ISRAEL: IRAN TO HAVE BOMB IN TWO YEARS

[kpete]

MK: Iran to have nuclear capability within 2 years

By Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent

Speaking after an assessment Tuesday by the head of the Mossad, Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee chairman MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) said that if Iran's nuclear program continues unchecked, it will certainly have operational nuclear capability within one or two years.

Steinitz added that if Iran possesses atomic weaponry, the region will become a "black Middle East" that will pose a danger and a threat to the entire world.

He stressed that a nuclear Iran would mean an existential threat to Israel, calling on the global community, under American leadership, to take steps to thwart the Iranian program.


Steinitz made the statement after the committee met Tuesday with Mossad chief Meir Dagan, who gave the panel an assessment on Iran's nuclear capability.

In a prior appearance before the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Dagan said that "Iran will reach the point of no return by the end of 2005 in its technological capability to develop a nuclear bomb. Three or four years later, they will be able to produce the bomb."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/663042.html
via:http://www.rawstory.com/

[HereSince1628]

1. Yadita, Yadita, Yadita... this litany has gone past boring.

[Name removed]

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[Colorado Blue]

18. Since when does the Israeli government run the US? It's

more like the other way around.

Don't you think the US, with its 200 million plus population, this enormously rich and powerful nation that you live in, which happens to spend billions on Middle Eastern oil, is just a LITTLE more powerful than a poor nation of 6 million, created largely of people fleeing persecution, holocaust and war, with no natural resources? Or do you really think The Jews Run The World?

Hello???????????

Do I have to point out that attitudes like the one expressed helped get these people persecuted in the first place?

[Name removed]

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[Coastie for Truth]

32. Did you actually READ (R-E-A-D) "PNAC" or just the blogs ?

and I am referring to PNAC's or just the blogs and the Berkeley Daily Californian?

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" is a plan for "projecting power to assert hegemony over mineral resources" -- period.

And how do you draw the illogical, blogsphere, Berkeley Daily California link between PNAC and Israel.

I have been in the "petroleum industry" as a government safety and environmental regulator, and in the alternative, renewable, and green energy industry as a working engineer, a manager, an executive, a licensing executive, and an entrepreneur for over 30+ years of a 40+ year career. And the industry stinks as bad as it is portrayed in Syriana

[newspeak]

34. what you mean

is STEAL resources. yes, It's called stealing. Murdering and stealing I believe is covered in the BIBLE. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors property.

[AntiCoup2K4]

20. Since PNAC installed themselves and the Chimp, that's when.

Or were you unaware that Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz, and others involved with PNAC are dual citizens with ties to the Likud party?

Facts are facts. This isn't the "Zionist Occupational Government" of white seperatist mythology, this is the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

[Coastie for Truth]

33. Are you unaware of the fact that PNAC's major funding

comes from the Scaifes, the Coors, the Kochs, and oil company executives.

Are you also unaware of the fact that while Bush is a (failed) oil man, Cheney is a very, very successful oil field services company executive?

Sweetie, this ain't the Zionist Occupational Government - it's a government of Big Oil, for Big Oil, by Big Oil. There is a kernel of fact in "Syriana."

[AlienGirl]

22. After the Greedy Oil Party tells them what to say

These wars are not in Israel's interest; Israel's less safe with the wars going on than they were before.

Tucker

[Jim Sagle]

24. Whenever Wolfie passes the word.

:sarcasm:

[wakeme2008]

2. Oh No... The Sky is falling and Bush has to save us before

he leaves office....

:banghead:

[NNN0LHI]

3. IRAQ HAS WINNEBAGO'S OF DEATH AND DRONES TOO! n/t

[BushOut06]

4. So what happens when we invade Iran and find no nukes?

Let me guess...they'll say "they were taken into Chechnya" or some other bullshit.

[Davros]

5. They should just cut to the chase...

...and start deploying troops to Iran. All of these warmongers are just itching to start another senseless war.

[newspeak]

35. Welcome Bushout06 and Davros

It's amazing we're worrying about everyone Else's nuclear capability and not our own. Ummmm, how about Pakistan and India? Anybody else worried about them? We screwed the pooch-non-proliferation--this administration doesn't know the meaning of non-proliferation. I mean if there is a country who is going to be pre-emptive and act with aggression, as a leader, I'd make sure I have something to protect, defend or threaten.

[Roland99]

6. "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

Bomb I-raaaan
Because we caa-aan

[walldude]

14. Oh god... please don't let that song make a comeback! n/t

[newspeak]

36. Bombs over Baghdad

byl Trudell. Came out after Desert Storm I.

