A "Bush is the anti-christ" thread....

[louis-t]

Was watching a documentary on the apocolypse on the History Channel over the holiday. The description of the anti-christ fit bush to a tee, until they got to the part about him (the anti-christ) being a "great orator". I would interject that he only need be SEEN as a "great orator" by the masses to fit the bill. The MSM certainly seems to project the notion that somehow bush is a competant public speaker.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. There was a thread recently where someone said

that John Paul II thought he might be.

[Canuckistanian]

13. Yeah, I thought I read that too.

I thought that it MIGHT have made the news or caused a bit more of stir around here at DU at least, but I haven't heard much more about it.

Could this have been just another unverified story?

[Vincardog]

2. The AC was also supposed to be popular and good looking

It ain't the shrub.

[louis-t]

7. Again, perception could be the key.

How many right-wing fascist women swoon at the sight of him (a la Hitler). I'll give you a few: Karen Hughes, Condi, Harriet Miers...

Oh, I forgot Coulter.

[Vincardog]

23. How about if we eliminate the sHe men?

No offence but I am just saying.

[mwb970]

25. It's not just the women.

Gonzales seems a little ga-ga over the Shrub as well.

[pinniped]

8. Anomaly.

[Warpy]

3. Stupid is a halfwitted, querulous old drunk

who was lied and cheated into a position he in no way earned. That's not quite Antichrist material, although you may have some success in convincing a few of the Raptureheads of the possibility.

What believers always seem to get wrong is thinking of the Antichrist as a person, when it's any group of people whose beliefs are completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Whenever they come into power, civilization suffers and occasionally dies.

The loopy Calvinism of Stupid and his followers qualifies as Antichrist.

But Stupid, all by himself? Nah

[dflprincess]

5. Perhaps he's here to pave the way for the true antichrist

Like John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus. Lord knows Bush and Company are evil enough. (As I've said before, when I say the "Our Father" and I get to "deliver us from evil" I've taken to adding "You know who I'm talking about".)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. I think there is some "evil" person who enables him to take over.

n/t

[Occulus]

10. But then, in accordance with the Bible,

there is deception involved in the people who follow Antichrist. As I understand it (and every god knows I could be and probably am wrong), a great number of people will be deceived.

It strikes me that, were * Antichrist, his followers would be the deceived.

By that measure, the argument of "irreparable harm" the SCOTUS used as justification to put him in office strikes me as them being deceived as well.

I would argue that, were * Antichrist, it would be those who had the visceral, gut reaction on first sight that * would be bad news are the ones who were NOT deceived. And it is indisputable that, were Antichrist to exist, deception and lies would be par for the course.

I'm just saying it certainly would not have been by himself- the deceived would happily help him.

(as an aside, does the name Star Wormwood really mean anything? And don't we refer to Bush as "star"... aka * ?)

The part that scares me the most is, I don't know that I don't believe this.

[SkiGuy]

14. What do you men by that?

And don't we refer to Bush as "star"... aka * ?)

[Occulus]

16. An asterisk prints as a star n/t

[SkiGuy]

36. LOL, duh

I thought you meant his name means wormwood or something. Now THAT would have been scary!

[Warpy]

15. Well, we know his followers fall into three categories

the corrupt, the abysmally stupid, and the insane. We can make a case that the last two groups have been deceived.

However, they weren't the first and they won't be the last, and my statement of Antichrist as a group acting counter to the teachings rather than one man still holds.

After all, Hitler was a great orator. He'd have been a more appropriate candidate. This man in the White House is just venal and stupid. Without the group of Calvinists supporting him, he'd be nothing. Antchrist resides with the Calvinists, not with the one man.

[Occulus]

17. Well, yes, WE see him that way

but that only illustrates my point: WE are not the ones who are "deceived". Those who see * as a great orator and leader are deceived; you're right- he's NOT, by any means.

But that doesn't stop those being deceived by him from thinking he IS a great orator.

Sorry if I'm confusing people....

[KakistocracyHater]

24. wormwood means artemisia

also known as a cure for fevers for thousands of years, & yes it's bitter. A meteor was considered holy, look at the meteor fragments embedded in the cube-thing at Mecca. I think there's alot of purposeful misdirection in the Bible.

