I'd like to defend Robert Byrd and Jay Rockefeller tonight!

[Hubert Flottz]

But I can't anymore! Neither can I ever vote for either of them again. If it means leaving a blank space on the ballot, then so be it! Stupid you say? No more stupid than what these two enablers did today! I will cause a republican to win and ruin the country even more you say? Byrd and Rockefeller didn't worry about the harm they were doing the country today, so why should I care at election time if they lose? Republican light is STILL republican. I will be conservative with my democratic vote, from now on Mr. Byrd!

I trusted you and you caved in to the neocon empire and their king and that I will NEVER forget nor forgive. It was your turn to have your fun stabbing your country in the back today, but come election day it will be our turn to show you how it feels.

I hope someday, that Mr. Rockefeller and Mr. Byrd feel a thousand times the sadness they have made us feel today. When their buddy the judge starts helping the other republicans on the SCOTUS and in the White House shit all over Byrd's little book that he keeps in his breast pocket, the fools who voted for this Bush Enabler, will see the mistake they made and the harm they did to the people of America, by then it will be far too late for "I'm SOOOOOOOOOOO Sorry" to do any good!

Will America ever hear any good news again? * I really doubt it now, more than ever before...

[hatrack]

1. And when the next coal mine disaster comes along . . .

They'll be able to revel in the satisfaction of aiding and abetting a government that couldn't give a tin shit about mine safety or any of that Kumbaya-singing Democratic nonsense, but can stand tall on a voting record that will surely ensure that, once and for all, America will be forever free of the raging scourges of gay marriage, flag burning and violent video games!!

:toast: for you, Hubert!

[Hubert Flottz]

6. I feel like ripping the telephone and tv cables off my house and

at least making it harder for Mr. Rockefeller and Mr. Byrd's imperial president/king/lord/master, to spy on me like I'm a common criminal!

Each day I think that I've reached the very limit of how sad and disappointed I can be, with my representation in Washington and with each new day, these drones prove how wrong I was the day before. Each day brings a new horror and the people I depend on to help and protect me give away a little more of my freedom and liberty, like it was some kind of worthless trash! I'm sick and tired of this, taxation without representation. I feel like an alien in my own country, my own state, my own county, my own town, my own street, my own house!

[hatrack]

10. I want to walk down the street and kick a stray dog

I want to pull the wings off of houseflies.

I want to incinerate ants with a magnifying glass.

I want to shoot a television.

I want to pour gasoline on a pile of straw and hurl buttons and campaign bumper stickers and the Constitution into the blaze.

No, wait, that's already been done!

:puke:

[Hubert Flottz]

15. I'm with you my friend!

If they don't kick some serious GOPer ass and take names, I ain't got time for their on camera lies and stunts anymore!

Prideful Selfish Bullshit and second childhoodish like tantrums, don't do much to bolster freedom and liberty. Oh they really showed us didn't they? I guess Byrd and Rockefeller don't care, or don't worry about their grandchildren living in a democracy.

[Bozita]

20. Unlike Canada where regulatory agencies actually perform their mission

In Murika, we prefer talk to substance.

[az chela]

2. I emailed byrd

Today and told him that he had just stabbed all of us in the back .We supported him when he wrote the letter about not going to war and he votes for Alito.I give up.Screw him.I hope he loses the election this year and we never see him again

[seabeyond]

3. except byrd wont be there to help dem cause in a lot of the areas

he has. so.... it would be better to have a repug. get a dem in there to take there place. but byrd is a pretty good team player as a dem, for the most part. how baout rockefeller. you would really give that up for this one vote? i couldnt. give me a dem to vote for, i would pee my pants in excitement.

[Hubert Flottz]

7. I'm tired of pretending those people are democrats.

They work for themselves, not me!

[seabeyond]

9. i dont know either voting record real well, but i dont recall

the two years on this board hearing people accusing either of these senators of being repugs in dem clothes. do they consistantly vote repug????? but that is not what i am recalling hearing about either senator. if they dont vote repug consistantly, then wtf are you talking about?

