Please! Dems caved 'cause GOP stole Daschle's election, and said he lost

[IndyOp]

because he had obstructed the President's judicial appointments.

Tonight on Majority Report a guest explained that when Daschle was in office he had decided that preventing the Rethugs from stacking the courts was THE most important job the Dems had. Daschle controlled the Dems with an iron hand (as regard the judiciary) even threatening to quit his job if the Dems did not vote in lockstep to block Bush' nominees. Daschle was very, very effective in blocking the extremists Bush wanted on the circuit courts.

When Daschle "lost" in 2004 the Rethugs used his story to scare the Dems into submission. "See the people don't like it when you obstruct the President's judicial appointments. You'll lose your next election if you do that!"

This explains *exactly* why Reid did not *strong arm* the Dems to vote against cloture; this explains why so many who will vote against Alito tomorrow could not find the courage to vote against cloture today.

Here is the kicker: Daschle didn't lose his election, his Senate seat was stolen by the GOP (and their election-machine company thugs).

DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN? They steal an election and then use the theft to scare the Dems into submission. The Dems are living in a freaking virtual reality created by the GOP and GOP-owned media: You will lose if you don't cooperate with us. You will lose if you talk and act like a Democrat. See Daschle 'lost', Mondale 'lost', and that unpatriotic Cleland 'lost'.

Over and over and over WE HELP THEM - we attack people (Kerry, Gore) for having run bad campaigns when they actually WON their races. Now we attack the lack of courage in Senate Dems for not having voted for cloture, when we should be attacking them for failing to see that they & we are being destroyed by the theft of elections.

I am listening to Mike Malloy right now and getting angry. We do *not* have to wait 20 years to rebuild this 'stinking party' from the precinct level up - ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TO GET PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED across this entire nation.

Do that and the DEMS WILL TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK IN ONE ELECTION CYCLE! I swear this is true.

If you will just try to connect *everything* that is happening back to election fraud, you will see much more clearly.

So long as we fail to FORCE radical change in how elections are conducted, we are lost.

[mikelewis]

1. K & R

[oldtime dfl_er]

2. Makes sense to me

but if the Dems are that easily frightened, then I kind of have the attitude, well, replace them.

However, we DO NEED PAPER BALLOTS NOW and NO MORE DIEBOLD.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/1128968

[bilgewaterbill]

3. Damn straight! The turncats will be hearing

a different answer when they come begging for donations this year!

[IndyOp]

5. That doesn't make sense if the elections are being stolen -

If they are being stolen then we need to fund election reform and support Dems who most match our points of view - Dems anywhere in the country.

[bilgewaterbill]

10. Nobody stole the votes of our fearless 19!

[IndyOp]

13. They can't steal them all in one election - the GOP is patient,

planful, methodical, working for complete control without the populace being any the wiser.

[bilgewaterbill]

14. Nobody stole the vote of the 19 turncoats today!

No Diebold, No Karl Rove, just a bunch of chicken-shits. I watched them vote. I felt the knife.

[Tigress DEM]

17. Look, they work with these evil filth all day long...

I'm not trying to defend their lack of courage in voting correctly, but if you watch a bunch of thugs beating the shit out of anyone who stands up to them, it takes MORE courage to stand up to them than if they hadn't beat someone down in front of you.

The willingness of the rethugs to stoop to lower and lower levels means we have to really pour out our venom on them first - they are responsible for this mess and then slap our warriors up side the head and send them back into battle.

We the people can help bolster the courage of our DEMS. It's ok to make them a little afraid of our disappointment in them, but we should still hope they understand how their betrayal is unacceptable and they MUST do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because they expect to be knifed as easily by their own party as the rethugs.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

22. Who are going to be targeted by Repukes anyway.

Landrau and Nelson are going to lose so they sold out for nothing. Neither will be in office come this time next year!

[IndyOp]

9. Having observed seats being stolen in 2000, 2002, 2004 does *not*

make the Dems easily frightened. This is a crazy-making situtation:

When they act like Dems they have their election stolen from them.