[zonmoy]

28. thus the fundies themselves could be considered the antichrist

since instead of teaching what christ taught and acting as christ acted they act as religious bullyboys and Pharisees

[BeHereNow]

30. 1 John 5 concurs with your observation:

"There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."
And WHAT is that sin?
FALSE teaching and HYPOCRISY.
Sound familiar?
BHN

[Nitrogenica]

4. Bush:Antichrist is my favorate bumper sticker on my minivan...

so at Christmas when we visited mom & dad mom (lifetime very wise liberal) said she didn't like that one, out of all my bumpers. She's afraid someone will vandalize my vehicle, I think that's the root of her dislike.

[Lost-in-FL]

9. Maybe he knows that and is playing stupid...

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. It's actually a brilliant ploy to get the dummies behind him....

the people from the red states (the dumb ones anyways) eat it up.

[pinto]

11. I would humbly suggest that a TV show has little to do with reality. It's

a TV show...interesting, perhaps, thought provoking, maybe, but call it what they may, it's not reality. It's a TV show.

[lovuian]

18. Well heres my evidence... to the Du Jurors

Antichrist qualifications:

Again, the writer outlines the character and work of Antichrist: "They went out from us, but they were not of us" (1 John 2;19); "Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denies the Father, and the Son" (1 John 2:22); "And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God; and this is Antichrist" (1 John 4:3); "For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an Antichrist" (2 John 7). Also the time, the Apostle places the coming of Antichrist at "the last hour" (1 John 2:18); again he maintains that "he is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3).

Ok first qualification... They went out from us,but they were not us"
He is an American but he is a traitor allowing the Plamegate to expose our CIA agent...

Second Qualification:
"He denies the Father, and the Son"
He suppose to be a Born Again Methodist... but does not attend church barely at all... He reads a Bible but its the ScottishRite Freemason Bible...He truly is a RICH MAN and doesn't believe in helping his fellow man... just getting richer...

Third Qualification:
For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an Antichrist" (2 John 7).

Lets face it Bush has seduced the Chrisitian Right with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell ... with his bible quotes and promises that he doesn't keep...He has seduced the Catholic Church with promises of no trials for pedophilia...and abortion continues under his watch... He has no intention of getting rid of that...

He comes at the Last hour well if there was a time when we needed a strong leader and got this Bozo ... this is it!!!

[BeHereNow]

29. 1 John 4 reveals it all where Bush and his followers are concerned.

4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(This applies not only to the Bush cult, but also to MANY cults among us)

4:2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(Try and find ONE source where Bush has fulfilled this: On the contrary, he quoted a part
Isaiah 61, declaring himself the one spoken of in Isaiah 61to the Church of Nazareth in Luke 4
as in the Messiah - Can you say BLASPHEMY?)

4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
(Well heck, I think his quoting Isaiah 61 is all we need to consider here...)

4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
(This is a promise of the ability to discern false teachers- and there are PLENTY of Christians
who have NOT been fooled by the blathering of twisted scripture that spews from
people like Bush, Falwell and Robertson, not to mention Dobson.)

4:5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
(Again, these self professed "Christians" only fool the other self deceived- those who
lean on their own understanding rather than testing each spirit according to scripture)

4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
(When has Bush ever listened to the Christians who oppose his actions? He refused to
meet with the elders of his own church who KNEW they were hearing the spirit lf error
from him and simply wished to discuss the matter with him.)

4: 7  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
(Need I explain this verse? I think it is fairly obvious that Bush has failed this test)

4:8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
(Hello?)

4: 9  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
(One living through Him would not be capable of doing what Bush has done: Iraq, Afghanistan
and abandoning the Katrina victims are the best examples I can think of)

4:10  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
(Uh, George, killing innocent people qualifies as sin.)

4:11  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
(As in OUR neighbors and everyone else- INCLUDING those who are not like us)

4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(As far as I have seen, Bush only loves wealthy WHITE American "Christians."
There were plenty of Christians in Iraq who are now dead thanks to indiscriminate
bombing and trigger happy soldiers.)

4:13  Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
(Which includes the ability to discern those who FALSELY claim such things.)

4:14  And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
(Again, FIND ME an example where Bush has ever testified this according to scripture?)

4:15  Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
(Ditto above)

4:16  And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
(Well if actions speak louder than words...what do you think?)

4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
(War on terror? Who's in charge of judgment again? George?)

4:18  There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
(Terror, Terror!!! Be Afraid!!! If George is made perfect in Love, why is has he made it his
personal mission to erase evil from the world? )

4:19  We love him, because he first loved us.
(ALL of us, including Gay people, Muslims, Jews, Atheists and every part of His creation)

4:20  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
(Need I say more?)