[Hubert Flottz]

11. You must not have looked very hard at their total records.

I've followed their records for many years and defended them when it almost made me sick to do so, but no more...

And one more thing...Get back to me in about three years, after you see the extent of the damage, that the enabler's new found pals in Bush's kangarooish, hard right, Supreme Court do to your country. The worst is yet to come, you can bet on it.

[seabeyond]

12. firstly i admitted i dont know their records

point taken. when i dont know something i put it up front. i hear many people raving about byrd. i dont hear anything about rockefeller. why is du raving about byrd then???? anyway. if they vote like repugs, whatever. get a dem to go after them

and the big thing for me in the 2004 election was the supreme court. i went around with hair on fire tryin to get my female friends to wake up. lost a couple good friends over it, telling them they were betraying all females, allowing bush to appoint. i am also a realist. knowing the president appoints. so i was already pretty aware of the repercussions. yup. we are fucked. i am pissed at the voters that allowed htis to happen. i put the blame on the voters. and we will all suffer, including these same said voters

[MountainLaurel]

42. The question you ask

why is du raving about byrd then????

Is one that I've wondered about for a while as a native WVan. Byrd has never pretended to be a progressive: He's made decisions and comments in the past that are hard to identify as anything other than gay-hating, he has stated that Americans upset by Congress praying publicly to Jesus should leave the country, and his campaign coffers are just as tainted by business interests as the next guy's.

However, I think that much of the support he gets on DU is from his willingness in the past to speak directly to issues of Bush overstepping his powers as head of the executive branch, of lying about the war. He has not back down when questioning key Bushitas in the Senate.

[onenote]

27. I know their records well enough, do you know repubs records?

Do a comparison. Yeah,these guys are Kerry and Kennedy (of course, Kerry voted for IWR, so Kerry isn't even Kerry in some DUers estimation). But the point is that they're better than gettin another Frist or DeMint or McConnell. Way better.

onenote

[seabeyond]

28. since i never hear any yelling going on about them i would assume

but you know what assuming does for one, lol. dont even know how to check things out to get facts with senate voting record. to see it plainly written would be a lot easier to draw conclusion. doesnt make sense to put a repug in hteir place if these two do vote dem "most" of the time

[Hubert Flottz]

31. Under normal conditions I'd agree with you...

But these are not normal conditions. Alito will give Bush the final measure of power he is after, to totally take over the country. People weren't spying on us in the good old days and the one president(Nixon)who tried, would have been impeached if he hadn't resigned. Now there will be NOBODY left to hold Bush accountable! * NOBODY! ALL THREE BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT ARE NOW TOTALLY IN CONTROL OF THE NEOCONS.

It's not business as usual anymore. Byrd TRUSTS Bush and Alito and we see how trusting Bush has gotten us into a war that we can't win. We see how trusting Bush on the Patriot Act, has led to KGB like spying on American Citizens! Things are FAR FROM normal.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. They betrayed us

[Mike Nelson]

5. This Jay Byrd Has Flown

I agree. They blew it. I wouldn't EVER vote for them for anything ... or, anyone who votes "YES" on Roberts & Alito.

[tsuki]

8. Considering that they shit upon the Sago Mine Workers that

lost their lives, I cannot blame you.

[Laelth]

13. Kick them out!

I want to run real Democrats against them. Let Byrd and Rockefeller become Republicans. Then the R's can spend their cash trying to keep them while we can spend ours on people who respect the Constitution.

More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x277934

-Laelth

[sandnsea]

14. You live in West Virginia?

What did you do in the last 5 years to organize and get out the real Democratic message to your fellow West Virginians? Sorry, but the views of the people in your state come through local news and church and school board meetings and standing in line at the grocery store. If you don't like the way your Senators voted, then change your state so they can vote like Democrats. There's no amount of national organizing that can come into a rural state and affect the kind of gut level change that needs to take place.

