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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:32 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is It O K To Spank Your Child? |
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DemExpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. I am on the NO side. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I Think It's Cowardly To Hit Somoeone Who Can't Hit You Back |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. I was never spanked either |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #89 |
159. Oh God, Are there still good seats? |
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Karenca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. No |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. No |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. That's Different... |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. right |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
372. How many children have you raised? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #372 |
393. Oh, this card again |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #393 |
394. Your absolute statement against it made me curious about your |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #394 |
395. Of course I know people who were spanked |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's a choice every parent has to make. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. I said yes |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. EXACTLY. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Sadly, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. I watched a 9 year old hit his mother |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. It's rare when I think a child needs a spanking, |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
189. I won't answer this poll, because I think the answer is both "yes" and "no." |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #189 |
357. Very sane post. A toddler cannot listen to rational explanations |
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jayctravis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #357 |
379. I agree. Not talking *beating*...but a smack on the butt. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
191. A kid who had too many spankings probably wouldn't hit their parent |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
158. Same for me. |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
168. I think a swat on the butt now and then is good. Kids now are spoiled |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
399. disagree; when i was spanked it was a moment of weakness and anger |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Depends who your kid is... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. The Bushes Used Corporal Punishment |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. really... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
71. I'm surprised they didn't use Capital Punishment n/t |
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MurrayDelph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
197. I always thought Barbara's mechanism |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
330. You joke, but I think that's right. |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hell yes. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Oh really, how so? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think it should be left up to the parents. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. No flames from this direction. I was spanked as a child. I'm just fine. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. exactly so. |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
195. You turned out ok in spite of spanking not because |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #195 |
396. So your view is its never ok? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. And what do you think is wrong with today's society? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
91. Some kids are spanked too much |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. indeed. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:39 PM Original message |
Poorly worded question. |
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Vorta (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. Define effective. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. If spanking is effective why does it need to be repeated? |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Well, most discipline techniques have to be repeated. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Effective means it contributes to long term behavior change. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Science isn't up for polling. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. The good would be pointing out to people who think it's effective that it's |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. I suppose. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. That's my point. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Well, no, you could just express societal condemnation. |
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Vorta (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Americans are getting a little fed up with societal condemnation |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. That's a completely different issue. |
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Vorta (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. I'm new. I didn't know it had already been done. :) |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Ah, sorry. (n/t) |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Well, I agree with you but I think our society is so far from |
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Vorta (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
85. I got paddled in sixth grade. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Not Every Odious Behavior Is Or Should Be Made Illegal |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Um...that's what I said. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
201. effective for short term compliance but not for long term behavior change. |
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conservdem (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
398. You an absolutist on this? |
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Vorta (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. I wonder what the results would be if you got parents to answer one poll and nonparents another. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
205. Very good point |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
402. shouldn't make any difference, should it? support your position w/ facts and logic |
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Jcrowley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
15. No they will become vengeful |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Define "spank." |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. Only if it's W Sr. spanking W Jr. |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
82. Love it. |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. I couldn't make a blanket statement but in general no |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Spanking is not beating. |
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philosophie_en_rose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Spanking isn't beating, but it's not nothing. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
23. Just your monkey nt |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. Never did |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It Was Intended To Be Binary |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
34. It's not for us to determine |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. We don't? I draw the line at "doesn't directlyt affect other people". |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I see |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. What If They Want To Disclipline Their Kids By Hitting Them In The Face |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Now you're talking about physical harm |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. my mom slapped me in the face when i mouthed off. didnt happen |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
97. :) I got slapped once. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. you have me laughing. oh, that is bad... ya, mine was about that age |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. I **wanted** to be mad about it, too. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
117. well see, that is how i always felt about it when i got that type of discipline |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. exactly the point. |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
