As long as the Big Lie of 9-11 is accepted, you are lost!

[RBHam]

Every time anything goes wrong for the neo-cons, they use 9-11 to justify it.

Yet to this day there has been no official finding of fact of exactly what really happened, let alone an independent investigation. Where's that white paper that Powell promised to take to the UN?

If John Ashcroft's trial by press conference is the standard used, then why do you people need courts at all? Just have prosecutors give press conferences and cut out the Judges and defense lawyers.

With the revelation that the extraordinary renditions to torture false confessions out of Muslim patsies directly correlate in time to the sudden spate of "Al Qaeda" bombings, it's time for all of you to start using your grey matter. The recent discovery that the "Able Danger" folks were shut down by the Pentagon and that their warnings of the Cole bombing were ignored should make all of this clear.

The "Shadow Gov't" knows no political power. They own the movers and shakers of both parties. They own the Media. They even own the election machines.

Revolution is now the only way. Independently minded Democratic politicians had their chance before the mid terms of 2002, but ignored the truth coming from thousands of voices. Worried about being branded "unpatriotic" (how is demanding the truth anything but patriotic?), they, just like the Social Democrats in Germany during the 1930's feared losing their phony, balony jobs more than protecting their own citizens from an Orwellian nightmare.

Soon Rummy's Special Branch boys will instigate another false flag operation somewhere. It will be pinned on the Iranians.

THEN it will be too late.

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. Which of the many 9/11 lies is the Big Lie?

Just curious :hi:

[Atman]

3. 9.11

The mother of all lies. The ground-zero lie. Lie-O-Palooza. Epicenter of the liequake. This was the lie used to spawn all the other lies.

In The GOP, No One Can Hear You Lie.

[bowens43]

5. What lies? Be specific.

911 itself is certainly not a lie. It happened.

[RBHam]

16. Specific?

http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

Official Stories

Bush claimed that al-Qaeda attacked us because they hate our freedoms. Condi Rice claimed that they had no idea planes could be used as weapons, even though "Bojinka" (a precursor plot) was stopped in 1995.

"Crossing the Rubicon" by Michael Ruppert documents a 2001 Rand Corporation report that noted the FBI and CIA only had minor communication difficulties regarding counter-terrorism intelligence that did not disrupt their effectiveness and were easily solved.

Limited Hang Outs

The concept of "blowback" -- al-Qaeda attacked us because they hate US foreign policies.

Fahrenheit 9/11 claims Bush was supposedly incompetent, too blinded by Saudi money to act on warnings that 9/11 was imminent -- which ignores evidence that this "incompetence" was a deliberate decision.

Liberal "alternative" media that pretend 9/11 was a surprise attack argue the Bush regime merely "hijacked catastrophe" to get war. These pundits include Norman Solomon, David Corn of The Nation, Alexander Cockburn, and Noam Chomsky.

The liberal pundits who attacked journalists daring to "connect the dots" about 9/11 foreknowledge information in the months after 9/11 provided enormous help to the Bush administration at its most vulnerable point. It is hard to say whether these people were intentionally trying to censor for covert purposes, or whether their reluctance is rooted in psychological inability to address these core issues. If these media experts had brought together a consortium of journalists in the months after 9/11 to sift through the evidence, separating the good from the bad, it is almost certain that Bush would not have been able to have the political capital to invade Iraq, steal another election, and likely would have been impeached by now.

Best Evidence

9/11 was allowed and assisted to create the pretext for Homeland Security and Peak Oil wars.

Foreknowledge is proven beyond reasonable doubt - the only question is the precise amount of technical assistance from the Cheney administration to ensure that the attacks happened as desired. Why is more important than how.

The Bush regime deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, suppressed FBI investigations (the agents had figured out what was coming), and ignored warnings from allied countries. A few corporate, military and political elites seem to have been given quiet warnings not to fly that day or to get out of the way (these claims are documented by the mainstream media sources).

Stock trades were placed on United, American and other impacted companies just before 9/11, and large trades like those are monitored by CIA. This scandal was covered widely in the international press until some of the "put options" were linked to a company with CIA connections by Michael Ruppert's publication From the Wilderness about a month after 9/11.

The Air Force and CIA scheduled war game exercises that morning that paralyzed the air defenses.