[Sydnie]

16. Have you ever been to WV?

Most people there wouldn't be interested at all. If it is not rival football games, you would be hooting in an empty holler to most of these people. Find a way to tie politics to WVU football, and you might get their attention.

Sad, but true. I know people there that still don't have indoor plumbing. They don't care as long as their satelite dish doesn't screw up during the games. :shrug:

edited to add - The main paper in Charleston has the most active forum for any paper in the state. Check it out for yourself. I linked you to the politics forum. Once you check that out, go look at the other topics there. You'll see what I mean. http://wvgazettemail.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=10

[sandnsea]

18. Don't care

I swear to you I don't. I've known people in Montana who were living without indoor plumbing or electricity too. Doesn't mean they don't sit down at the kitchen table and talk about the coal mine or the school or the war or the terrorists. It doesn't mean that local people in little towns can't post fliers to help change minds. It doesn't mean that folks can't volunteer to help people learn computers at the library, and make sure liberal information is available and flyers are posted. Until the people change, there is no way their elected officials can or should change, and no way we can expect anything except the kind of votes we got today.

[theHandpuppet]

23. You have no idea what some of us have been doing

So get off your high horse and stop assuming that some of us here in WV who are banging our heads against the wall over the Alito confirmation aren't really doing anything but sitting around picking our collective noses and throwing bricks at C-Span.

[sandnsea]

39. What I know so far

You have disrespectful disdain for the religious beliefs of those in your state. Flotz thinks all politicians are corporate whores. Don't see much hope in gaining any voters when those are the attitudes people are going to the voters with. I can guarantee Republicans aren't talking that way to their neighbors and families. Nope, they're singing the praises of George W and all things Republican.

If your state isn't voting for Democrats it's because they don't trust Democrats except for old time Democrats who they decide are different than the secular bunch in the party these days.

I do not know why you would be banging your head over the Alito vote when that's what your own voters would want. If it's not what they would want if they had the facts, then the Democrats in West Virginia aren't giving them the facts. It doesn't mean that you aren't personally doing something, but it does mean that you're either approaching the situation wrong or that there aren't enough of you. But the change will still only happen from within counties and states and there isn't alot of point of ranting at the national party for the attitudes of local people.

[Hubert Flottz]

40. "politicians are corporate whores"

You've got that part right. I see with 20/20 vision and not with any kind of put on supernatural VISIONS...and I've learned the hard way, not to believe it until I see it, with my own eyes. I respect people just as much as those people respect me. Sorry but Preachers stealing people's wives, lying, whoring, stealing from disaster victims, taking advantage of the young and the weak and preaching divisive, militant, fascist, politics in the church on Sunday, won't ever earn much respect from me. My Gawd is better'n your Gawd type arguments, should be fought out in a church, not the congress, the highest federal courts, or the White House.

If I have to lie to people, or use false pretenses to win their votes, or steal their hearts, like most politicians do today, then no, I would never get their vote. If I lie I won't go to heaven!!!!

I'm tired of the lesser of two weasels approach. It is why our country is teetering on the edge of the cliff today. Not only do politicians lie to us, but they also lie, even to themselves. Say what they need to get elected and let Gawd sort out the bullshit later...MUCH LATER, if they can help it...

"Trust Me," is that another one of your sick jokes, or what, Mr. Bush?

Yes...I see with 20/20...but I admit, that I do have government induced Opticalrectitus, big-time.

If you want to believe in Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, George Bush, or a Cosmic Muffin, then that my friend is YOUR cross to bear, not mine. When what you choose to believe starts to cause my family hardship, pain and suffering, I will ALWAYS, at the very least, let you know.

Edit...If trying to sort out the truth and the lies that politicians and preachers have told me, or telling the truth myself, makes me a "VERY BAD PERSON," then color me a Hellbound Hillbilly!

[sandnsea]

41. Well good luck with that

I hear that "they're all crooks" garbage all the time. Pretty much cuts off any opportunity for a real discussion, but whatever floats your boat.

See ya.