198. holy cow...you're channeling ... ME... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #198 |
244. that was just so he could hear you better. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
232. mine was Mommy Dearest -- closet toss, night raids, you name it. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #232 |
247. and i think that is the hugest of difference. my parents loved me, |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:14 AM Response to Reply #247 |
277. Love you, too, seabe... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #277 |
281. creative parenting, and some child might want spanking over that |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #281 |
299. My oldest is like that, too! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #299 |
303. well, excellent and isnt that just great. so much uniqueness |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #303 |
319. Have you considered |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #319 |
326. i love this subject... my mother in law says, she takes credit when kid |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #326 |
331. You may have read this, if not, I think you'll appreciate it. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #331 |
335. right there. exactly. and with this will give a child the foundation |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
162. When I was a junior in HS I called |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #162 |
170. oh oh, my hubby story. we tell it to this day. lol mouthed off to |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Of course he does, as do I. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. lol, yup.... and we look back and giggle. but everyone had a |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
202. I got smacked for mouthing off |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. A. I did not call for a mandate; B. I do believe people - even children - have |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Spanking = assault? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. If you did it to another adult what would it be considered? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. how is that germaine? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
83. But assault is assault. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. is any physical act assault? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. If you jerk an adult out of the path of the same car would it be assault? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. ok, let me put it to you this way. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. I can only tell you that I survived without ever being spanked, and my two kids |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. I'm not saying there's not. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I've yet to see someone "need it". That's the sort of thing husbands sometimes |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. nice ad hominem. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. You needed it because you swore? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I'm not here to define "need" for you. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. So you went from it being a life-or-death need to a justified act because you were |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. from another post of mine in the thread |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. And being hit was the only thing that would prevent you from doing such |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. well, I don't know. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. I see. I wonder about parents who can't make an impression on their children - |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:46 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. wow - awfully superior of you. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Ah, but the thing I wonder about is how they couldn't make an impression. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. not by sitting me down and having a calm discussion about it. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. I give your parents more credit than that. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:00 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. I never said it was a failure on their part. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. Just the same, it's interesting that what you've described as such a minor |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. I'm not sure why you insist on putting words in my mouth. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Sorry - please let me ask for clarification. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. **sigh** |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. "At the very most lightly stung"? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. pain isn't the point. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #116 |
212. I would like to suggest that |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 04:48 AM Response to Reply #93 |
154. You Would Be Acting Heroically |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
367. Exactly |
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Spirochete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Foreplay? |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
141. What if you "grounded" an adult? That would be false imprisonment. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. Nor can you argue that nothing is comparable. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 04:56 AM Response to Reply #141 |
155. Society "Grounds" People For Misbehavior |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #155 |
280. Yeah...society does it. You try it and see if you get sued or not. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #280 |
322. It wouuld clearly depend on the circumstances. n/t |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #322 |
324. Well there are few instances when a citizen can lawfully restrict the movement |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #324 |
336. We'd have to see if it were covered by those instances in which one can |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #336 |
343. It's probably not. I believe it usually requires a belief that a crime was committed |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #343 |
349. The state can "ground" people for whom it has custodial status, just |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #349 |
354. Right...the state can "ground" people. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #354 |
360. In both cases, however, some entity is granted custodial rights |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #360 |
362. I completely agree that there are similarities between |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #362 |
378. I Think My Point Was That Grounding Folks Is A Legitimate Form Of Punishment |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #378 |
391. Or, IMO, a legitimate form of conduct. |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
146. Hell yes it is assault... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #146 |
230. No, assault requires intent to cause harm |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. You'd have to prove hitting someone prevents harm. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #239 |
260. The guard rail that one light smack to the butt stopped my stepson from climbing |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #230 |
241. No, they're hitting to punish |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #241 |
256. Who said anything about slapping a child across the face? |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #256 |
364. Several posters above mentioned it several times |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #364 |
381. I Second That... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #364 |
389. You were responding to MY POST Susang |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
163. No shit, hold the door for me. n/t |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
175. Sure we do |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
37. You should only beat your child until YOU feel better. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. Only if you think it is okay to smack adults around |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It's not discipline. It may or may not be abusive. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. It's an abuse of trust |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. I agree wholeheartedly with you there. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Not all abuse leaves bruises... |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. I know that. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. i dont know that it is MOST of the time. i know it is TOO often |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
