It's starting folks. More troops are about to die. October Surprise?

[johnaries]

2 different friends have told me they have relatives being deployed. Neither can say where they're going, but apparently it ain't Iraq.
One of them says their unit has been told 1 out of 3 in their unit is now Marine Infantry, effective today.
The other friend's relative was Inactive Reserve. Special Forces.

My guess? Maybe something to do with the recent manuevers near Iran? Bushco knows they can't get authorization if Dems take Congress. Could this be Rove's promised October Surprise? Start a war with Iran to scare voters to vote Republican?

[democrat_patriot]

1. How would that scare voters to vote republican?

Seems like it would scare people to vote Dem to stop bombing Iran.

[Kerrytravelers]

5. People are stupid. If they think that we are in "danger"

they'll support anything. Even rethugs.

[Lindacooks]

7. Yep, the people who voted for chimpy are SO stupid, they'll

also believe anything that lying cretin says. And enough of the sheeple are uneducated with no logical reasoning skills, so they'll follow along.

[buddysmellgood]

2. I can't follow the logic. That is not to say that this isn't what Rove has in mind.

People are sick of Iraq and want out. Won't people be that much more pissed off if Rove starts a second war?

[Kerrytravelers]

6. I agree. However, so many voters don't pay attention.

[focusfan]

25. They might say Iran fired first shot without being provoked

[Kurovski]

29. Most people don't believe the liars in charge. It won't work.

But they may lie and say a (stolen) election went Repuke because of an attack. And the press would repeat it overandoverandoverandoverand...

[Danascot]

38. I certainly think so

In order to have the support of the people for a war the administration first has to make the case for getting into one. They haven't laid the groundwork with the people for a war with Iran. We haven't been attacked, their nuclear "threat" is years from being imminent, there's no good reason to attack them. People don't understand why we went into Iraq in the first place and why we're still there. The Administration's record on every front is so abysmal it has lost any credibility with a large majority. The electorate would punish the Pugs severely if they started another war. All but the kool-aid kids will strongly oppose war with Iran.

[ShortnFiery]

3. That won't work.

Nope, they may hope and pray that Iran does something STUPID while they are doing their war game exercises in the Persian Gulf but NO, bombing Iran would start a firestorm.

People are "worn out" from warmongering. The military is truly stretched thin.

No, I sincerely doubt that we have any "first strike" designs on Iran, at THIS time.

Now, if the Republicans steal enough races to hold onto the Congress, they'll whip up the rhetoric against Iran ... all bets are off then.

Odds of any independent bombing of Iran now, IMO, is slim to none.

[Skink]

4. This war isn't about the polls. If they don't start it while W is office..

they can't be assured of manipulating the price of oil.

[pooja]

14. Agreed.. they don't care about the polls. They need this war before

the election so that it doesn't matter whos in congress, action is occurring... Stay the course...

[Amonester]

15. W is in office until 1/09

(If Congress can't impeach him one way or another.)

Iran has no nukes for a long period. They work on energy producing stuff, and they are closely monitored. Russia (**'s "ex-boyfriend Putin") is against illegal strikes. Iraq's puppet gov. is majority Shi-ites (Iran "friendly"), and last (but not least, well at least for a majority of voters) about (+/-) 130,000 American troops are still risking their lives in Iraq because they were lied to.

Although, BushCo Chickenhawks Inc. have proven they don't care much about the troops (not more than they cared about Katrina victims, at the very least), IMHO, most voters would be furious against them if Iran would retaliate, thus creating perhaps a much bigger mess than there already is over there in Iraq, either "provoked" or "just maliciously fabricated" (using lies... the Polland/Germany type of "setup lies").

For all these reasons, BushCo will wait after Nov. 7. :scared:

[Raksha]

28. That is the best argument for impeachment I can think of.

Re >>W is in office until 1/09
(If Congress can't impeach him one way or another.)<<

Every day that Shrub remains in office increases the risk of war with Iran. You'd think even a Republican Congress would impeach him with something like that hanging over them. ANOTHER war that nobody wants except the neocons? Just the fact that they failed to stop him would destroy the Republican party, not just for a generation but forever.

[seabeyond]

8. my 18 yr old niece has a friend flat out said he was going to IRAN,

not iraq. he is new in the army

[pooja]

16. I'm getting the same info too... I think it will start in Syria... then Iran

will have no choice but to engage.