[Hubert Flottz]

45. "Flotz thinks all politicians"

You were the one that said "ALL politicians," not me. Where have I seen that putting words in someone else's mouth trick before? Hummm...I can't remember right now, but I know I've seen that old trick around somewhere.

BTW, I swung several Repubs to vote for Kerry in 2004, with the help of the GOP. One of them was a preacher, I kid you not. So you believe what you want and who you want, it's your country too. I couldn't make the government count the votes, but I tried my best and that is all anyone can do.

Good day to you too.

[sandnsea]

46. That was YOUR case

You're the one who is beating the hell out of both your Senators for not being honest and far left enough, AND beating the hell out of the people in your state for not being sophisticated enough to reject right wing garbage. Then following it up with the I worked hard for Kerry in 2004, which is what every single person says as if that has a hill of beans to do with the fight ahead.

We either come up with a strategy to fight the spin in every county in America that will work in every county in America, or we hang it up and concede defeat. We can't have Boxer calling for gun bans in CA and Democrats staging hunting trips in the rural states and expect to have a national party or campaign. The same could be said for a host of issues. We either find common ground or remain in chaos. Until that happens, I can't be surprised or blame any Senator for voting in a way that will save his seat at any given moment in time.

[Hubert Flottz]

48. You're spot on about the disorganization and the lack of a game

plan, but the problem of the crooked vote tabulation is what has beaten us twice. Just as much as any mistakes our people made. Any way you slice it we are in a bad situation. Last election in this state, we used four different kinds of voting devices. Our state has finally gone to a standardized system statewide using the electronic machines with the paper verification, so we may see a big change. I'm telling you, that we did register far more voters in 2004 here in WV than ever before. I think that the GOP has been rigging elections nationwide, for quite some time.

You'd think, that good honest church going people, would not want to win, if they had to cheat to do it. I guess they think God is pretty stupid.

[sandnsea]

50. I'm not saying you didn't

Manchin won. Rockefeller won. Democrats can win in WV. Obviously you worked hard to make that happen. But to really get back on track with social and economic progress, we've got to change minds. Did you see my "here" post below? How does that Republican woman get away with touting a $400,000 program that came from John Kerry??? That's what I want to know from the Democratic Party in that county. That's what I'm talking about.

[0007]

30. Thanks for the thumbnail of WV - God, its like going back 100 years.

This one caught my attention;

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He’s the guy that went on Larry King and said that Clinton’s crimes were “impeachable” and deserving of removal from the presidency, then voted “in the Senate” not to remove.

Why the hell is anybody paying any attention to anything he’s saying now?

Just watching the doddering old idiot drool and drivel at the Senate podium is enough to make any intelligent person aware of what a contradictory old phony he really is.

“Porky Sheets” is a waste of Senate space.
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[Pacifist Patriot]

35. That's not entirely true.

You need to tie politics to Marshall football too. ;)

I hear ya. I'm from SEC country. Sometimes it feels like the Heisman trophy generates more interest than a presidential election.

[theHandpuppet]

37. And Marshall is Dem country

Which is why I've always had a soft spot for the Thundering Herd. Well, that and I was born and raised about 35 miles down the road. ;)

[Sydnie]

38. I went to Marshall myself

and have a soft spot for the Thunderung Herd as well. But, we both know that even the Marshall crowd is known to travel to Morgantown for a good game or two. :)

Everything that you all have said has been right on target. It is one of those states that is hard to explain to those that have never lived there, at least in simple terms.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. I've talked to people until I had the sore throat.

I have done all I could and I'm not the guilty party here! I have watched Mr. Byrd and Mr. Rockefeller's backs, better then they are watching mine lately.

[sandnsea]

19. Thank you

I would like people like you to get together with people in other red states and coordinate on the messages that work and don't work. Because you know your state as well as anybody. Did Rockefeller and Byrd represent the majority, or not?

[theHandpuppet]

21. Let me give you an example...

... since many folks assume that people living in the area of the Sago mine disaster would support Dems over Republicans. And why wouldn't they, since worker safety, health care, employment, education et al are traditionally the "family values" of the Democratic Party.

