North American Union to Replace USA?

[helderheid]

My mom was driving through Washington and saw a freeway blogger sign that said North American Union. I googled for her and got some ultra conservative website and wondered what any of you had heard and thought of this:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

[RB TexLa]

1. Did the EU replace France, Germany, etc?

guess the left will soon join the right is screaming that the new world order will be coming for our guns and bibles next.

[Selatius]

7. Not yet.

The French voted down the EU Constitution, which pretty much put a wrench in the plans for an EU nation-state.

[hansberrym]

13. That never happened, you are misinformed. There never was an

EU constitution. And the Leader has never proposed any such thing as the SPP.




In other news, Oceana has never been in alliance with Eurasia...


War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is strength

[Counciltucky]

2. That article is KOO-KOO!

And not for Cocoa Puffs!

But consider the source -- it was authored by the same person who corroborated to write a book sponsoring the Swift Boaters. That's loony-bin shit right there.

It's unfortunate as well -- Canada's more liberal and could help swing some votes our way...

[ryanus]

3. Do you people even read any news? Yes it's real.

http://spp.gov/

Read it and weep (although the website doesn't show everything that has been planned).

[RB TexLa]

4. of course it doesn't, the people of the light and space aliens wouldn't

just show us would they? :rofl:

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

10. Oh, "you people" just don't get it

Go ahead and bury your heads in the sands of complacency while the winds of destruction carry the seeds of enslavement to the shores of...uh...Tripoli.

[ryanus]

12. Did you read the website?

Or do I need to cut and paste text for you?

On Edit: Here, get this book and read it.
"Building a North American Community"
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

"When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it."

Oh it's just the CFR, right? They don't have any influence, right? They don't set policy direction, right?

Lots of senator and congressmen, among others, are members of CFR.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. Ooh! Cooperation! Scary! n/t

[tom_paine]

5. Anschluss. Knew it was coming. It's still coming.

[helderheid]

26. WOW!

:wow: Thanks for the link!

[originalpckelly]

6. It is very much real. I might not mind it, if Bush wouldn't be able to rule...

all three countries with an iron fist, and if we had voted for it. No, no, we don't get that right anymore in this dictatorship.

[hansberrym]

8. What is there to "not mind"? No more Constitution ?, no more government

of the people, for the people, by the people?

In its place there will be a government by the Multi-national corporations, for the multi-national corporations. The US is not heaven on earth, but that is no reason to piss it away for a Neocon scheme.



edited for spelling

[originalpckelly]

9. I think expressed that when I said I didn't mind it...

except that I had not voted for it and that Bush would be able to control all of America. You have it right though, those big corporations are specifically creating poverty in America to gain power. It is because companies are not democratic institutions, they are the last form of tyranny. Employee owned and controlled companies are the only equivalent of democracy. I don't mean communism, because I do believe in competition, but these companies are really very evil.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

11. Jerome Corsi is a Free Republic habitue and Swift Boat architect

He is poisonous and any claim he makes is automatically suspect.

[bonito]

14. Its real

http://www.augustreview.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

[OneBlueSky]

15. despite the site and the author, is this an issue we can agree on? . . .

BushCo's plans for this North American Union ARE a matter of concern -- if not genuinely frightening . . . particularly since it will be in the hands of George W. Bush and Company . . .

could this be an issue where liberals and conservatives can come together in common cause? . . .

there are actually quite a number of issues like that . . .

btw, by "conservative" I mean your average, every day run-of-the-mill conservative -- NOT your moronic, dogmatic run-of-the-mill neocon . . .

[Dover]

17. All except the "bushco" part. This is a much more broadly accepted

change than just a party thing. Don't fool yourself. Bushco's charge is to implode our current system to make way for the new one. They have done so very successfully - dismantled our government, seized it's loot and redistributed it (like a corporate takeover), overloaded the system with Big Brother policies, thrown an endless stream of scandals and hot button issues at us to distract and draw our fire and spend our energy and resources. And all based on creating security for an insecure people.
And believe me, this dismantling, whether fast and furious or subtle and hidden, will continue regardless of which "party" is in office. Bushco is the bad cop as 'they' move rapidly toward the ultimate change, with no time to spare. Their 'team' has such depth that they can continue to rotate people in and out of positions as needed.