346. I'll buy that for a buck. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
43. Would it have been OK for poppy to spank dubya? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. He probably did. Might explain part of who he is today. n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Obviously he should have used a bigger paddle. n/t |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
48. Very very rarely |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
52. Yes. Children are damaged MORE... |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. How is that? |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
235. I'm saying that it's not... |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #235 |
325. Sure it is. It is ALWAYS possible to discipline without spanking. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. Huh? |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
234. "2. do nothing at all?" |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #234 |
273. Your opinion is based only on your experiences |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #273 |
328. You are correct. Spanking is not considered effective discipline. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #273 |
374. "opinion is based only on your experiences" |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #374 |
387. Some people include scientific evidence when they |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #387 |
405. Yeah- I thought the other guys relied on faith... |
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Alfalfa Wolf (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
55. It's the parents who need to be spanked.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
58. cant answer. it is not ok for me, but i wont speak for another... n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
60. Sounds like the Bu$h Doctrine |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
63. Some Kids Learn to Enjoy Being Spanked |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. If you spank a child regularly he/she will grow up to be sneaky |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. ornery 9 and almost 12 yr olds |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
152. That last sentence is so true |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #152 |
161. You know, I've come to the conclusion |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
70. Oh, here we go again.... |
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tinfoilinfor2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
75. No, the only exception being if the child doesn't understand |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. My parents had the same exception. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
79. Hell No |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
81. I don't know. How common is spanking among |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. well that s certainly sad. i guess your generation, whichever it may |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Wherever I go, there are kids totally out of control |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. and i am sure as a child you nicely |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #98 |
136. Kids and adults should act appropriately to the situation, |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
86. Only a bully would hit a defenseless child. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Absolutely. Besides the concern about what |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. Spanking is an adult having a tantrum, IMO. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Yup. And while I've wanted to have one a few times, |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Me too. I chalk it up to being one of the many ill-advised things I |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
90. Sometimes. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. Of course it is. And we'd all be better off if more parents did. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
182. question |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
103. should never hit anyone, defenseless child or not, it’s always an assault |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
104. self delete |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
109. NO! And has DU turned into the Twilight Zone or what?! |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. A voice of reason |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #109 |
157. You're Not The Only One Who Is Puzzled. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #109 |
177. You left one off the list |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
184. no freaking kidding |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #109 |
211. Sometimes children do very dumb things, and spanking gets their attention |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. There are many, and better, ways to get attention. n/t |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #211 |
222. The consequences should be stern |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #222 |
251. Smack 'em. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #211 |
306. A child of that age shouldn't have matches within reach |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #306 |
380. People keep giving hypotheticals about life-or-death situations. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #380 |
397. Even in supposed "life or death" situations |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #109 |
285. I was spanked and don't have an ounce of violence in me. I could be the exception |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #285 |
316. It's statistical |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #316 |
320. Well I admitted that I could be the exception to the rule. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #320 |
323. "less than a good reason" is very subjective |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #323 |
329. I agree. I posted earlier that it should be reserved for the top 1% of bad |
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Synnical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
118. Never - Welcome to the No Spank Zone |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
121. "Spank" is a bullshit euphemism. Spanking is hitting, and hitting a child is never appropriate. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
122. What?!?! You don't believe in Spanking?! |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
123. I vote, "OK," but not effective. n/t |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
124. Other |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
131. I just spank other people's kids instead :-) n/t |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. LOL! |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. ding ding ding!!! |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
139. Only if it's okay for your child to kick your crotch with everything they've got |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
140. I voted no. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
144. My mom the former kindergarten teacher |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:14 AM Response to Reply #144 |
165. I can never understand the dipshits that spank to stop a crying child |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #165 |
245. I'll second that. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #245 |
297. "I'll give you something to cry about." |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #165 |
301. Now, I can see that. While I'm against spanking, what you say makes sense. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #144 |
318. Toddlers shouldn't be left to wander around campfires |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #318 |
347. I'm not talking about punishment, here |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-12-06 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
149. Our kids are bigger than we are..so I say NO |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
153. No. |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
156. Only, only, ONLY as a last resort... |
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Bettie (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
160. We don't spank our boys |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #160 |
166. It always reminds me of an old cartoon I saw... |
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Bettie (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #166 |
167. And that cartoon is the exact reason I don't spank! |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #167 |
192. FWIW Bettie, |
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Bettie (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 08:03 AM Response to Reply #192 |