The Sago mine is located in Upshur County, WV. Here are the results of a few of the last elections of national interest.

In the last election for U.S. Senate, Democratic incumbent Jay Rockefeller just managed to squeak by in Upshur County:
Rockefeller (D): 3160
Wolfe (R) : 3016

In the last election for the House of Reps, a young, charismatic Dem lost bigtime to Bush's favorite bootlicker, Shelley Moore Capito (linked to Abramoff, but can't wait to take Byrd's seat).
Eric Wells(D) : 2918
Shelley Moore Capito(R) : 5911

In the last Presidential election, Upshur County voters went for GWB by more than a 2 to 1 margin.
Bush: 6191
Kerry: 3034

For a profile of Upshur County, WV, go to: http://www.povertyinamerica.psu.edu/2006/01/08/living-in-coal-country-a-profile-of-upshur-county/

Here are a few excerpts:

Education

While most adults in Sago over the age of 25 had completed high school in 2000, few had completed a college education. In the county, the percent of the population over the age of 25 with 1-3 or 4 or more years of college education was only 60% of the national level.

The Absence of Jobs and High Rates of Disability Result in Low Labor Force Participation

In Upshur County, labor force participation rates are low by state and national standards. Almost half of the working-age population is not in the labor force compared with the 36% for the nation. In 2000, the county unemployment level was even with that for the nation. However, these figures are deceiving. Low unemployment levels also are indicative of situations in which working-age individuals leave the labor force due to a lack of jobs. In Upshur County, low unemployment and low labor force participation rates reflect the tendency for working-age persons to leave the labor force either due to health problems or the lack of employment alternatives. One-fifth of the population is considered disabled by the Census (5,323 persons of a total of 23,996 persons).

The Population is Aging and Young People are Leaving

Over the last twenty years, Upshur County has seen a substantial decline in the population of the region under the age of 25. Over the same time period, working age persons and the elderly experienced a sharp increase. This is indicative of a county in which young people leave, presumably in search of jobs and other opportunities, while the working age and elderly population stays behind. Counties in Appalachia also experience significant flows of remigration as former middle and older age migrants return home to be near family.

The Unemployment Rate is about 17% Above the National Rate

The county has had a sluggish economy for several decades. Unemployment rates are considerably above the national average. Within the Appalachian region, the county has a high unemployment rate.

************

Now you please tell me why these folks are voting Republican. And don't just assume that folks like Flottz and me aren't working our asses off trying to educate/enlighten folks as to the Democratic message, because we are. But our message doesn't stand a chance against the one being preached from the pulpit. God, guns, gays and abortion. That's what it's about. They don't care if they can't put food on the table, heat their home, afford their medicines, join a union to protect them from things like the Sago disaster, send their kids to college. They'll bury their dead, sell their medicines to pay for food, put on a coat when the heat gets turned off, offer up their children for Iraq, then go to church on Sunday and pull the lever for the GOP because that's what their preacher told them to do.

If you've got the answer, by all means go ahead and offer it. And yes, I'm in WV.

[marions ghost]

34. excellent info

--paints a clear picture of life in a lot of Appalachia. I know what you are up against dealing with a very fixed, traditional, go along with authority mindset. This represents security and stability to these hard-working people. And yes, they get their political viewpoint from the churches. I think churches who tell people how to think and vote should lose their tax-exempt status. But beyond that, how do you break the addiction to an authority who is not working in your best interests? The downtrodden mentality is hard to fathom, but as we all know from psychology, the abused often agrees to abuse, especially if it is reinforced by the group. The people of Appalachia are not stupid, just misguided and stoic to a fault. They need some better leaders than these righteous, controlling preachers whose message dovetails with corporate exploitation of the state.

I don't have any answers--new preachers maybe?

[theHandpuppet]

36. I'd like to discuss this with you in more detail...

... but it will have to wait until this evening. Hope you'll come back this evening and we can pick up this conversation once again.

