How I know Cheney did confess to water boarding

[Solly Mack]

From this article,VP confirms use of water boarding, a review of Cheney answers.

From the article:

"In the Tuesday interview, Scott Hennen of WDAY Radio in Fargo, N.D., told Cheney that listeners had asked him to "let the vice president know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we're all for it, if it saves American lives."

"Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?" he said."

First of all, we are seeing water boarding defined as "dunking a terrorist in water". It's an attempt to minimize water boarding. The language is deliberate.

Then Cheney answers:

"I do agree," Cheney replied, according to a transcript of the interview released Wednesday. "And I think the terrorist threat, for example, with respect to our ability to interrogate high-value detainees like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that's been a very important tool that we've had to be able to secure the nation."


What does the underlined "that" in his answer refer to? It refers back to this - "dunking a terrorist in water."

So Cheney is admitting to dunking terrorists into water - and as "dunking a terrorist in water" is the deliberate and intentional minimization of water boarding, Cheney is admitting to the practice of water boarding.

From people that call torture "frat pranks", we can expect them to define water boarding as a "dunk in water"

Edit to add:from the Whitehouse site


"Q I've heard from a lot of listeners -- that's what we do for a living, talk to good folks in the Heartland every day -- and I've talked to as many who want an increased military presence in Iraq as want us out, which seems to be the larger debate, at least coming from the left -- cut and run, get out of there. One fax said, when you talk to the Vice President, ask him when shock and awe is coming back to Iraq. Let's finish the job once and for all.

And terrorist interrogations and that debate is another example. And I've had people call and say, please, let the Vice President know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we're all for it, if it saves American lives. Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?"


Cheney's response as posted at Interview of the Vice President by Scott Hennen, WDAY at Radio Day at the White House

"THE VICE PRESIDENT: I do agree. And I think the terrorist threat, for example, with respect to our ability to interrogate high value detainees like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that's been a very important tool that we've had to be able to secure the nation. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided us with enormously valuable information about how many there are, about how they plan, what their training processes are and so forth, we've learned a lot. We need to be able to continue that."

[I_Will]

1. I heard Randi quote from a transcript posted @ whitehouse.gov yesterday n/t

[Solly Mack]

6. I added the same portion from the WH transcript with link

Thanks for the reminder!!! Cause you did remind me to put it up there. :)

[shain from kane]

2. Just in time for Halloween. Back to dunking the witches.

From the internets ---


"Following the advice in the witch hunting manual Malleus Maleficarum - The Hammer of Witches - witch hunters used a variety of tests to try the accused. Believing that a witch wouldn't bleed when cut, they employed a variety of instruments to test this theory. (Though of course, the instruments often were blunt).

Birthmarks were often seen as the mark of the Devil. In a voyeuristic show, hunters would strip their victims before the crowd to inspect for the Devil's marks.

Another test - often shown in medieval woodcuts, involved dunking - or worse, throwing - women into a pond or well. If they floated , it was thought that they had been rejected by the water of baptism and thus were witches. If they sunk, it indicated that they were innocent. Of course, this could also involve drowning, but at least they were innocent and their soul was saved.

Confession under torture was another favorite. Using a variety of grisly devices, the witch hunter would try to extract a confession from the victim. Although torture was sometimes held in secret, it often was a public spectacle, providing entertainment for the masses."

[Solly Mack]

3. Amazing isn't it?

[spanone]

4. Karma will bite us on the ass, compliments of Cheney & Co.

What goes around....

[Solly Mack]

5. Yep

[shanti]

9. dude

:wow:

[Solly Mack]

7. kick

[Solly Mack]

8. More links to show Cheney confessed

CIA's Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described
http://a.abcnews.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866

"Harsh interrogation techniques authorized by top officials of the CIA have led to questionable confessions and the death of a detainee since the techniques were first authorized in mid-March 2002

The CIA sources described a list of six "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" instituted in mid-March 2002 and used, they said, on a dozen top al Qaeda targets incarcerated in isolation at secret locations on military bases in regions from Asia to Eastern Europe. According to the sources, only a handful of CIA interrogators are trained and authorized to use the techniques:

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

related link with video:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512160006



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14871154/site/newsweek/
"Sept. 25, 2006 issue - Waterboarding, which dates back to the Spanish Inquisition, is an interrogation method that involves strapping a prisoner face up onto a table and pouring water into his nose. The idea is to create the sensation of drowning so that the panicked prisoner will talk. According to The New York Times, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was waterboarded by the CIA. He eventually confessed what President Bush described last Friday as "information about terrorist plans we couldn't get anywhere else." Neither Bush nor any other administration official has acknowledged, on the record, the use of waterboarding or any other specific CIA method. But at a White House news conference, Bush passionately defended the once secret CIA interrogation program involving such "alternative" techniques as "vital." "

[malaise]

10. One of the WH press corp

asked if they had added a pool at Gitmo since it was not dunking.

[Solly Mack]

11. they saw through the obvious attempt (by Snow)at covering up

Cheney's confession.

[malaise]

12. The Press Corps behaved like journalists

yesterday.

[H2O Man]

13. No question.

Dick made it "crystal clear" where he stands on torture. He is a diseased soul.

[Solly Mack]

15. Yeah he did.

Cheney forget he wasn't behind closed doors, hanging out with his cronies, laughing over torture.

I'd wager he speaks of the torture policy with his cronies as casually as other people ask "How are you?"

[H2O Man]

14. delete