The idea is, in part, to create a globally regional trading block. It's initial phase is NAFTA. And like the EU, we will likely create a new North American currency.



The Independent Task Force on North America was a project organized by the United States Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations. It was chaired by former Canadian politician John Manley and advocates a North American Union, entailing a greater integration between Canada, Mexico, and the United States.

It was launched in October 2004 and published two documents - Trinational Call for a North American Economic and Security Community by 2010 (March 2005) and its final report Building a North American Community<1> (May 2005).

The final report proposed increased international cooperation between the nations of Canada, the United States, and Mexico, similar in some respects to that of the European Union.

Some Internet sources claim that this report, depsite its own language rejecting a political union, would create a North American Union.

Cont'd

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union



So do you believe the Bushco reasoning for a wall between Mexico and the U.S.? How do you think that fits?

[Recursion]

19. It "fits" in that it will never be built

And the people who voted for it know that. It's the bread and circuses they gave to their mouthbreathing constituents, but the plus side is they don't even have to build the circus, just say they will (and pay Halliburton a few billion to build it, but then, oops, economic & environmental impact studies just came in, we have to delay it... we'll get back to you; go ahead and keep the money).

Look: the fact that right-wing loonies are paranoid doesn't mean they are always wrong. Let's not forget that the whole MIHOP movement about 9/11 that found such a foothold on this site started not on the left but on the right, and has some continuity with the "ZOG" or "NWO" right-wing movement that made the far right bolt from GHWB (and frankly, along with Perot, gave Big Dog the '92 election). I'm not saying they're right about either conspiracy theory, I'm saying in both cases they smelled a rat before a lot of us did, even if it ended up being a different rat that we found. Their noses are more acute; ours are more discerning. So, whenever these nutjobs say something, my starting points are:

1) they are probably wrong about the specifics
2) they are probably right that something is up

[Dover]

25. Yeah, probably another hot button issue to dangle and hype

and a strong reaction against it could lead them to eventually further opening up of the border and new laws that allow ease of coming and going which fits right into the long term agenda. This, after leading the 'wall builders' on. I wonder if Israel's wall is serving similar purposes.

Or perhaps it's to apply pressure on the Mexican leadership for some purpose.

And/or a way to launder more money to defense industries, etc.

They really love it when something serves multiple purposes.

[helderheid]

16. kick for more opinions

[The2ndWheel]

18. And the USA replaced what was here before the USA

This is what organization does. This is why corporations merge. This is our never ending fight against entropy on display. It's not going to happen tomorrow. It's a long process, which has been happening for a long time now. It's the reason empires never stop while they still have power which to use. America didn't expand west on a Wednesday morning, it took centuries. Civilization does not like diversity. The most efficient number is 1(maybe 0, but...).

As long as we have the energy required to keep entropy from happening, something like the NAU has to happen. America has been expanding since day one. We'll either collapse into multiple small groupings, or expand into one entity.

[malaise]

20. That way Bushco can kill

States' rights. They'll just invade and conquer Mexico and Canada.

Add. Sp.

[NoPasaran]

22. Not to go off-topic (oh why the hell not?)

Some would say that we are in the middle of being invaded and conquered by Mexico as we speak. And what about the prominence of Canadians in our entertainment industry? Huh? Huh?:tinfoilhat:

[malaise]

23. LOL

:D

[helderheid]

24. .

:spray:

[Jed Dilligan]

27. Globalization pundits hope to see countries become obsolete.

This much is known--and also, it is known that globalization pundits have the ear of our government.

I think the "union" of N. America is being planned as part of a much larger plan to re-divide the world into production and consumption units. We're slated to produce food and ores, therefore, no need to educate us or maintain our middle class.

[RB TexLa]

28. food and ores, huh

:spray: is there a map of what production and consumption units will be where? Sad thing is I bet there are. :rofl:

[Jed Dilligan]

30. Not sure what you're laughing about

I don't find this topic especially funny.

[helderheid]

29. My stomach drops when I read this stuff.

[The2ndWheel]

31. Didn't America basically develop that way though?

That's how all empires are created. They expand, kill diversity, specialize every living thing for easy exploitation. Globalization has really been happening for thousands of years. It's just that these days it's on an actual global scale.