[sandnsea]

44. Here

$400,000 for the YouthBuild program. Anybody telling them that's John Kerry's program??? Or is the Dem Party in WV too chicken to be affiliated with one of them new england libruls??? I guarantee you Shelley has no clue or it wouldn't be on her web site. And why shouldn't that district vote for her, based on what her web site focuses on, she's doing a good job. If Democrats in that county aren't exposing that most of the programs she's spouting originated with Democrats, then they're screwing up when it comes time to win national elections. And the people are willing to vote Democratic, because they voted for Manchen. They're not stupid, they just have local Democrats who keep running away from the good that the national party does.

http://capito.house.gov/

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Rockefeller and Byrd represented who they always do...

Rockefeller represents the Counsel on Foreign Relations/DLC globalist Rockefeller democrat/republicans/EXXON and Robert Byrd represents himself. They both always represent the same Gawd...their great almighty pocketbooks. They both ALWAYS only want to screw you for your own good.

Rockefeller was one of the very first politicians, that I ever heard of, who spent millions of dollars in every political race, that he ever ran. Jay had his own endless, bottomless family stash of money to run on, so he used it. If you wanted to run against Jay, you had to sell your soul to the corporations to even make a showing. Back in the 60s and 70s Jay would throw millions into his local races and win, because nobody had the cash to beat him. Give Jay most of the credit for the fact that today if you want to run for a national political office you must raise and spend millions of dollars to win. Jay was a big help to the situation we find ourselves in today, where the corporations and not the people can afford to fund the political races and so therefore the politicians are beholden to the corporations who fund their campaigns, FAR MORE than they are beholden to the people who they pretend like they represent, you and me.

The Rockefeller family,(David Rockefeller)wanted a president in the family so badly, that they could taste it and they were setting Jay up from the very start to win the highest office in the land, just in case his uncle Nelson didn't make it. Everyone in the Rockefeller family are republicans and so was Jay, until he came to West Virginia and saw that he would need to play like a democrat if he was to excel in politics here, back then.

I don't have the time or the skills to write you a book and really explain Jay Rockefeller's political past and present. If Exxon is making record profits Jay is too, because his family has owned and operated EXXON/ESSO/Standard Oil, for over a century. In the late 60s Jay's personal piece of that monster energy conglomerate, was netting Jay $60,000. a day. EXXON/Standard Oil, owns the big coal companies too, so that is where West Virginia comes into play for Jay and his family's energy companies. WV was, and still is an oil and natural gas producing state, as well as a coal producer. Here is an oldish book, that will set you on the road to the real story of the Rockefeller story. If you read this, you will see exactly how the country has gotten to the fix it's in today...

***********$$$$$$$$$$$***********

The Rockefeller File

by Gary Allen

Introduction

Dear Reader:

The super rich in America enjoy power and prerogatives un-imaginable to most of us. Who can conceive of owning a private empire that includes 100 homes, 2,500 servants, untold thousands of luxuries, and untold millions of dollars? America has a royal family of finance that has known such riches for generations. It is, of course, the Rockefellers.

But if the Rockefellers were content with their wealth, if their riches had satisfied their desires, this book would not have been written. And I would not be urging you to read it. Money alone is not enough to quench the thirst and lusts of the super-rich. Instead, many of them use their vast wealth, and the influence such riches give them, to achieve even more power. Power of a magnitude never dreamed of by the tyrants and despots of earlier ages. Power on a world wide scale. Power over people, not just products.

The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime, the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.

For more than one hundred years, since the days when John D. Rockefeller Sr. used every devious strategy he could devise to create a gigantic oil monopoly, enough books have been written about the Rockefellers to fill a library. I have read many of them. And to my knowledge, not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world.

Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do............ MORE...

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/

This book was written years ago. As you read this, you will be shocked by how the wild and crazy things that Gary Allen said would come to pass, have indeed came to pass. Here is this very hard to find book free thanks to Al's internet. PLEASE, do yourself a favor and read it.