It is likely that remote control technology was used to "hijack the hijackers" to steer Flight 77 into the nearly empty, recently reconstructed and strengthened sector (instead of the crowded parts of the Pentagon).

Distracting Disinformation

The "no Boeing hit the Pentagon" science fiction stories ignore the facts. The "no plane" hoaxes imply that the hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, the crash and the rubble afterwards are lying co-conspirators covering up for Cheney. The physical evidence confirms the eyewitness reports -- the impact zone was as wide as a Boeing 757. These "no plane" speculations distract from real evidence, and discredit 9/11 skepticism inside the Beltway, both by the majority of the citizens (most voted against Bush) and the political and military elites (who were not part of the cabal that facilitated 9/11).

There are many other disinformation efforts to "muddy the waters" around these issues that discourage most Bush opponents reluctant to investigate the evidence for complicity.

The US State Department maintains a website for "Identifying Misinformation" that highlights 9/11 hoaxes regarding missiles allegedly fired at the Pentagon but ignores the quality work of Michael Ruppert, Paul Thompson, Nafeez Ahmed, Barrie Zwicker, Sander Hicks, Daniel Hopsicker, David Ray Griffin, among others. It seems obvious that the State Department is promoting the sloppy (fake?) efforts to allege 9/11 complicity while avoiding serious efforts to establish the truth. 9/11 skeptics who don't believe the official story should recognize this is an effort by the government to select which "conspiracy theories" should be considered representative of the 9/11 truth movement.

http://www.oilempire.us/911.html

[Atman]

20. Condi says "no one could have imagined!"

Yeah, right.

Even the dolts at Fox imagined it when the taped the pilot for the series "The Lone Gunman." If this clip doesn't give you chills, nothing will.

Lone Gunman

[Lydia Leftcoast]

40. Add to that: the Patriot Act went to committee on October 5, 2001

It is 342 pages long.

Three hundred forty-two pages.

If I, as a translator, were asked to translate a 342-page document (and I have translated books of that length), no savvy client would give me less than three months, on the principle that it takes as long to translate a document as it does to write it in the first place. Four to six months would not be unheard of.

Yet the Busheviks had the Patriot Act in its final form and ready to go to committee less than a month after 9/11.

Even if they had teams of lawyers drafting it round the clock, you couldn't just, say, tell 35 lawyers to draft ten pages each. You'd have to have a master outline, and then, after the 35 lawyers had finished drafting it, you'd have to submit it for editing for consistency.

I talked about this with a retired attorney who used to be a consultant for the Oregon State Legislature, and he said that there was no way in hell that the Busheviks could have thought up, drafted, and edited a 342-page bill to the extent that it was ready to go to committee in a little over three weeks. Even assuming that they had teams of lawyers working 24/7, they had to have had the Patriot Act sketched out pretty fully and perhaps even in its first draft BEFORE 9/11.

It was no "response to 9/11." They were just itching for a chance to implement it.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. I assume that 9/11 allows for everything from loss of freedom

...to cutting taxes for the rich.

When anyone on our side complains of a shift in power or wealth, we have to hear: "Remember a little thing called 9/11"?

No other president had such unprecedented power. Then 9/11 "happened".

Bullshit, 9/11 was not a blank check for republicans. If it was, if 9/11 devastated our republic to the degree that our democracy is lost, the terrorists won.

That's a lie.

[pocket]

29. it WAS MADE TO HAPPEN

on purpose

[DemInDistress]

33. Sept 11 2001 9:37am Bush speaks to a wounded nation

and says," america was attacked and I dont know who did it" at that moment I gave that scumbag the benefit of the doubt,maybe he didnt know but as the weeks and months passed what did we learn?
1.blocked 911 investigations
2.redacted findings regarding the saudi's
3.may 15 2002, NY Post headline,"BUSH KNEW" prez was warned of terror attack before they happened.
4.continued stone-walling into 911.

The list of 911 lies are extensive...
Results 1 - 10 of about 7,270,000 for george w bush 911 lies.

[pretzel4gore]

35. imo, the 'election' was the BIG LIE....