272. Hey, if they behave in public, our job is done and done well... |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #272 |
304. LOL... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
164. YES. Pos & neg reinforcement and neg punishment is preferable, but |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
169. We preferred not to teach our children that violence is OK |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #169 |
243. That is so true. |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
173. I'll give a very qualified "Yes" |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #173 |
186. IMO the reverse is true |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
174. Children need to be taught reason not violence. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
176. No. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
178. spank my kid? |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
179. I don't like to spank my kid |
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johnnyrocket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
180. That's a loaded question, what kind of spanking? for what reason? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
181. Absolutely not. Ever. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Just Stop... |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #181 |
199. while I tend to agree that spanking is a bad idea |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #181 |
213. Kids are NOT "little adults"!!! |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #213 |
220. Not savages |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #220 |
229. The purpose of a swat in an emergency is not to teach them how to behave |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #229 |
240. LOL! Swatting someone in an emergency stops them from doing something |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #240 |
257. Speak for yourself |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #257 |
288. Your own example was not an emergency. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #288 |
345. You were not in my shoes, and have no business making that call |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #345 |
350. I have no business having an opinion? I have no business expressing an idea? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:25 AM Original message |
That's not what I wrote, but suit yourself |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
358. Fortunately in the United States we are free to have opinions. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. Yes, they are |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #221 |
228. Stepson, now age 23 |
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Ex Lion Tamer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
185. 3 kids and no spanking. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
187. Depends on how you define “spanking” |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
188. No, but if there is no injury I don't think it's for us (Children's Services) to deal with |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
190. yes, when they act up a spanking is appropriate. when my kids |
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ermoore (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
193. Criminey |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
194. It's abuse |
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ermoore (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Well, if Mister Spock says it, it must be true . . . |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #200 |
209. btw dear spock confessed to being wrong in much of what he gave parents |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #209 |
217. Early editions said to spank if it made you fell better |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. nu uh....... buti dont have the time to get the info.... may get back |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #223 |
238. Well, I did have the time to get the info |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #238 |
248. i knew there was something, didnt know what... thanks |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #248 |
366. I'm guessing he always was against spanking |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #209 |
224. Link Please |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #200 |
216. Sorry but spanking doesn't work - |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #216 |
237. it taught me. it worked for me ad one brother, not another brother. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #194 |
204. There Also An Inverse Relationship Between Education And Corporal Punishment.. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
196. There are ways of disciplining a child without hitting them! |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
203. Some spanking may be necessary. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
206. Sure. Sometimes a good whack is what's needed. |
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MissMarple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
207. No....but I think many of us understand the impulse to place a firm pat |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
208. Ward Cleaver Never Spanked The Beave... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
210. OK only if three conditions are met |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
214. Unqualified never |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
215. To all pro-spankers out there |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #215 |
246. that's why you've got to beat compliance into them now. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #246 |
250. u funny |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #215 |
249. my parents spanked me and they would get the best |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #215 |
258. My mom spanked me on several occasions |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #258 |
261. Uhmm |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
219. Conditions at my home growing up where professional.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #219 |
252. what i find boggling, all us that got spank and we say, not scarred, love parents |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #252 |
294. Please let me clarify - I never said or thought that a spanked child would not |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #294 |
300. but they are wrong..... the parent really isnt the best ever |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #300 |
302. "Best" is a matter of opinion. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #302 |
305. you DIDNT experience it. i DID. you dont have ANY call in it |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #305 |
310. Seabeyond, I'll simply ask you this: have you or would you ever disagree |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #310 |
321. if i tell you at 45, really balanced in lfie, everything about me projects |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #321 |
385. Do You Spank Your Own Children? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #385 |
388. no |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #305 |
311. I think all he means |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #311 |
315. What I mean is simply that people can disagree. My best friends and I are |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #315 |
334. it is what do with it. i think this is so important in growth. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #311 |
332. if it is what i feel, it is what it is. this is my point with this whole issues |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
225. I'll defer to Carl Sagan on this one... |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #225 |
236. Wait a second |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #236 |
312. Well, shouldn't they? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #236 |
342. He says it should not be REPRESSED. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
226. Spanking is so 1800's... |
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focusfan (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
227. i think there's a wrong and right way to do things |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
231. To a certain degree |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:42 AM Response to Reply #231 |
266. The Challenge Is What Do You Do When They Don't Respond To "Little Spankings" |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
233. NO |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
242. Chimpy was never spanked. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:03 AM Response to Reply #242 |
268. Au Contraire |
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paganlib (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