[GrantDem]

7. I believe

that Isreal will attack Iran's alledged nuclear sites, Iran will retaliate and this will be the reason for the U.S. to further it's Middle Eastern Experiment (PNAC) by invading Iran.

Just a thought...

[No Exit]

8. Israel already has the bomb and so does the U.S.

So what are they worried about?

During the cold war, the USSR had nukes, and so did we. Yes, something really awful could've happened, but look what DID finally happen.

Lots of other countries have nukes. Why is no one obsessing over THEIR nukes??

Oh, I forgot. "Bomb" is just a code word for BOURSE.

When in the HELL is Israel going to learn that not everything can be solved by fucking WAR?? For that matter, when will the U.S. learn that? (Answer to second question: when Bush/Cheney is finally gone--maybe.)

[BushOut06]

10. Maybe Iran feels they need to counter Israel's nukes

After all, Israel did develop nukes first. Why is it okay for them to do so? Because they are the "good guys"? This whole notion that Iran would nuke Israel is nonsense. Israel has nukes, bio and chemical weapons, but wants the US to make sure none of their neighbors have them.

[No Exit]

12. I think it's nonsense, too.

There's some sort of political game of "chicken" being played here.

I have no doubt that it is related to that bourse which Iran is supposedly going to launch in March. Let's face it, the one thing that never fails to get "world leaders" up off their asses and all in a dither, is when their personal fortunes are threatened. And I have a feeling that a lot of personal fortunes are threatened by this coming bourse.

IOW, I think it's about money--big money--not about nukes.

[Nevernose]

28. Why? Israel's had 30 years to use their nukes

If the Iranians had anything to fear from Israel's nuclear weapons program, wouldn't they have found out by now? If the Iranian government still support terrorism within Israel's borders, and actively denies Israel's right to exist, doesn't that means that Israel has a pretty good reason to consider the Iranians enemies? (yet they still haven't used those nuclear weapons against Iran, have they?)

Note that I'm not defending Israel or its positions in the West Bank here, nor pulling a knee-jerk "Israel is always right." I'm just saying that, in this case, blaming Israel for Iran's nuclear weapons program doesn't make much sense.

If the Iranians are building nukes to defend themselves against anyone, it's us.

[Terran1212]

29. Israel uses nuclear weapons as a deterrent, as does Iran

[Nevernose]

30. But do they need them as a deterrent against Israel?

I'd say no, that that would just be the usual knee-jerk reaction of blaming Israel for anything that goes wrong in the Middle East (as opposed to the usual knee-jerk reaction of defending Israel no matter what its government does). If Israel were going to use nukes in a preemptive strike, they would have used them by now.

I have no doubt that they want them as a deterrent, but as a detrrent against a United States that functions "better" (in the view of some) when in a state of perpetual war and perpetual oil guzzling.

[Terran1212]

31. Iran has been under attack by US, Iraq, Israel...

Hell YES they need a deterrent.

[Coastie for Truth]

39. As does the US/Russia, and India/Pakistan. N/T

[Colorado Blue]

17. Ah - maybe when somebody will actually sit down and talk

to them? Recognizing that Israel exists would be a start. Only 2 of the 22 Arab League states do so, and have peace agreements in place and no formal border has even been created. This has left both Israel and the Palestinian people in a violent, unhappy limbo.

Meanwhile, the threats of extermination continue and revisionist historians are undermining the very underpinnings of Judaism, attempting to deny the existence of the Temple in Jerusalem, the Judaic roots of Islam and the Holocaust, let alone Jewish rights in the Middle East.

You might want to try and look at this from the other side.

[Solomon]

27. Look at it from the other side? The side you're giving is the only side

we been hearing for decades. I'm sick of Israel doing whatever the hell they want to do and if somebody says something about it, then "they're not looking at it from the right side".

We go through an awful lot of trouble and money for Israel. And rabid american rapturists want us to start WWIII for Israel. I'm sick of it.

[Jim Sagle]

25. When their neighbors agree to stop killing them.

Duhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

[spun_in_montana]

11. I would jump in here but

Im still stinging from touching the third rail of American Politic's on my blog with a post up about Israel and AIPAC....ouch.
Look out for the allegations of racism...but you didnt hear it from me as I aint one to gossip!

[Cults4Bush]

13. NOT Israel, that is a Likud mouthpiece making these claims.

Just like bushco and the death clown neocons dont truly represent the American people.

Other than that, I dare say this dog wont wag. The world is not going to stand for an overt military attack on Iran.

[AlienGirl]

21. A Likud mouthpiece speaking what Bushco wants to hear

The Republicans basically control the Likud, and they have figured out that if they can spin wars for US oil interests to be "for the defense of Israel" most Americans won't notice the real issue. The Greedy Oil Party wins both ways: they please their base and get their opponents to blame the whole mess on Israel and AIPAC.