911 effectively overshadowed the crime of nov7/00 and dec 12/00....and as an add on,, 911 burnt the bridges on the mediawhores; they simply must support bush to the end now, or bush points out he never won any election; the mediawhores scammed the american electorate (which they've been doing for years anyway) and the mediawhores are the real guilty ones, hahaha...in 1917, when the russian revolution was becoming a civil war, the 'busheviks' ie bolshies, had the royal family murdered, a crime so atrocious that trotsky, upon hearing of it, was shocked, but he quickly recovered to say that the crime maybe a good thing as it 'gave the soft supporters of the revolution no choice but to press on to total victory or total ruin'....the busheviks did the same thing on 911.

[tatertop]

8. I agree, 9/11 is the mother of all lies

[malaise]

38. Yep

and hopefully those torture laws will be used to find out the truth from the world's greatest terrorists and liars.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Which one isn't?

n/t

[shance]

31. The lie that some guy named Osama Bin Laden did it and that

the Bush Administration wasn't connected with the attack.

They were and America needs to have the guts to WAKE UP.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. I comfort myself by saying you are a nutjob

but...there are too many questions left unanswered.

So I guess I'll just toss a cold one.

[Raster]

10. Here's a question for you Grannie: Four planes are hijacked in the most

controlled airspace on the planet. The SOP is to scramble fighter jets ANYTIME any jet goes off the reservation. The quoted response time is less than 20 minutes. No jets were scrambled until after each hijacked jet had either hit their target or was destroyed. The big question: who gave the order to STAND DOWN and not launch the fighter jets? Only someone with the authority to override issues of national security could order STAND DOWN. Please, name that or those persons.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

17. Make that two cold ones

I am very doubtful of the official line and wonder if we will ever know for sure.

I wondered about the jets myself, because if we are that slow to respond, all kinds of things can happen in the air.

[Al-CIAda]

23. See signature link-

[Peace Patriot]

25. Donald Rumsfeld. He pulled all NORAD decisions into his own hands,

three months before 9/11, and then was AWOL during the critical hour.

This is the one that gets me--burr in my side sort of thing. Why was our nation's capitol undefended? Why didn't they even take step one--of the standard procedures--getting an AF jet up alongside the 3rd off-course airplane for visual contact? What is it--we don't have enough jets in the Air Force? We're forking over a couple of hundred billion dollars a year for not enough jets to protect our capitol's air space? Couldn't even protect the goddamned Pentagon?

And, after it's all over, NOBODY is held RESPONSIBLE?

Bothers me no end. They had almost an hour's notice. WHERE was the Sec of DEFENSE?

"In a meeting," he said--while the WTC was crumbling into dust. Didn't know about it. And he's gotten away with this, so far.

[Atman]

12. EXACTLY...You "comfort" yourself with ignorance.

Don't get offended. I didn't mean that as an insult. But it sounds like the old story of the guy who loses his house because he's afraid to open all the certified letters from the bank. Not knowing the information doesn't mean the information isn't there for you. It simply means you don't know it. The real reality keeps on keepin' on, while the one you create for yourself allows you to live in a world where dictators, fascists and evil-doers are only the bad-guys out to get us, not the ones actually running the show.

It is a more pleasant existence, to be sure. But fantasy often is.

On Edit: Granny, you're an admired poster. I don't mean my response as a slap to you, more like grabbing a buddy by the shoulders and shaking him awake. I read lots of your posts, and respect your opinions. But anyone who thinks 19 Saudis were able to fly planes down the Hudson, and toward the Capitol of the United States, all on their own, is more delusional than W himself!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

26. No offense taken

I never thought I would say this at 55, but I'm tired and looking less to fix the world.

But I sense evil. I don't know the roots, but I know something is dreadfully off.


"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Steven Weinberg

[Atman]

28. Love the Weinberg quote, Granny!

Beautiful!

[scarletwoman]

42. Keep in mind: People do not steal an election (2000) to do good.

If you want to know at least one of the roots of the evil that you sense, take a closer look at the "Project for the New American Century" (PNAC).

"Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change,
is likely to be a long one,
absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event
– like a new Pearl Harbor."

-- from "Rebuilding America's Defenses"

http://www.pnacinfo.us/doc/

sw

[converted_democrat]

19. Yea, they torture people, wipe their ass with the constitution, and

start a war over lies, and spy on U.S. citizens, but they would definitely draw the line at 9-11, or something akin to it. Riiiiiggghhhtt

[Balbus]

22. Well said, Grannie!!

Isn't there a whole forum dedicated to whacko stuff like this?

