What's the plan for Iraq after Dems win?

[jseankil]

Obviously debate about the situation can occur without Repubs blocking it and spawn some alternative courses than the one we are on.

And if you are for troop withdraw, what happens to Iraq after that?

[Vincardog]

1. The Imperial storm troopers leave. Interested neighbor states and european

states send in peace keeping forces. The Iraqi's take control. They kick the radical foreigners out and go to work rebuilding their country.

[jseankil]

7. Honestly...why would they want to take part in Iraq after seeing the U.S.

lack of success. I wouldn't plan on any nations stepping in as peacekeepers. Some might support 1 side or another in war but they won't send in peacekeepers.

[Vincardog]

16. OK. When we are gone we will see.

[VC2]

2. the "plan" won't change

LoL democrat, republican...

same thing

greedy capitalists

[babylonsister]

5. Baloney. Explain your conclusion. nt

[VC2]

18. what is there to explain?

they are just different factions of the amercian capitalist party

[Selatius]

3. I honestly can't really tell

We say we're going to withdraw, but will the UN honestly send in peacekeepers if there is a raging civil war there? No, they're going to try to get a ceasefire first, and that could take a long time, and before then, Turkey and Iran could be sucked into the war.

It will be a repeat of Yugoslavia. The only difference is the combatants are fighting over a shitload of oil.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Force Bush to clean up his mess

[caledesi]

22. Agree. I get so sick of this question/comment about the Dems

not having a plan. It's analagous to * breaking vase, after vase and then saying, well what are YOUR plans? Hey, it's not my war *. You fix it!

[stillcool]

6. something other than this?

http://www.brusselstribunal.org/survey111105.htm

Survey of violations:

1. Crimes of War and Crimes Against Humanity

- First crime:

Some of the ugliest crimes committed by the occupation forces and by Iraqi military units are the ones committed in the city of Fallujah in the battles of November 2004, and which we summarize in the following:

1. The plundering of health care centers and their destruction by bombing as has taken place in the "Taleb Al-Janabi" hospital and in the Central Clinic. Further the Central Hospital was occupied; the staff and everyone in the hospital at that time were arrested. Ambulances in the city have been bombed and the rescue teams were hindered from entering the city, among them the convoy of the Ministry of Health, despite of the fact that more than 50,000 civilians still remained in the city.

2. Internationally prohibited weapons were used in the bombing of the city, such as phosphoric weapons, Napalm, bombs containing unknown gases, causing the blood to explode out of bodies. 24 carbonized bodies have been found in the area of the military neighbourhood. Surviving civilian eyewitnesses stated that the soldiers of the occupation forces entered the area wearing gas masks. Furthermore, cases of deformed newly born increased as a consequence of the use of such weapons. In a press conference, which took place during the battle, Mr. Khaled Al-Sheikhali, official of the Ministry of Health, confirmed the use of such weapons.

[babylonsister]

8. It's happening now and I don't know what soldiers are doing to

make it better, except getting killed.
We need to get the hell out and help when there's a bit of order there, however that's going to work. We are not helping as the sniper tapes witnessed. Americans are sitting ducks there.
We're hemmoraging money and blood, for what?

[BlooInBloo]

9. Leave, apologize, put up with shit from everybody about how...

... jackass we were, make such reparations as we can and are prudent... All the normal stuff...

[AlamoDemoc]

10. My fear is that if the Democrats win, they will stay the course in Iraq

Which means they will continue funding the war and will "stay the course", as it were...fearing that halting or bringing the troops home could damage America's image in the ME, which is a false notion, of course...because both parties have no stomach of accused of security threat to America.

[upi402]

11. here are the 2 plans -rejected by Republicans as cut-and-run

The first proposal, sponsored by Feingold and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, would require the administration to withdraw all combat troops from Iraq by July 1, 2007.

The other proposal — which most Democrats and their leadership support — calls for the administration to begin "a phased redeployment of U.S. forces" by year's end. The nonbinding resolution would not set a deadline of when all forces must be withdrawn.

(I think they're referred to as the Kerry and Murtha plans)


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/19/politics/main1731070.shtml

[ConsAreLiars]

12. War crime trials, and reparations.

Well, not in the real world. How Irag recovers from the bloody slaughter brought on them by the demons and monsters of Korporate Amerika is up to them. Vietnam managed OK.

[Imagevision]

13. Phased pull-out of US. troops beginning in 2007...

[Mr_Spock]

14. Force Bush to make a decision

Let him take responsibility and go down with his utter failure.

[Lexingtonian]

15. yeah, good luck

My guess is that things change a lot between now and early February, so it's not that easy to say.

The Maliki 'government' exists, in Iraqi eyes, to arm up the Shiites and convict, perhaps execute, Saddam Hussein (remember him?). When those two things are completed it will fail or be killed off. Americans have this funny idea that it exists to prevent a civil war, a delusion that Iraqis do not share.

So there will be civil war in a matter of months, if not weeks.

The intelligent American thing to do is to withdraw all Americans and equipment to safe haven zones, in which some of the evil of the invasion and occupation can be neutralized by protecting civilians from the massacres that are already taking place. Then it's a matter of letting the civil war run its course. I hope the Shi'ites win rapidly and don't massacre civilians too extensively, but there's no guarantee of it.

Bush will want to own Iraq until the Maliki experiment fails fully. Then the Administration will want Democrats to take over. I don't think Democrats in Congress can or need to do anything in particular until the Maliki government falls. Then they have to have a salvage strategy, and everyone knows the safe haven one. The question is, really, whether Republicans will not want to leave Iraq entirely and let it go completely to hell rather than take responsibility (something these "adults" never do) for at least the refugee civilian populace. That's a different kind of military commitment. UN command and deference would also be necessary for the last step, after the civil war ends- a peacekeeping reoccupation and a proper attempt to create a constitutional democracy.

[spag68]

17. First

Stop building huge permanent military bases. Second make sure that no US oil cos. get sweetheart deals. Third get Halliburton out of Iraq and into court. Forth, of course get our troops home by the forth of July. I could go on, but you get the idea,

[elocs]

19. Why not wait until we actually win? Patience is a virtue. n/t

[yurbud]

20. see Fallujah 2004--Bush celebrated by killing more faster

[Bluebear]

21. Stay tuned. nt