When they act like Rethugs they are re-elected.

They think WE control elections and logically conclude that WE want them to act like Repubs!!

Then WE flood them with faxes, emails, and calls screaming at them to act like Dems -- but, they know better! -- they know that WE must just be the lunatic fringe, not "the people".

[Tigress DEM]

18. It is crazy making, but they have to quit drinking the koolaid.

Look, if WE know there was an issue with the elections, they do too.

OHIO was contested and put to the floor. Boxer stood up and Conyers prepared a detailed report. There was a lawsuit and about 900 pages of evidence has been put on permanent record in Ohio.

They are crazy with fear. The rethugs are controlling the voting machines and even if they are aware that the majority DID elect Gore and Kerry and almost Paul Hackett in Ohio.... they know the rethugs have control of the voting machines and most of the "appropriations" committees.

How can a politican go to his constituents after he's been blocked by appropriations committees from getting anything for his people? And even if a Senator doesn't vote as we'd like them to, how much worse stuff are they keeping from getting passed into law just by being there and speaking up in other ways than with their vote?

[RazzleDazzle]

4. Unfortunately, sounds too plausible

I'm so tired of them believing lies and NOT believing that machines are riggable and that elections are being stolen.

There's a lot I'm sick of tonight. And yesterday. And the day before. And tomorrow.

[Helga Scow Stern]

6. Thank you! Exactly right.

The incomprehensible behavior of good Dems today makes sense when put into the context of how the Publicans have stolen power. It was so obvious watching the election returns in November 2004 that Daschle's seat was being stolen out from under him.

On another note, I guess it shows the power of the credit/banking industry when you see that both Dem leaders of the Senate, Reid and Daschle, have come from credit card headquarter states.

[sandnsea]

7. Hand counted ballots is all???

I'm so hopeful now!!! :sarcasm:

I don't even like Mike Malloy, but I'll put money on his 20 years before your hand counted paper ballots.

Your post was almost right. We do have to stop acting like we lose elections on the candidates or the issues. But the solution is to go back into those red districts, counter the bullshit spin, and reclaim them. And get a DUer in every precinct to watch the damned vote.

[fooj]

20. A DUer in every precinct...

good idea.

[jsamuel]

8. It was the pictures of him smiling with Bush that lost him the election

on his own commercials...

dumb

[IndyOp]

12. Are you *sure* or was that the GOP-set up that conveniently explained

away the theft of the election.

Like the "fundamentalist Christian" vote conveniently explains the "loss" of election after election when the FC are only 4 million out of 100+ million voters?

Like the Pastors who are supporting J. Kenneth Blackwell's run for Governor will conveniently explain his 'win' -- even though those Pastors don't have enough pull to win an election for anyone?

Like the fact that the election reform issues on the ballot last November in Ohio did not pass because they weren't written in a voter-friendly language?

Awfully convenient. Too convenient.

[wisteria]

11. I'm certain that was a large part of it. We listen to the Repubs tell

us how and what we should do to get elected. daschle actually lost a tough race which was close and if our party had any vision or was able to put two and two together they would realize that was another time and was right after 9-11. Our party is so screwed up,with very few real leaders.

[slay]

15. Soooooooo true

I couldn't have said it better myself. Rigged elections should be of concern to everybody, regardless of party. This is what happens when you let them rig elections. WAKE UP AMERICA!

[Tigress DEM]

16. Any candidate who wants my money has to have a Vote Reform plan

That's my main beef against Hil. She had a plan and dropped it and never got on board with any other Vote Reform plan.

The candidate who has a good Vote Reform plan AND a Campaign Finanace Reform plan is going to have me so excited that I will go to sleep giddy with excitement dreaming of getting my country back.

[fooj]

19. I agree with you 100%.

Voter Verified Paper Ballots! I miss Andy.:cry: He knew the score all along.

Peace.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. He THREATENED to quit? Why didn't we let him quit?

Man, that would have been an incentive to vote Republican.