OBAMA CONCEDED ALITO WILL BE APPOINTED

[debbierlus]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060129/ap_on_go_su_co/alito

"We need to recognize, because Judge Alito will be confirmed, that, if we're going to oppose a nominee that we've got to persuade the American people that, in fact, their values are at stake," Obama said.

Thanks ever so much Mr. Obama.

I am glad I just spent the last week of my life trying to stop this devastation to our country. Thanks for pissing on all that work.

You are now officially ONE OF THEM

DINO

[xultar]

1. He's right. He will. We don't have enough votes to defeat. BE 4 Real.

[fooj]

2. Oh that's right. Obama is ALWAYS right.

How could I forget that?

Peace.

[debbierlus]

3. And, why do no we not have enough votes????

Because the dems have HIS attitude....

A defeatist, bend over, let democracy die kind of attitude....

But, they will do the right thing....

NEXT TIME....

Only there never does seem to be a next time does there????

[stray cat]

8. Because the case has not been effectively made to Americans

that Alito is a threat to their values. As long as it is only the left wing of the democratic party that is actively fighting against confirmation the moderate republicans will support Bush's nomination. The moderate republicans who have the numbers if they side with dems have to be convinced Americans will vote them out of office if they approve Alito - they know there is no pressure from their constituents to vote down Alito so they can afford to keep Bush on their side.

[fooj]

13. Bullshit. The majority of Americans do not want this man on SCOTUS

That's just pure crap.

Peace.

[vi5]

16. And the evidence for that is?

God, I wish it were true. And I think that if they knew what he really stood for they WOULD be against his nomination. But the fact is that they weren't convinced and I see no evidence that they were convinced. It sucks majorly that this is the case, and I still hope for the fillibuster but I've seen not one shred of evidence either anecdotal or in poll form that the majority of americans have been convinced.

[fooj]

28. Then you haven't been following the polls.

In every poll that I've seen...over 50% do NOT want Scalito on SCOTUS! Granted...sometimes it has been in the low fifties, however...that's still considered the majority.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=264999&mesg_id=264999

Peace.

[vi5]

37. That's only above 50% if you include the "not sure"....

..which is a bit of a stretch. That's the point. We needed to get those "not sure" people into our column. The hearings were the time to do that, as was buying up plenty of effective ad time. I think we failed on both of those counts.

[depakid]

23. He's a junior Senator

who's already made one too many rookie mistakes.

He should learn to keep his mouth shut while he's learning the ropes.

[Mass]

4. The American people are convinced that Alito is the wrong man.

If Senators do not see that and object in fighting the fight to the end, even if they think it is a long shot, when will they fight?

[stray cat]

11. Which Americans?

Are moderate republicans up in arms because Alito might be on the supreme court?

[globalvillage]

36. This is a good poll

http://www.pollingreport.com/Court.htm

According to this, half of the people polled don't know yet if they support Alito or not.

[stray cat]

5. "We have to convince the American people

that their values are at stake". Obama is right - the left wing of the democratic party is convinced but the case hasn't been made effectively to the majority of Americans and this means no pressure has been put on moderate republicans by the American people. The vast majority of Americans don't see Alito as an immenant threat and as a result Alito will be our next supreme court justice.

[stepnw1f]

6. His Political Career Has Been Sealed...

buh bye.

[vi5]

7. We claim to be part of the reality based community....

...well the unfortunate reality is that Alito WILL be confirmed even IF the dems attempt the fillibuster. And the reality is that we DID do a pretty poor job (with the help of the media of course) of letting the american people know Alito was out of the mainstream. Thanks to people like Biden who felt it more important to use his time to crack jokes about Princeton and play the funny guy, we DID blow a big chunk of our opportunity. It doesn't mean they shouldn't try, but the reality of it is that at this point, us clapping louder (isn't that something else we accuse the right/republicans of doing) isn't going to change that.

This isn't to dismiss the role of the media and/or the usual right wing smear/attack tactics played in all this, but we had 5 years to plan for this, and 5 years of knowing how the media works and what the right wing would do, and we STILL couldn't pull it off. And that sucks. But pointing that out doesn't make someone a DINO. I'm not even a big Obama fan to begin with but from the sound of it he's not entirely wrong.

[mac56]

9. And the dogpile just never stops.

He's SUPPORTING THE FILIBUSTER.

Repeat: He's SUPPORTING THE FILIBUSTER.