[bobbieinok]

37. whacko??? there are real questions abt 9-11...stand down of AF + attempt

by W et al to stop any investigation + then the 'loaded' membership of the commission finally appointed to investigate + bizarre way Cheney and W 'testified'

[Balbus]

48. Wait, you're breaking up on me...

Okay, now I'm ready to listen!!

[BamaBecky]

41. Tallahassie Grannie - go do your homework

then tell us who the nut job is

Bama

[bowens43]

4. Talk of revolution is silly .

The only 'revolution' will be at the ballot box.

[RBHam]

7. They OWN the ballot box.

It's not who votes.

It's who COUNTS them.

[TNOE]

9. I firmly believe

the truth will come out - eventually. Hopefully, sooner rather than later. I saw on the History Channel the other night that apocolypse originally meant "the revealing" in Greek, which language was used in the original Bible writings and I do believe we are in a time of apocolypse. It gave me more hope (in addition to other things I have read) that the truth will be revealed and I think we're heading that way. I think this administration knows full well how many people have caught on and how many people know and can see the truth - thus the rush to get through everything that they've wanted to accomplish in record time. I think its nearly over for them and hopefully this is their last scramble. Truth always finds the light.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. BushCo needs another 9-11 event real bad

The shit is hitting the fan and too many people are making plea bargains for them to last much longer. They know it's the end and they want to go out with a bang. Let's just hope we can force them to go out with a whimper instead.

[TNOE]

13. Hey - just reminded me -

speaking of which - have you seen the promos for the Boondocks Cartoon? The promos says "the government is lying about 9/11". I about fell off my chair! WOW WOW WOW. The truth is coming, I can feel it.

[Ezlivin]

14. 9/11 was a classic "false flag" operation

Who benefited the most from the "terror" attack?

PNACers
Wall Street
Defense Contractors
Israel

You have to believe that our government was incompetent up to 9/11, but flawless afterward.

[Raster]

21. Qui bono? Who benefits. I don't believe in that type of co-inkydink

[pocket]

30. damned straight it was

.

[iconoclastNYC]

15. The Shadow Government: Also known as the ruling class.

The big banks, the big corporations, the old money families that endow all the thinktanks.....the politictians are thier puppets.

There is a dominant world order centered aroudn capitalism and that order is these people's gravy train. It must be protected. So they get the politicians to create false wars like "The Cold War" and the "War Against Terror"

The official truth of 911 has more holes then a 20 lb block of swiss cheese. The real truth will probably never be known. But you only need to look at what has been accomplished to come up with a motive.

We live in the Era of the Big Lie.

[AndyTiedye]

24. They Can't Lie About What Bush** Was Doing While the WTC Went Down

[bobthedrummer]

27. MIHOP, that's my take on 9/11- at a minimum MIHOP eom.

[patriotvoice]

32. whatreallyhappened.com

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

For those not familiar with the site, it has copious information relevant to 9/11.

[SittingBull]

34. Totally agree

like George :

Imagine, if you would, that you were a citizen in Germany right after the Reichstag fire had occurred. As you might know, the Reichstag fire was the burning down of the German parliament building by Hitler's men, which was then blamed on the communists in order to justify wars against neighboring countries. Do you believe you could have stopped the government from torturing communists after the Reichstag fire, by convincing people that Germans are a good people who do not torture others? Do you think that you could have prevented the spread of disinformation about the hostile intentions and military capabilities of ther countries? Do you imagine you could have stopped the brownshirts and loss of domestic rights? I believe not, not without first exposing that the Reichstag fire - the single thing which allowed the German parliament and other institutions to hand Hitler total power. The German's were in shock, and rallied around their "strong" leader.

Similarly, Americans are crazed by the fear of Arab terrorists just like Germans were terrified of communist terrorists. Both peoples have handed over all of their power to their leaders in order to buy an imaginary security.

The Nazis might have been brought to justice well before the Nuremberg trials if the Reichstag hoax had been exposed at the time.

I would thus urge your staff to review www.911Proof.com and to pursue the truth wherever it leads AT THE SAME TIME that you work to end the war in Iraq.



http://www.georgewashington.blogspot.com/

[lonestarnot]

36. And just WHY do you think they use it so much :hmmmmface: MIHOP!

They believe in squeezing it to the last drop! :freak:'s!