For those who would still scoff at conspiracy theories. Would you have believed a year ago that your own government was spying on you and the Gawd Danged Quakers?

[wallybarron]

43. Yes

[onenote]

24. So I guess Byrd's vote against the IWR doesn't count for anything anymore

Funny how a while back the "litmus test" as to who was a DINO was the IWR vote: Byrd was hailed by many on this board as a hero for his strong statements opposing the IWR. Now he's just a guy you'd rather see replaced with a Jon Cornyn or Bill Frist clone.

Wow.

onenote

[theHandpuppet]

25. It's not just Alito

Byrd's rubber stamp of Roberts and support of the bankruptcy bill are also two of the latest examples. Byrd also supported the Federal Marriage Amendment and has one of the absolute worst congressional scorecards from the Human Rights Campaign. (hrc.org) So you'll have to pardon some of us here in WV who are feeling a bit disgusted at the moment.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. These folks act like it makes me happy to say bad things...

about Robert Byrd. They are dead wrong, because It breaks my heart. You can't know, even with my telling you in simple words, how profoundly sad, that this thing makes me. I who have sat and cried bitter tears, just thinking about Robert Byrd not being there anymore, to take care of America's business, in the US Senate, because of his advanced age and his fragile health.

I've never really completely trusted Jay, but I did trust Mr. Byrd. I didn't shatter my faith in Robert Byrd, Robert Byrd did. I watched Robert Byrd throw my faith in the trash, in his fit of rage and it hurt me.

Even a dog starts to dislike someone that it has loved, very quickly, when that someone kicks the dog in the teeth, just because they can do it on a whim and get away with it.

I've tried very hard, to understasnd why Senator Byrd did this thing and I can't think of a single good reason, other than anger.

[theHandpuppet]

32. I hear ya, Flottz

Most folks have no idea... I mean truly no idea.

And where is the next generation of Dems for WV when Byrd and Rockefeller, who are both long in the tooth, retire? I was truly impressed by young Erik Wells but he got thoroughly trounced by the corrupt, hateful, Bush-licking, Abramoff glad-handing Shelley Moore Capito, whose already got her beady eyes on a Senate seat. I'd rather vote for Satan in a red dress.

It's the Dark Ages again for WV and I don't say that lightly. I have my own theories as to why the GOP has been so successful in wresting away WV from the Dems but as I'm pressed for time this morning it will have to wait.

In the meanwhile, we as WV Dems have every right to be PISSED AS HELL!!!!

[wallybarron]

51. Let's hear it.

We need ideas. I alway like to hear people's take on this. It seems a lot depends on what area of the state we're in.

[Hubert Flottz]

26. I am tired of being lied to.

You have no clue how sad what Robert Byrd has done over the past week, has made me. I'm not the one who voted to approve someone, who I knew would wreck the country even more, simply because I was unhappy because the "Mean" democrats, or whoever made Mrs. Alito bawl and run out of the room. Byrd's getting even with the mean democrats tantrum, will no doubt cause an even more rapid erosion of YOUR civil rights. How many people do you think are crying now, because they can't buy the medication they need to keep on living a life worth living? How many people are crying about their kids who were either killed, or maimed for life, in Bush's whimsical War in Iraq?

Folks probably would not have disliked Benedict Arnold either, based on his KNOWN military record and his service to the country, but Mr. Arnold sold out to the enemy and went down in history, as a man who betrayed his country and gave aid and comfort to his country's enemy.

[AngryAmish]

33. Great post

We have to liquidate those in our party who are against freedom.

[mvd]

47. Look, I don't expect them to vote our way on everything

The Republicans exist mostly as field generals for Bush, and that's not healthy at all. But there comes a time when you have to take a stand, even if you don't know how your state will take it. Most polls showed many undecided on the filibuster anyway. Filibuster and then get busy telling your state why you did it. I would think Alito is one time when our party can find common ground.

[Hubert Flottz]

49. "is one time when our party can find common ground"

I thought so too. I can't figure it out.