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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:57 AM
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Why, oh why, do I bother?
Patrick McIlhern is a right wing writer for the local paper, The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

I've written to him before about the gay marriage amendment that he so strongly favors. This article: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=510459 is his latest on the subject.

I don't know why I bother to reply to him. It's like pounding my head against a concrete wall but not quite as enjoyable.

This is my latest letter to him...

I'm saddened by the fact that the Journal-Sentinel has seen fit to give seemingly only one voice to the marriage debate. Yours. I don't see a glut of opposing viewpoints in the paper. That's just a shame.

However, since we've had this discussion already I'll just leave you with a couple of links that has information about gays and marriage. If you care to enlighten yourself I encourage you to take a look at them. If you'd prefer to be stuck with the self-imposed blinders you've obviously decided to wear then you can ignore them for what they are, information.

An Essay on Gay Marriage
http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm

Gay Marriage Helps Improve Marriage for Everyone
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/257902.htm

And, finally, since we talked before about the rights that straight people take for granted when you get married (and your contention that this can be taken care of with wills, power of attorney, etc) I strongly encourage you to read this and read it carefully. So many of these things can NOT be given by any of the things you say can grant them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benefits_of_marriage_in_the_United_States


I won't change your mind. I'm sure of this. But I do hope this will at least open your eyes. I won't deny that some gay people want to get married to simply flout it to the public. However, for those in a caring and committed relationship, this amendment moves them to second class, back of the bus types with little hope of change. So many rights that you take for granted we will never know. And for some reason, this is OK with you.

You said:
"But just because we can't go back to the 1950s doesn't mean we should give up. We have to find a way to hold the line.
Law didn't make marriage or invent its woman-and-man nature. But law can screw it up by undermining key parts, such as its permanence, weakened by no-fault divorce. The institution isn't our era's possession, to tamper with as we see fit. We should vote yes to keep it as is.

This may feel mean. Perhaps it is. But how much crueler to alter utterly the meaning of something society needs and can't easily replace."


But, for some reason unknown to me, you seem to ignore the fact that this is what these people want. A sense of permanence. A sense that they're bound together, by law, in the eyes of their family, the community, and, if they so choose, their deity.

You don't need to bother to reply. I know we'll just end up rehashing our last conversations. But I hope come election day you'll remember the lives of the faceless people that you're changing. And I hope you'll at least care a little bit. Though I won't hold my breath.



Will Bowden
Milwaukee, WI
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:59 AM
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1. Sorry, can't answer that.
I really don't know you Will.

;-)
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:05 AM
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2. Well, it's simple enough...
To know me is to love me. :-)
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:07 AM
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3. Nice letter, but if this guy longs for the 1950's, it will have little
impact on him. He's of the mind that 'marriage' is for men to 'own and control' women....got that from his condemnation of no-fault divorce laws.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 12:00 PM
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4. I know how that's like...
... met somebody in some forum, talking about how great anti-terrorist achievements Patriot and Military Commissions Acts are. I stated the Benjamin Franklin quote about giving up freedom for security and getting and deserving none of the both.
He couldn't make the connection, believe it or not : "your statement is a non-issue, I have not given up anything, freedom is actually greater now."
Next statement he made was that if only people that know about the issues were voting, the R's would sweep every election...

A lost cause, a waste of time but I needed to get that off my mind somehow.

(And starting to argue about gay marriage is like trying to explain calculus to somebody that is too stupid to understand how to actually add numbers.)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 02:41 PM
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5. Hi ForeignSpectator!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 02:43 PM
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6. Because
you have too?
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 03:52 PM
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7. Hm...
That's probably the closest to an answer I'll believe. :-)
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