[Fridays Child]

10. Get it through your head, Mr. Obama...

The corporate media do not allow our messages to reach the public and because of that, American Democracy is critically ill.

Now, YOUR JOB is to pull out all the stops, use every heroic measure and every instrument available, TO DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER, to save this country because we didn't FUCKING elect you to sign America's death warrant, you IDIOT.

[joemurphy]

12. I find it interesting that the Republicans

have regarded it as their solemn duty to turn the Court right and eliminate a woman's right to choose. I wish sometimes that our so-called "leading lights" among liberal democrats possessed half the level of commitment to our liberal values.

Thanks for the enthusiasm, Senator Obama!

[debbierlus]

18. amen

[wiley]

21. These GOPers don't support Alito

http://www.gopchoice.org/index.asp

[joemurphy]

32. Poor deluded fools. Kinda like the Log Cabin Republicans, eh?

[wiley]

38. They could all become Democrats

and solve their problems. I can't see how any of them sleep at night.

[Gman]

14. So much emotion

leads to not being able to see clearly. Barring a major miracle, A-lie-to will very likely be confirmed. We're going to have to live with it.

I'm already resigned to the proposition that this country is going to have to hit absolute rock bottom before it begins to come back up. And I'm not talking about the kind of "rock bottom" we talked about when Reagan-Bush were president, that really bad 12 years. I'm talking about the general population getting to the point of pockets of armed insurrection that will eventually coalesce into one revolution against these bastards. That's still probably 3 to 4 years past the remaining 3 years Bush has left. If the neocons are able to continue The Revolution of 2000 beyond Bush's term, I am going into Y2K survival mode. I think we all need to start thinking about that.

[Windy]

26. That is why we need to retake the congress in 2006

Face it people.. filibuster or not, the man will be confirmed. while I hate to quote John McCain, what he said is 100% true. elections have consequences. I hope all of you that were working so hard to get the senators to filibuster will also work equally or even harder to help the Dems retake the majority. That's the only thing that will matter!

[graywarrior]

15. Fuck him.

[jim3775]

17. Alito will be confirmed even if a filibuster is 100% successful

and the dems get 41 votes against cloture. The repugs will just go nuclear. It doesn't mean a filibuster shouldn't be supported, it just means accepting the reality of the situation. Taking a principled stand on something (even if you will inevitably lose) is something that should be respected and commended. You are misinterpreting what he is saying.

[wndycty]

19. Any chance people get to bash Obama they will. . .

. . .it is so damned sad, but true.

[BigYawn]

27. Exactly, and then for the next 3 years ALL RW judges get

confirmed by a simple majority of 51 senators.
That is why I am saying till blue in the face,
that this freaking useless filibuster thing is
sucking the oxygen out of our winning issues, such
as HEALTHCARE, JOBS, ENVIRONMENT etc etc etc.

[wiley]

20. Wow! A whole week?

Keep fighting!

[debbierlus]

30. The last week has been a FULL time commitment to stopping him

I have been fighting for years.

So, you can keep your cheek to yourself.

[wiley]

39. So noted. My Apologies.

[Catchawave]

22. Alito's confirmation won't be a shock.....

will it?

But like many DUers, I'm hoping our Dem Party, their PACS and grassroots supporters, truly have hard evidence to stop this.

[BigYawn]

24. Scalito was confirmed on November 2nd, 2004 when 55 rogues

were admitted to the senate. That is the cold, hard,
reality. We can not stop Scalito at this late stage.
Filibuster is, I am sorry to say, is an exercise in
futility, a waste of our energy.

All the repugs need is to execute the change of rules
regarding confirmation of judiciary, which requires only
51 senators to sign on. If they execute this "nuclear"
option, IT WILL HURT US MORE!!!! Why you ask??

Because then, for the next 3 years, EVERY RW JUDGE GETS
CONFIRMED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

So wake up and smell the coffee. Until we capture the
senate or the WH, we are screwed. Why are we sucking the
oxygen out of other issues which will actually help us win
in 2006?

[applegrove]

25. Alito was always going to be confirmed. There was never any doubt.

Bush had the numbers to appoint anyone he wanted after the 2004 election. Done deal. Only question is how do Dems show their grave worry for the future of the court?

[debbierlus]

29. The dems can filibuster, forever....

As long as they have the 41 to hold, they can keep a filibuster going - that is what they should do. That will stop the Alito appointment and give brain dead Americans plenty of time to wake up from their comas.

