouth shut about the problem children.

[bumblebee1]

23. Or in the words of Alice Roosevelt Longworth:

If you can't say something nice about anyone, come sit by me.

[warrens]

24. Worse

One wingnut mused in print about KILLING her because she went to an expensive private school with his precious tax dollars (in fact, the Clintons paid the tuition). Then they started in on her because she was with a date at a tennis match and "looked like a slut."

They're vile.

[tblue37]

37. John McCain also called Chelsea ugly in that nasty joke he told.

That a**hole McCain gets such a free pass by the press and soft-headed Dems and independents!

[classof56]

7. Well said, young lady!

If I were your grandma (which I'm old enough to be), I'd be very proud of you! Heck, I'm proud of you anyway. You nailed it, IMHO, and you're right about Chelsea. The RWers were after her for everything she did, no matter what it was. Heck, they even went after her for the way she looked! And not once did Chelsea publicly do anything that would bring dishonor to her parents or to our country, if I'm recalling correctly. A part of me feels kinda sorry for the Bush twins because like their daddy, I guess they truly can't see anything wrong with their behavior, and that's sorta sad. But you're absolutely right, they are grown women and like any adults, responsible for their own behavior. And yep, they're a disgrace. Regular chips off the old block!

[Richard Steele]

9. Very well said, MMR! You certainly provide some useful perspective, being 15 and all.

(Nice to see you poking yer head out of the Lounge, BTW.)

Recommended for "Greatest".

[MiniMandaRuth]

10. I do enjoy a foray out of the Lounge every once in a while...

Mostly I don't start threads, though. :D

[Richard Steele]

17. Well, you started a FINE one this time!

I myself have generally refrained from commenting
upon the behavior of the Hilton clones B*sh twins,
because I screwed up my teen years so badly that I
am in no position to EVER criticize anyone elses.

But even -I-, clueless as I am, had my act together
by the age of 25, fer Chrissake!

I just appreciate an actual intelligent TEEN saying
the things I'm thinking but can't say myself, knowhutImean?

[MiniMandaRuth]

39. Yeah... I'm mostly mature...

Except for the occasional fart joke.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. Theodore Roosevelt's eldest daughter, Alice, was the original

White House wild child. She smoked on the roof of the White House, had cocktails, went around without an escort, carried a garter snake in her purse, was impudent in social settings, etc.

TR was asked whether he could do "something" about Alice. His response is classic: "I can either control Alice or run the country. I can't possibly do both!"

[Straight Shooter]

19. ""I can either control Alice or run the country. I can't possibly do both."

bush can't do either.

[no_hypocrisy]

20. He couldn't raise those daughters if all he had to do was to cash

his trust fund check.

[Pawel K]

12. I am about their age and let me say this

I did a lot of stupid shit myself, and still do sometimes. We are still young, I'm sure as hell going to enjoy this.

However, what I see in this is the hypocracy. My partents never pretended to raise me with these so called "moral values". My parents understood that kids will be kids so they tought me how to be responsible and how to be safe. For example, they knew I would drink, so they raised me not to drink and drive. Bush on the other hand advocates abstinence only when you know these 2 get fucked all the time by different guys. He advocates strong family values yet they did not spend thanksgiving together nor did they spend their birthday together. And thirdly they want to push their base's religious extremeism on to us yet their own daughters don't follow that shit (I doubt they were in church on Sunday).

[SoCalDem]

13. Exactly.. It's about the hypocrisy.. We had a "bad boy" and

never made any bones about it. No fibs to friends, no alibis from us. We "owned it" and made HIM "own it" too.

In a way the Bush-twins are kind of sad.. I don't think they like either parent all that much..they never seem to spend holiday time with the family, and seem to like each other's company...and only each other.

They don;t seem to have any other friends.

[goclark]

15. Ruth, I support your post and I support your

family for raising you in such a manner.

See my post below on " What is Your Name."

The Bush "children" are adults and your view is important to this Board.

Keep letting your elders on DU know what a 15 year old thinks.

Sometimes we get set in our old ways. :)

[Oreo]

16. Great post

I can't help but think of the West Wing episode where Bartlett's daughter got drugged and kidnapped when I read about their escapades in Argentina.

What kind of f'd up things would Bush do to get them back. I guarantee you he wouldn't temporarily step down from office and let Dan Connor take over ;)

[mirandapriestly]

18. Argh, remember how the right went after Chelsea?

and how wonderful she is in comparison?

[no_hypocrisy]

21. You're correct.

And the press went after Amy Carter when she was like eight years old.

[evilgenius602]

22. If they want to avoid ridicule

how about getting one of those...oh what do you call it... JOBS!

[EdwardM]

25. The bush twins are their own women.

They are not running for office. They did not get us into this mess in Iraq. They deserve privacy, I don't care who their dad is. I see nothing wrong with what the Bush twins are doing.

[rateyes]

28. Except that we are paying for their

Secret Service details, and they are putting themselves at risk of starting an international incident. Not on our tab, nope.

[EdwardM]

30. I just think it's better to stick to attacking the Bush that matters.

Yeah, I know they campaigned for their dad, but they kinda have to. They try to stayout of the spotlight, and media should respect that. Obviously they don't care about politics and they want to party, and I really don't care about that. I care much more about that war their father has gotten us into, and that's what I will focus on.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. That's a real double standard you're applying there

No, they didn't have to campaign for their father; they could easily say "no, it's not appropriate" or "we don't feel comfortable about it". They spoke at a nationally televised convention, as adults, for goodness' sake. That wasn't just a "stand in the background with a smile on your face" moment. They willingly basked in the spotlight.