[Individualist]

9. No surprise to me

and others. www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2583039&mesg_id=2583039

The cabal is desperate and will do ANYTHING to maintain control of our government. As I said in another post, this is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence: Navy buildup in the Gulf for a "training exercise", phony Al Quaeda threat, less than two weeks until the election. If (more likely when) the cabal starts the war, they would very likely have the media whores spouting how our nation is in danger from the terrists, then implement martial law. No election would be held. Tinfoil hat thinking? Let's see what happens.

[saskatoon]

12. Desperate

Yes because they have an agenda and what they will do---remember the MAINE when we blew up our own ship, all those battle ships in the gulf of Hormaz, well one of them is going to get blown out of the water by guess who and then we Have to ATTACK.

[gaspee]

10. I have a theory

I'm not a donator (too poor) so I can't call up the thread, but there was a posting here and a few other places about a big attack on an ammo dump in bagdhad that some sources were reporting that caused high US casualties. Could the unusually high October casualty numbers be a cover-up from that incident.

Two of my cousins, brothers, 22 and 23, are being sent back to Iraq after having spent a year there already. They specifically said Iraq, not Iran. I am NOT happy, and neither is their mother. They're not happy about it this time either. Last time, they were all gung ho, but they were 20 and 21 then. They seem like old men now instead of the little boys I've always thought of them as.

[elehhhhna]

17. gaspee, lookie! You have a star!

Search away and pay it forward when you can.

Welcome to DU.

[Cetacea]

24. You rule!

O8)

[elehhhhna]

26. So true. So true...

:rofl:

[tblue37]

35. I just donated for you Gaspee.

Just a small donation, but enough to let you use the search function.

Welcome to DU!

[johnaries]

40. You see, that's one of the many things I love about DU!

It looks like you and elahhhhha both donated for gaspee.

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[Joe for Clark]

11. They have no idea where they are gonna go.

They are not supposed to. Its the way it works. Its not right, but that is just how it is.

There is real trouble in Baghdad right now - the 2nd "contain" mission failed terribly.

The only thing you could bet on, is they land in Kuwait and wait.

Been thru it a few times. Unless there is some movement toward Afghanistan, but thats not too likely.

I sure hope the best for your friends.

Joe

[pooja]

13. I've personally heard this and have read a few things as well

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/24/73123/443

here's a link to kos to

[lovuian]

19. WWIII is in the plans for the New World Order and they

have the most powerful army in the world but that doesn't mean it can WIN

[kimmerspixelated]

21. I'm inclined to agree

they will do ANYTHING to stay in control! Here's hoping there will be some inside action to stop the insanity, you know like a coup of some sort.

[saskatoon]

20. Link?

I highlited and tried to print and it wouldn't because of script error on page. I wanted to send in mail to people who don't have computers.

[pooja]

22. Try copying info onto a word page and then printing it out... looks

nicer and you can form it into a letter...

[elehhhhna]

18. johnaries, are they gone yet?

[johnaries]

27. Tomorrow. nt

[elehhhhna]

32. oh shit

[johnaries]

39. Yeah. I have a really bad feeling about this.

The one friend whose brother was Inactive Reserve Special Forces said they found out about 2 weeks ago. He just showed up at his parent's house out of the blue. They hadn't seen him in a while and asked him why he just suddenly showed up, which is when he told them he had been re-activated. He didn't even know he COULD be re-activated. From the way she described it, it sounded to me like he doesn't expect to come back, and he wanted to see his parents one last time. I mentioned this, and my friend agreed. I asked her when he was being deployed - she thought a second trying to recall, and then said "tomorrow".

This matches my other friend whose son is fresh out of Marine OCS and called her from an off-base pay-phone. He wouldn't have used a pay-phone unless he didn't want his cell traced. He couldn't tell her everything, and she couldn't tell me even what he did say. But she is worried. She didn't know about the manuevers near Iran until I told her, but she says it fits and she is even more worried.

I probably shouldn't have told her.

Jesus, please let me be wrong. But I think some major shit is about to happen.

[brentspeak]

23. Er, no.

Troops are dying because they've been put in a ridiculous situation. No different than what's been going on for the past three years.

[porphyrian]

30. It's not a surprise unless no one expects it.

Frankly, they can't be that stupid. The military is more on our side than theirs. That would be the final straw.

