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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:33 PM
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Now that the dems have won the media decides...
to show us the casualties of war and now tell us their is a civil war in Iraq as though we didn't know it all along. What do you think we will find out once the dems finally are able to investigate and look at the books?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:38 PM
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1. What we find out depends on how courageous Dems are.
If Nancy has her way, maybe it'll be swept under the rug.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:40 PM
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2. We have let them know that we haven' t forgotten ...
why and who we voted for and what we will do if they start playing games claiming bipartianship...
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 03:50 PM
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3. If Nancy has her way?
Nancy is not sweeping anything under the rug. There's going to be one hell of a show come January.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 04:01 PM
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4. The problem is that they(the repugs) want...
to try to make a issue out of every decision she makes. Now they want to scare everyone about Hastings just as they did concerning her and rangel and the rest. Why didn't they make an issue about Hastings all of these years he has been on the intelligence committee,...
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 04:06 PM
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6. Because the chair has more responsibility?
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 04:07 PM by kiahzero
Edit: You've got a false premise in your argument, that it's only Republicans that are concerned about Hastings.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:04 PM
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9. There is nothing false about my premise...
I know that some dems don't want Hastings, but its Pelosi's choice not the Repugs. They are making it an issue because they say "DEms said that dems wanted to clean up corruption" but they really don't want hastings because he is black and they will do this everytime Pelosi has to make a choice of someone that they don't like. If they are so worried about him then they need to clean up their own backyard, I don't like their choice of Trent Lott...
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 04:01 PM
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5. Yes I think so
The media have been timid for fear of being labelled "unpatriotic." The media will still have its laziness and neoliberal biases but they will likely be more confident to get to grips with current geopolitical events.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:07 PM
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10. What gets me is that Msnbc and nbc had to make an...
announcement before they would report the news this morning concerning if Iraq was in a civil war or not
to me this shows how they aren't reporting the news,they seem to be afraid of the whitehouse.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 04:50 PM
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7. What amazes me is the way the MSM is talking about withdrawal from
Iraq and reporting it as if its a Republican idea and has been all along..I mean really.... CNN had some Repuke talking head on (last week) and he said "The Republicans had been talking about the prospect of withdrawal for some time" but knew that the administration would not support it..
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 04:59 PM
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8. They have also been saying...
dems have no plan and everytime I see a repug, they are spouting what Biden has said about splittin Iraq or any other talking points levin or other dems have been saying all along. Everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and pretending as though they aren't saying their favorite talking point "cut and run" someone should post all of the speeches of republiCONS on the week before the election for those who have forgotten...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:08 PM
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11. Fine with me.
If the Dems don't bring the troops home now the blood will be on their hands.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:24 PM
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12. Why Investigations Are More Important Than Impeachment
Edited on Mon Nov-27-06 05:26 PM by KharmaTrain
From the sleeze that's oozed out due to largess and hubris, we already see a lot of criminality and coruption in this regime...especially when it comes to Iraq...every facet of this horid misadventure. These are crimes that are beyond political...they require criminal prosecution and all who are associated in abetting them must be held accountable in a criminal or civil courtroom...not in the corporate media or in the weathervane world of partisan politics.

The one thing that needs to be exposed is the war for profit motives and actions of this regime. People still are hoodwinked into thinking this invasion was for some noble intention. It wasn't...and it's been the corporate media that has echoed that meme...investigations outside of the spin and manipulations of the Tweetys and Hannitys, by career prosecutors...either in the U.S. or abroad, must be encouraged.

It's Henry Waxman's show here and I couldn't think of a better man to do the digging. He's already compiled mounds of information begging for subpoenas and compelled testimony. The public needs to be shown the sweetheart contracts, the billions of their tax dollars that were stuck in gunny sacks and handed out like Halloween candy during the first years of the occupation. They need to see how this regime used the U.S. Military as their own private militia and the Treasury was their piggy bank.

My hopes are the prosecution of true investigation of this and many other criminal enterprises by this regime are remedied in the courts...criminal or civil...and outside the lazy and spineless corporate media who were the water carriers for all this plundering. Expect the corporate media to be our biggest roadblock...thus they must be bypassed or forced into true "reporting" mode.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:37 PM
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14. I agree and ...
I am hoping that Waxman and Dingell are starting now because I know that the repugs are setting up something to keep them busy for the start of 2007...
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 05:26 PM
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13. Depends on how productive those 425 hp shredders at the white house are
Look for a lot of missing records.
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