Sure, Dubya is responsible for all the crap; but they jumped into the celebrity spotlight with both feet (or all four feet, I suppose). They're the poster children for dumb, spoilt lazy wankers who vote Republican. They deserve all they're getting in criticism.

[EdwardM]

35. Ron Reagan is one of my favorite politicians.

He has spoken out against the far right wing, and I hope he runs for office some day. But not all politicians children can be as great as Ron Reagan. Obviously the Bush twins aren't. The Bush twins prefer to stay out of politics. The closet they have come to the political scene, is talking about Sex in the City at the RNC convention. Until they come out in public saying fruity things like Ann Coulter does, or run for office on fruity ideas like their father, I'm not gonna insult them, but that's just me. If they want to party, that's fine by me. I'd rather they party instead of getting us stuck in Iraq like their father has.

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. Speaking at a national convention is further than most politicians ever get

They obviously preferred to get involved in politics - we have the video evidence.

[mondo joe]

29. They campaigned for Bush's second term. Like ANY military eligible

person who did that, they ought to be serving.

[roguevalley]

38. whether they like it or not, when they go some place, they represent us.

getting drunk and running around nude is bs. they don't deserve anymore privacy than anyone else in their position. have them cut out the security, cut out the free ride and get a job like real people do. then they can have their damned privacy. fucking around on our nickel negates their 'privacy'. I personally don't want people to think that all America is cheap girls doing slutty things. we have a big enough black eye from this satanic family as it is.

[badgerpup]

26. As Bush's daughters they represent enormous potential...

...for blackmail, extortion, strong-arming, and just plain political embarrassment.
If anything happens to those two little twits it's going to affect the ENTIRE COUNTRY...and they don't seem to realize that they have a responsibility to BEHAVE responsibly, cover their asses (in all senses of the phrase) and not open up avenues for international incidents a la Patty Hearst or Natalie Holloway.
:banghead:

[Sparkle]

27. Great post!

:thumbsup:

[quiet.american]

31. The key words are "grown women." These are not "kids."

I'd have to agree with your assessment, and add that the media's referring to 25-year-olds as "girls" also needs to be addressed. They are adults, even though in today's society, it seems 25-year-olds are no longer expected to behave like adults, and indeed there's a very good chance an actual 15-year old will be more mature than someone five years away from 30.

[jgraz]

32. K&R -- good post!

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. It's OK to go after them because they spoke at the Republican Convention

From that moment, they became political animals - however absurd their 'speech' was. They deserve all the scorn anyone can pour on them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. Sorry, But It Is Wrong And Petty.

I don't care what Paris Hilton does on her own time either.

In fact, I don't give much of a rat's ass about what anyone does on their own general time.

[BeHereNow]

45. Fine, but please respect the fact that SOME of us DO care about America's reputation

The patriarch of the first family has already done plenty to
endorse what the rest of the world has susupected about
the piggish hegemonic aims of the American led empire.
We certainly don't need his children helping shape and confirm
their convictions that Americans don't give a shit about other
people and just want to "par-tah!"

I don't know what generation you grew up in, but until now,
I have NEVER been so embarassed by the children
of our pResident.

As I said in another thread on the topic of the Bush Shrews,
no matter how horrific the sins of the father, the family
members never lost dignity or decorum.

Not so with this herd of pigs.
The whorelets are a disgrace to America and their father, not to
mention their sack of potatoes, cloddish mother.

BHN

[mondo joe]

46. Do you give a rat's ass about people posting on DU on their own time

to complain about the twins?

[Canuckistanian]

41. Good Chelsea analogy

But should we really stoop to their level?

In your own words, you said, "they are two grown women".

At the time the Republicans were making fun of Chelsea, SHE WASN'T a GROWN WOMAN.

I suppose you could make an illustrative point about parental responibility here, but the Bush twins are essentially on their own here.

Why draw them into this cesspool of scrutiny and hold them to a higher standard than their own father? They're just citizens, like you and I.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

42. I disagree, theyre young partiers like many, they just get cought by te press doing it

[brook]

49. They can afford

to 'party' in private - and then exhibit a modicrum of dignity in public. Ruth is quite correct in her argument that we are entitled to discuss and be dismayed by the antics of the * offspring.

"Daddy" is the President of the United States of America and "Mommy" is the First Lady. They are apparently failures as parents as well. They've raised a couple of self-indulgent Paris-wannabes who are going to be hard pressed to find a future with a map in one hand and a million bucks in the other. Two bucks says they'll end up married (briefly) to a couple of trust fund oil boys,followed by drinking their way to menopause on the Houston social circuit.

[BeHereNow]

43. Girl, if you ever need a second mom, I'd be honored to fill the shoes.

You make me proud- to think someone of your age
actually GETS IT, gives me more hope than you can imagine.
I have one daughter on earth and several in heaven and I must
tell you, I would be happy to count you among my kids, if only
by spirit.

As far as the DUers who have given these despicable
women a pass as being "average young Americans
who are simply enjoying their youth...:"
To them I say, "You deserve the Bush family and the
hubris they have wrought upon your own children."

But you, Miss Manda- you deserve FAR better from the
first family than these trollops and their kin.

With mom hugs,
BHN

[MiniMandaRuth]

44. Thank you.

:hug:

[BeHereNow]

47. No, THANK YOU!

As I said, you give me hope and make me proud
as does my own daughter, who I know would never
disgrace me the way the drunken Bush whorelets have THEIR
family and OUR country.

WE be DU family Manda!
And I repeat, I am proud to count you as my own.

:loveya:
BHN

[L0oniX]

48. Argentina let the Nazis stay there but want the Bush twins to leave

go figure ....doh!