253. No!!!!! |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
254. If its "O K" to spank children its "O K" for men to smack women |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. with that thinking, it is ok if you ground a child, take away his toys |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #255 |
259. That has nothing to do with child abuse or domestic violence seaboyond. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 07:27 AM Response to Reply #259 |
270. spanking a child has nothing to do with domestic violence |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:05 AM Response to Reply #270 |
276. I think it's the same mechanism. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #276 |
278. i know you do. regardless of the many adults that come on here and |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #278 |
279. Indeed. There are many stories of love, as there are from men |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #279 |
282. right here, stay on agenda and tell me my parents behavior to me |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #282 |
284. I don't think it's acceptable to hit another person except in self defense. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #284 |
289. i dont think it is acceptable for people to judge others and expect |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #289 |
292. Seabeyond, I don't expect you to accept anything I have to say. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #292 |
293. when i tell you my parents did not abuse me |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #293 |
296. We have a difference of opinion. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #296 |
308. it is beyond difference of opinion. it is you being disrespectful |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #308 |
313. To the contrary - you can say your experience is whatever you like. |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #255 |
263. Who says if you don't spank then you must punish in another fashion? |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #263 |
307. I try to avoid punishment whenever possible too |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #255 |
275. You're stuck in a punishment mentality. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #275 |
286. i am not "stuck" anywhere. and i am not here for you to teach me how to |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #286 |
291. I'm offering an opinion, which as you know you are welcome to disagree with. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #291 |
295. you are wrong. i put forth, i was not abused. you say..... yes you were |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #295 |
298. Actually, I didn't say you were abused, though I do think it's |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #298 |
314. i am telling you i do not have the audacity to tell a person |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #314 |
317. Really? I would sincerely feel my life was lesser if people couldn't |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #317 |
339. you refuse to get it. as much as a person that feels spanking is right |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #339 |
340. No, I refuse to change this opinion. As do others who disagree. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #340 |
344. what opinion do you refuse to change? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #344 |
348. That hitting another person, except in self defense or defense of another, |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #348 |
351. i am not asking you to change your opnion on spanking. further |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #351 |
359. Again, Seabeyond, I mean no disrespect to you, and I'm sorry |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #359 |
363. i dont take things personally. what you give, i do not have to receive |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #363 |
365. Uh, just one thing... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #365 |
371. well f* |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #254 |
290. Good luck proving that causal relationship. Why does the former |
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flying_monkeys (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
262. Spanking a child is when the Grown Up should have taken a Time Out. |
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Limelight (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:57 AM Response to Original message |
264. The bottom line on corporal punishment is... |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:00 AM Response to Original message |
265. I have to ask, Was * spanked as a child? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:02 AM Response to Reply #265 |
267. He Was |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #267 |
271. I was being silly |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #271 |
377. Thank You |
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pinstikfartherin (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 05:16 AM Response to Original message |
269. Sometimes |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
274. I Used to Think It Was Just Fine - After All, It Never Hurt Me .. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
283. Yes. I was spanked once growing. It was definintely appropriate. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
287. Spank, occasionally yes (though I wont do it). Beat? Hell no. |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
309. If you have a good discipline system then there is no need to spank |
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Zero Division (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
327. I've seen no evidence to suggest that spanking is beneficial... |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
333. If physical punishment is okay at 6, why not at 16? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #333 |
382. For The Same Reason Schools Stop Paddling In Jr. Or Sr. High School. |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #382 |
386. Yup, don't want to hit anyone who might hit back n/t |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
337. Not only YES, but it should be MANDATORY. |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #337 |
369. Talk about wimping out |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #369 |
370. I also have to wonder what exactly is so wrong with the current |
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stanwyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #370 |
375. Good question |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #337 |
384. Elaborate...Please.... |
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slestak (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
338. I spank my kid |
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bugbones (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
341. Is it OK? No. Do even the best child therapists do it? Yes. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 08:21 AM Response to Reply #341 |
403. Do You Mean "Child Therapists" Like Dr. Dobson? |
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bugbones (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #403 |
404. I didn't know that was on his impressive vita |
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meldroc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
352. People have different interpretations of spanking. |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
353. Well, we don't spank, and our children do not speak disrespectfully to us |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #353 |
356. "You're acting like President Bush"... ah ha ha. take out president |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #356 |
361. I don't know...... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #361 |
368. that is the thing with this bad parenting |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
355. A slight clarification of my views |
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blwpyrtv (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
373. problem with spanking |
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LaraMN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
376. In my own parental life- it feels like a cop-out. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #376 |
390. Many people lack parental skills |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
383. no |
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bamacrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
392. I dont have kids but I got spanked as one. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
400. Yes, but only if we can use a cane! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #400 |
401. I Just Have A Problem With Hitting People Who Can't Hit You Back |
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