[soulcore]

39. amen. wake up world!

this was caused by fire. and nothing else.



or so they say.

:tinfoilhat:

[Oversea Visitor]

43. Yeah

fire back by super calculation.

[scarletwoman]

44. K & R -- c'mon folks, vote for the truth! (n/t)

[Peace Patriot]

45. RBHam, I'm thinking about your OP title, and I don't know if it's true.

"As long as the Big Lie of 9-11 is accepted, you are lost!" --RBHam

What does "lost" mean?

It was something like 20 years before the Warren Commission's 'lone gunman' lie about JFK's assassination was finally exposed, and debunked (by a Congressional committee), and by then it was too late to pick up the pieces of that crime and identify and catch the perps. We have been living with that lie to this day, even thought it has been quite convincingly proved to be a lie.

Maybe that's the "mother of all lies"--the one that has inflicted this country with a kind of psychosis. There have been so many lies. I think now, looking back through the filter of recent events, that JFK's assassination had to do with his curtailment of the war profiteers' plans for manufacturing war with Cuba and Vietnam. The situation at the end of WW II was that the war profiteers had created a completely reconstructed US economy, based on war readiness and on war, that was not--and possibly could not--be demobilized. They were on welfare, big time--a humongous wart on the backs of US taxpayers. Their purpose was to perpetuate that welfare at any cost. At the cost of a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union (which we now know would have ended all life on earth). At the cost of upwards of 2 million Southeast Asians, and over 55,000 US soldiers dead, and Vietnam laid waste. Given what we NOW know about this war establishment, I don't think that its biggest profiteers and decision-makers would have balked at offing a president who had peaceful inclinations. And these covert agents that Nixon later used were probably among the agents of it (when the issue again was peace--peace candidate George McGovern running in '72).

And it hardly can be viewed as a coincidence that we lost three major peace figures in a row, in the space of five years--JFK (who had refused to invade Cuba, and who had pulled the US "advisers" back out of Vietnam), and, then, in 1968, Martin Luther King (who had come out publicly against the Vietnam war only a year before), and RFK (who was winning the Dem nomination in the primaries in 1968 on a genuine peace platform).

Bang, bang, bang. Will we ever know who really committed these terrible deeds--that struck at the very heart of all hope for a peaceful and just United States?

I lived through those times--and also lost someone close to me to the Texas Tower Sniper. For me, it went like this: 1963: JFK (big hero of mine; I worked on his campaign when I was 16, where I met my fiance who was later killed). 1964: Father died in a truck accident; 3 civil rights workers killed in Mississippi. 1965: went to Alabama to join ML King, work on voter registration. 1966: Fiance killed in Austin by the Sniper. 1968: ML King assassinated in March; RFK assassinated in June.

I think that a big frozen place developed inside of me, that could not respond to these events. It was just too traumatic. Although I had personal traumas added to everything else, I'm sure a lot of people went through something similar. All our antiwar heroes dead. 2 million people being slaughtered in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Body bags of US soldiers every day in the news. More and more death. How could we take on the military/industrial establishment that had done this? We really could not. We were just babes in the woods at that time. Smart as we were--and transformed as we were, as a generation, by some intervening spiritual force in the universe (I just don't know what else explains my generation)--we didn't have much of a clue. We didn't have the internet, for one thing. Musical records were our means of communication. We were plugged in; but we were not smart enough or strong enough to be able to turn this Dark Force around, and tackle it in a practical way, and dismantle this military-industrial machine and conspiracy, as we should have done.

The psychosis is that everything is okay--and American democracy just tootles along, sometimes stumbling, sometimes working right, generally able to right itself when it goes too far off course.

That is the psychosis, reinforced every day by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. And you cannot address a psychosis--or heal it--by dire warnings, or any kind of histrionics, or even by the facts and truth. And maybe you can't heal a mass psychosis at all. Maybe it just has to run its course. It is a natural phenomena that is shielding the mind from serious trauma--in this case, shielding many millions of people. People who cannot face what we did in Vietnam--a war crime of the first magnitude. Cannot face the combined loss of all those good leaders. Cannot face what our country has become, after all the sacrifices of the Great Depression and WW II, and all the hopes of the '50s and '60s: a monstrous murderer, a producer of monstrous weapons, a killer of other democracies, and a corporate-run exploitation machine for raping other economies and peoples.