4:21  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
(And not just your rich white corporate buddies)

[tlm1959]

19. bush anti-christ

This kind of stuff only serves as fodder for the right. Bill O'reilly picks this up and says they are saying Bush is the anti-christ. The average Joe thinks this is ridiculous and promises to stay away from the zany left.
Why not just say he is a mediocre leader? Isn't there enough policy errors to pick on without making it personal?

[lovuian]

20. A MEDIOCRE LEADER!!!!!!!

try a FASCIST DICTATOR!!!

He stole the elections of 2000 and 2004
we have had
9/11 where he helped bin Laudin's family escape
PlameGate
Spying on US Citizens
Destruction of the Military and CIA
Katrina Debacle

Torture and PREMPTIVE WAR to boot


and Hitler was one of the AntiChrist ... and he did the same thing as Bush so ya OReilley's right he's being called that for a reason...

[tlm1959]

21. A fascist dictator?

Thanks for proving my point. More fodder for the right. This kind of stuff is the Born Again Christians best friend. By the way, most dictators don't have their abysmally low job ratings published in a public forum. Bush's low numbers are published every week!

[lovuian]

22. Well thats whats so sad about Bush he is a dismal failure

he isn't inspiring like Hitler was with the populace but he doesn't have to be he has Jerry Falwell Pat robertson and the Christian Right evangelists yelling every Sunday vote for God vote for Bush...

Its the new religion...
If you want to spread Christianity vote for George vote Republican

Anybody who votes against him is going to hell...

I don't care what Fox news thinks ... I think we need to understand what a terrible terrible man is at the helm here...

Tim ...can I ask you what you think of Bush???

[tlm1959]

27. what I think of Bush

On a personal level, I think Bush is a rich kid and a decent if overwhelmed guy. His sheltered childhood and his thinking he hit a triple when he was born on third base makes it difficult to relate to the rest of us. The Bush is evil stuff to me is just hysteria-just like the far right's dislike of Clinton.

On a professional level, he is an substandard President at best-instead of chasing down Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi money (the real terrorist problem), we get involved in Vietnam type of War where it is possible that the folks don't want us there. He didn't lie (heck, John Kerry voted his way in Iraq!), but his intelligence networks and his own judgement were lousy. He is the author of the largest Federal deficits we have ever known and government spending has increased at the fastest rate in several decades (even without the war spending). These deficits are the result of increased spending, not tax cuts. I thought the Democrats were the government spending party! Bush's immigration policy is a joke and openly subsidizes private businesses-they pay the low wages and we pay the health care and education costs. I thought conservatives were law and order types! Enforce the law-it is a crime to sneak in here! Bush makes me miss Clinton-a balanced budget, much needed welfare reform, an embrace of the moderate voter.

I am also convinced that some of Bush's posturing towards the Christian right is just that-after watching his Dad go down to Clinton with the help of Pat Buchanan, W. doesn't want anyone coming in to the right of him.

[lovuian]

31. Your making some good points here

The incredible debt...
the undercutting the wages of Americans by ilegal aliens

Well tim Bush isn't out of office yet
so hold on that
"The Bush is evil stuff to me"

We got two more years left and you got to admit
Abu Ghahib is ugly
Preemptive War is another
Do you think Bush was clueless that the Intel like the Niger Documents were legit... cause in Plamegate its going up the foodchain that Bush knew the Intel was false and yet he lied to the American public...

to take a country to war and have thousands of people die
so that halliburton can make some bucks well thats true evil to me...

But I'm just one of those off the wall crazy hystericals... sounding the alarm... I appreciate your opinion and you keep fighting Tim cause were on the same side deep down :)

[MellowOne]

26. When he raises himself from the dead in three days

then I'll believe it

[lovuian]

32. LOL!!!

Thats a good one!!!

[insane_cratic_gal]

33. How many times do I have to tell you!!!

Clinton is the anti-christ (and the Clenis!)

They blame him for everything else the Clenis might as well shoulder this one as well.

Seriously wasn't the whole antichrist thing written during the dark ages?

[britpopper]

34. We all know the real Antichrist...

Come on people, Dick Cheney is the Antichrist and he hand selected the Chimp to be his right hand jacka**...

[insane_cratic_gal]

35. No Dick's just the Tin Man

trying to get a new gold plated heart (halliburton of course)