[joemurphy]

34. All we can do is try.

Not doing what we can do -- trying to filibuster -- is acquiescing. Personally, I'm going to continue to call and fax and email and hope for the best.

For those of you who don't want to do this, feel free to refrain. But don't complain if Alito's appointment permits more wiretaps and more torture under Bush's "war powers". And don't complain if Roe is overturned. You will not have done everything you could to stop it.

[nevergiveup]

31. Ombama is correct

I doubt that a majority of Americans could pick Alito out of a line-up or select his name correctly in a multiple choice question and we are all to blame. It is always fun to pick on a rookie (Obama)....blame him....bash him....it makes us feel good doesn't it? We are all responsible for the unrealistic expectation placed on Obama....we expected him to be our great savior and he, of course, is not. He voted against Roberts, is voting against Alito and for a filibuster and made a comment about the reality of the present situation and some of you guys go bonkers. Give the guy a break. What he said was true. No one man alone could have stopped Alito. It had to be done collectively and we all failed.

[sandnsea]

33. He's right

Alito probably will be confirmed and the reason he will be confirmed is because we didn't make his nomination relevant to people's lives.

He could have helped do that instead of wasting time on this statement, but the statement isn't wrong.

[globalvillage]

35. Does he think the American people suport Alito?

According to pollingreport.com, 49% of Americans either "can't say" or "don't know" if they support Alito.
And 90% of Democrats either oppose or are undecided.
Persuading the American people is a pretty good reason to keep talking, IMO. That's an argument for filibuster.

http://www.pollingreport.com/Court.htm

[fujiyama]

40. He's voting against cloture

yet he's one of them.

:eyes:

[newsguyatl]

41. i knew he'd be a dino

as soon as he was voted in

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. I think Obama Was Dead On This Morning. I Find No Flaw In His Words.

Our efforts are valiant and we are standing up for what's right, but I am under no impression whatsoever that the end result will be Alito being withdrawn. If anything, they will go nuclear and get him through anyway, or bush will just appoint him during the next recess. So Obama is dead on in saying that we need to do better getting the message across to america what the dems stand for and why we are the best choice to vote for, so that we don't have to face this abuse of power and uphill challenges in the future.

I mean, do you disagree that we need to take the message to the people more? Or that we failed miserably with this nomination to really nail home to the public exactly what is at stake here?

I respect Obama for always standing up and speaking the truth with integrity even in the face of criticism knowing it may not be the thing some want to hear.

[pinto]

43. When it comes to nominations from a (R) White House to a (R) Senate:

"There's one way to guarantee that the judges who are appointed to the Supreme Court are judges that reflect our values. And that's to win elections," Obama said.

I agree with Mr. Obama.

(ed to add link, same as OP)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060129/ap_on_go_su_co/alito

[OKthatsIT]

44. Obama was a mistake ready to happen...to naive and he's as follower

in Washington with the big boys...he's a pipsqueek

[beaconess]

46. Why don't YOU run for office since Obama is too naive to be there?

Since you think he's so naive, perhaps you could step in and show him how it's supposed to be done.

But, before you try, you might want to consider that this "pipsqueak" has taken more names and kicked more ass than most anyone else in here. It's so easy to sit at a computer and second-guess folks because they don't always do exactly what we think they should do. But very few of us have the courage, the nerve or the savvy to get out there and do it ourselves.

[Hippo_Tron]

45. The guy is telling the truth, you just don't want to hear it

What do you want him to do? Lie to you and tell you that we still have a shot to defeat Alito and then we will lose the fillibuster anyway tommorow.

[beaconess]

47. Isn't it funny-the same folks who blast Republicans for being lock-step

automatons are now whining that one of our had the nerve to speak the truth, criticize his leadership and say exactly what he thought.

Apparently lock-step is fine as long as it's OUR orders they're following.

[Cascadian]

48. OBAMA IN 2008!!!

Yeah that's right! He is the right man to become a presidential candidate. Why? Because he telling it like it is. That as Democrats, we might as well roll over and let the Neocons win! :sarcasm: And people actually think he should run for President???? :eyes: Naivity is such an artform these days!:eyes:



John

[RSchewe]

49. No offense but this has been a MORAN point all day. Obama's NOT opposing

the filibuster. And by the way he is right, Dems in office have not marketed this issue enough. That is his point. He agrees ideologically but he is saying that the leadership is not taking the lead on this correctly and not selling it to the people.

For heaven's sake read exactly what he said on the show. Everyone knows that the papers (AP) have been misstating what he said.