[pooja]

31. How many people know about this? Us? A speckle of the 300million

of us? It will be a surprise to most people.

[porphyrian]

34. You're kidding, right?

I don't mean specifically, I mean generally. There's nothing new to the Iran rhetoric. Hell, half of Americans couldn't tell you the difference between Iran and Iraq, let alone where they are on a map. It's all one big war to them, and as long as it doesn't get in the way of American Idol, they mostly don't give a shit. No one is going to feel more secure with opening a new front just before an election, which leads me to the military. They know the truth. They will do their duty like they've sworn to do, but they aren't going to be happy about the assholes who knowingly send them to die for a political maneuver, and they vote. So do their friends and families. There's no way political strategists would think opening a new front would be a good idea. Not now.

[hvn_nbr_2]

33. We're invading Granada

Seriously, it might not be Iran.

Overall, Americans love a war, until they get tired of it or it starts to hit close to home. Historically, 75% of Americans will support any war, anywhere, any time, for any reason or no reason at all. Until they get tired of it. Historically, any U.S. president can boost his approval ratings significantly by invading a small country. (Hence, my reference to Grenada.)

Remember before the Iraq invasion? Polls said that (these figures are very, very approximate from vague memory) 30% favored, 40% favored only if UN approved, and 30% opposed. But as soon as we invaded without UN approval and it looked like a glorious victory, it was 70-80% approved. The 40% who insisted on UN approval evaporated instantaneously.

The October Surprise could be an invasion of Grenada, or Bermuda, or the Seychelles, or Paraguay (protecting Murkins' property, ya know), or even Cuba since they don't have strong alliances with any superpower now. One place it won't be is the Cayman Islands because too many corrupt Pukes have their money there.

However, things may be shifting. The usual 75-80% approval may only be 60% this time because people are getting sick of it, but that could be enough to camouflage The Diebold Effect, or even to outright change the actual voting.

[GoogleTheTruth]

36. Seriously, it might be... and here's a theory...

Theory goes like this... Bushco has been stalling in Iraq for a specific reason... Iran. It's been stated that Iran is the real enemy and that Iraq and Afghanistan have been "seeds" of democracy planted in the Middle East to defend and if needed take out a country who has been very seedy for many decades and has stated outright that Jews should be wiped from the planet. Now, since the US "loves" Isreal and vice versa, I am sure the Zionist Neocons over there are pretty soiling their pants with Iran accelerating it's nuclear development program (for energy only of course! NOT). Now, with troops being deployed to the Persian Gulf, this can only mean one thing... a complete Middle East takeover. Have any UN forces been deployed? UK? French? If so, this will be quite interesting... and well, maybe, for the better. The Middle East finally forced into Democracy! /slaps self... the horror of it all.

[blues90]

41. This may be the entire reason of permanent bases

built in Iraq , since Iraq has for the most part been taken over and destroyed and life there is so expendable what better reason for the military bases in Iraq ?

This is of course just my own thinking but there are more than one base in Iraq and thet sure built them quick .. We have no real idea what they have on these bases as far as hardware or missiles .

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. We are alone in this

well, except for Israel of course.

At this point, if UN forces show up it will be to oust US. Russia and China may even join them. And they should, if we do something so murderous and fool-hardy. (again)

[blues90]

37. This subject keeps coming back

I really don;t know what to think , I do know it could happen and I certainly would not put it past the BCF to enter another attack so i am concerned about this .

I read it will happen and it won't happen and have no idea where this stands right now .

If it does happen it will destroy the world as we knew it and the world as we have it now , which is not so great anylonger .

I tie in all the lost jobs in america and the ignorence about Katrina and the troops as proof positive that the mass population does not matter even if millions die in one day , we are all expendable it seems .

I don;t see how we can fix the mess america is in now and the BCF knows how much they have deliberately screwed it all up .

To fix it for the citizens who are still alive we need jobs with real wages , healthcare and a system to pick those up and get them back on their feet . We have none of these things and I see no hope of this in the near future .

If we win the houses then maybe but i will not hold my breath .

[LSK]

43. it will not scare anyone to vote Republican

People fed up with Iraq DO NOT WANT another STUPID WAR.

[StellaBlue]

44. My friend's sibling is in a similar situation

Active service, got back from leave to find assignment mysteriously put on indefinite hold, awaiting orders to deploy elsewhere... ???

:(