American democracy just tootles along, sometimes stumbling, sometimes working right, generally able to right itself when it goes too far off course.

Feel familiar? To me, it is a haunting description of where I retreated to, sometime around 1970, and only began to wake up from, in 1980, with the death squads in El Salvador, the assassination of John Lennon, and the ascendancy of Reagan.

I don't know if we can take the truth of 9/11--and I don't know that, if we can't take it, we will be "lost." Right now, I'm clinging to the notion of election reform--that it is not truth that is needed so much as practical power, restoration of our right to vote--the only mechanism of our sovereignty as a people.

I think that all these psychotic people we see running around, thinking on the surface of their minds that everything is okay, we'll muddle along and right ourselves--know the truth deep down, but it's so big and so monstrous, they don't know what to do about it, and most of them don't know that their power to do anything about it has been taken away.

Get that power back--our right to vote, our sovereignty--and you will see change, fast. And THEN we (as a people) will be able to face the truth, when we have the power to DO something about it.

I think the empowerment has to come first, and then the truth (or the full truth--for some know parts of the truth) will come second. Otherwise, the truth about 9/11 is just one more reason for feeling disempowered and helpless and retreating into mass delusion and denial.

I'm not saying, don't speak the truth. I'm just saying, don't expect people to be able to hear it and act on it, when they feel powerless and have, in fact, been stripped of their mechanism of power. First they have to realize THAT--that their power is gone--and do something about it, in the narrowing window of opportunity that we still have.

------------------------

Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

[shance]

46. Beautiful, heartfelt post Peace Patriot.

Thank you for sharing what must have been very significant, life changing moments in your life.

I also am triggered by what happened in the sixties because they are so connected with the secrecy and lies and propaganda that are pushing our nation over the cliff. The assassinations enacted by those in our own government are so much a part of what is being inflicted on America and other countries to day in the name of 'terrorism'.

[SupplyConcerns]

50. Thank you for sharing

I'm so sorry for what you've been through. I get more from your posts than from anyone else's here. I'm still waiting to see if your bold theory about the CIA leak case being possibly related to WMD-planting in Iraq will be borne out by events.

[tlsmith1963]

47. I've Wondered About 9/11 For Awhile Now

Something has never seemed right to me, so I don't accept the "official" 9/11 story at all. I think that the Bush administration either let 9/11 happen, or they were in on it. Too many things just don't add up. And since this administration has done so many disgusting things, it fits their m.o. to have had something to do with 9/11. They act like people who have something to hide. I think they spy on us because they are trying to see if we are on to them.

Tammy

[Lyle]

49. one word..... PNAC n/t

[Slit Skirt]

51. check this image out...out of an Airforce Manual before 9/11

which is, of course no longer in the Air Force Manual
sorry...I couldn't get the image on but here's the link

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/managing-wmd.htm



Another Official Pre-9/11 Image of the WTC Being Targeted

Update, 30 Nov 2004:



This variation of the image below has been located in another official document. It occurs in Air Force Manual 10-100: Airman's Manual, Aug 1999 version. The manual is here and here . The illustration appears on page 45 of the manual, which is page 49 of the Acrobat file. (Note that the image doesn't appear in the heavily reworked current version of the manual, published in June 2004, here.)






>>> It's getting hard to keep track of all the ways in which one of the biggest 9/11 lies--that the government just didn't foresee, couldn't have forseen, an attack on the World Trade Center--has been exposed. Add another one to the list. The image above is from the cover of the manual "Managing Weapons of Mass Destruction Incidents: An Executive Level Program for Sheriffs." The manual was given to people who participated in the training program of the same name, which taught local law enforcement how to deal with terrorist attacks. Notice that the cover is imprinted with the seal of the US Justice Department (and the seal of the National Sheriffs' Association). In the bottom right corner, the date is a little hard to read; it says: "Version: June 2000." The full 250-page manual--with "law enforcement sensitive" at the bottom of each page--was given to me by someone who participated in the training in 2000. (The program is now sponsored by the Office of Homeland Security, according to this page at the National Sheriffs' Association.)

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[Moderator]

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