Tucker

[Cults4Bush]

23. Well I am certainly not going to defend AIPAC or the Likud

But I will defend the people of Israel because plenty of Liberals exits there and they have an even harder time speaking out than we do. 100% agreed on what bushco wants to hear.

[Coastie for Truth]

37. That is the secret of the Big Oil Party

Use Israel and the Rapture Right as weapons of mass diversion for Big Oil.

The sick-o thing is so many otherwise intelligent people fall for that diversion - and blame Israel or the Rapturists --- and give Big Oil a Free Pass.

[Coastie for Truth]

40. I don't think anybody "controls" Sharon

but, I do agree that the GOP is the Greedy Oil Party - bought and paid for by big oil (including failed oil man Bush and successful oil field services man Cheney) and that they please their oil bazillionaire base and get their opponents to blame the whole mess on Israel and AIPAC.

I have been in the "petroleum industry" as a government safety and environmental regulator, and in the alternative, renewable, and green energy industry as a working engineer, a manager, an executive, a licensing executive, and an entrepreneur for over 30+ years of a 40+ year career. And the industry stinks as bad as it is portrayed in Syriana

[wadestock]

15. The sooner the better

Then there will be a much greater chance of peace in the middle east.

The US will have to give up on Dr. Thomas Barnett's grand theory about US takeover of the "gap" and all the neocons that want to fight a never ending holy war.

The solution to all of this is simple.
Have the US seize control of Isreal's 100 (+?) nukes and declare they are under the NATO umbrella and cannot be launched under Isreal control.

[DemonFighterLives]

16. And How is Israel's bomb coming?

Maybe Israel better get their diplomacy together to avert Armageddon.
This is so sickening watching this crap play out and the adults sit idly by.
Everyone gets nukes except the ones that we don't want to have nukes.
We make the rules- you just abide by them. dubco allowed terrorist ally Pakistan to get them as long as they agreed to hide bin laden.

:nuke: :argh:

[Terran1212]

26. And Israel runs operations with Homeland Security

My sister (who works in Atlanta for OHS), says the Israeli counsalte trains them on suicide terrorism.

[Coastie for Truth]

38. Duh-

I am a Red Cross Disaster Assistance Volunteer, a volunteer, a , and a United States Coast Guard veteran - and I sure as heck would like to have some Israeli counter-terrorism training.

And I'm one of the NGO volunteers that you are counting on - because the National Guard is in Iraq and FEMA is worse then useless.

[Terran1212]

41. The Israelis are more concerned with police state, suicide terrorism

I suppose the people who decided that the Israeli Counsulate should have a say into the Homeland Security Department's operations want to see the same kind of Draconian overt and covert police surveillance and presence in our streets as there exists in Israel.


I can understand why the Red Cross has been shortchanged -- their agenda is not giving security and military contractors huge deals of money, or part of the "terror" theme.

[Coastie for Truth]

42. Do you even know what the Israeli people were doing

URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND TRAINING

Whether it's a tidal wave (tsunami), surge (hurricane), tornado, earthquake, or terror attack -- the URBAN SEARCH AND RESCUE skills and techniques are "basically" the same. Maybe in a terrorist attack you look for unexploded ordinance.

This is fairly standrd "Fire Science" material. University of New Mexico and University of Nevada both have the DHS grants (and Israeli instructors).

This is and here is .

Here's our local and .

The training that I have had - where one of the instructors was Israeli - was recovering survivors -- and bodies -- from a train wreck. The only difference between, say, a collision with an 18 wheeler and sabotage, is looking for the unexploded explosives. The skills and techniques are "basically" the same.

I am not sure where you got the idea

I suppose the people who decided that the Israeli Counsulate should have a say into the Homeland Security Department's operations want to see the same kind of Draconian overt and covert police surveillance and presence in our streets as there exists in Israel.

but it does a disservice to the brave volunteers and professionals of urban search and rescue - and their Israeli istructors.

"Coastie"

*Lieutenant, United States Coast Guard (Honorable Discharge)
*FEMA Neighborhood Captain
*RED Cross, Disaster Assistance Team Captain, Shelter Manager
* Ham Emergency Operater (Extra Class License)

[Wordie]

43. Didn't Israel just recently claim that Iran would have the bomb by March?

Yep...they sure did. Here it is (there may be other articles, this is just the first I found when I searched):

To bomb or not ?Israel's Iran policy at issue in campaign
by Leslie Susser

JTA News and Features

JERUSALEM ‹ Iran may be just months away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb, and a fierce debate is raging in Israel over how to react.

http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=4504&TM=803.124