Synchronized masturbation via the internet isn't SEX to many

[patrice]

Republicans. As long as there was no penetration, it IS okay.

Of course, to the rest of us, that depends upon what the definition of "is" is.

But, having seen all of those nice little silver abstinence rings worn by kids, a fair number of whom, were using everything but penetration as the coin of the realm, I have my doubts about how big a deal Foley is going to be.

The operative word here really will be "naughty".

We've got to explain why it IS more serious than that.

[rocktivity]

1. It's more serious because Foley knew his "partner" was under age 18

The operative word here really ought to be "criminal."

:headbang:
rocknation

[patrice]

5. People will counter by attacking the victim.

Limbaugh and others have already started that meme. Saying, in effect, "These kids are teases, not victims." That line will work well with a certain segment of voters.

[Redbear]

2. Whether it was "sex" is not the big issue

It is about abusing kids and abusing those you have power over.

Nobody thinks that is "okay"

[Dissenting_Prole]

3. Actually, the big issue...

is that the United States took a giant leap further into being a fascist police state on October 2nd.

Is everyone distracted enough yet?

See you in prison camp.

[shadowknows69]

6. Bingo

its a sexual harrassment situation. We just happen to be exposing a potentially dangerous predator in the process.

[buddysmellgood]

4. No we don't. We just need to keep repeating Republican and pedophile in

the same sentence. They can explain all they want.

[Carni]

12. Yes thank you Buddy

If the limbeciles et al can't figure out that a 50 some year old man trolling for naive 16 and 17 year old boys (who report to him in a employee type capacity)
is wrong...then it's not my job to teach them correct moral and ethical behavior.

[Solo_in_MD]

7. If it wasn't for cybersex, he would get no sex at all?

Seriously, while I don't get cybersex, there seem to be segement who do. Stuff I read says 90+% of the women/girls doing it are acutally male. Oh the joys of screen names/profiles...

[patrice]

11. I'd like to see that study please.

I'm not challenging your veracity, I'd just like to pass it along to someone I know who has a professional interest in that particular kind of statistic.

[Solo_in_MD]

30. It is net lore...

Not sure it could be verified and studied...

[blogslut]

8. No, but it could be considered solicitation of a minor

n/t

[TahitiNut]

14. As soon as a meeting was suggested it was solicitation.

In the context of erotic banter, the suggestion to meet "crosses the line."

[Rex]

9. Whacking off right before a vote in Congress - eww.

I wonder how many things Foley has touched after jizzing, only to be touched (with possible mircojiz) by another Congress critter? I guess statutory rape is okay to Repukes, as long as it is done over the 'Internets'. :eyes:

[patrice]

15. Think of all of the hands he shook.

Don't get angry, but it DOES bring to mind Bill Clinton.

I know the differences in re consenting adults et al, but putting that issue aside for a bit, there will be many who say someting to the effect, "If felatio isn't Sex, then cybersex isn't Sex".

But of course, we will hear a great deal about Monicagate as we go down this road.

[Igel]

17. Quite possible we'll hear about Clinton.

If a BJ isn't sex, then is Internet sex sex? It'll be a nasty semantic tussle. Just as having Foley's office searched will be a problem for many dems: they were aghast when Jefferson's office was searched--violation of separation of powers, yada-yada--but cheer when a repub's office may be searched. It's not the law, morality, or even a principled kind of semantics, it's partisanship. And that plays well to maybe 35% of the voters (on either side)--and plays very poorly to the 'missing' 30% that de facto decide elections.

It's got to be the age of the kid(s) involved, the acts involved, and whether or not the kids directly reported to Foley.

[patrice]

25. Trial by Fire for the Democrats. I'm glad of that.

Maybe in the struggle between these two parties the Real People will step forward.

[treestar]

29. Isn't there a difference here, though?

This would be purely for a criminal case. The local police would have jurisdiction. IIRR, it was WHO searched Jefferson's office that was the issue.

[Rex]

24. Yeah, I've seen them 'roll' out the Clenis already.

Sean 'Baby Jesus' Hannity, "Now I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP THE NAME (drumroll) but, Bill Clinton yada yada yada."

They are hot on that one already.

[sui generis]

10. who gives a crap. What about this illegal war?

Let the republicans whine about weenie crap - that's the extent of their virtue and of their values. Meanwhile people really are dying every day, 15 U.S. soldiers since Monday alone. Where is the outrage over that?

Let the republicans piss and moan and wring their hands over this - we need to address real moral values issues, like letting the republicans continue to kill our soldiers in a war that cannot be won for political gain.

[xchrom]

22. foley eclipses the uptick in soldiers deaths.

interesting juxtaposition.

[helderheid]

13. It's only sex if you're a Democrat. n/t

[patrice]

16. This point will reveal their Hypocrisy.

It should be repeated loudly and often.

[JVS]

18. I'm not a Republican and I don't consider that to be sex

Super-creepy? You bet! But definitely not the real McCoy.

[helderheid]

19. So it's not cyber sex? Hmmm...

[patrice]

20. I haven't heard yet whether there was at least an opportunity for

real physical sex, or sexual contact.

Whatever happened is at least cybersex.

I was just bringing up the point that many people do not consider cybersex to be Sex.

[William Bloode]

21. To me what the big problem is is power.

He was taking advantage of a position of power, and using said power over young men. In my (Southern)state is is illegal for anyone in a position of power over a young adult (even over 18)to have any type of illicit contact with their charges. Goes for teachers, teachers aides, probation officers, etc.

Also the bigger portion is the cover up. Just like Watergate it's the cover up that looks worse than the crime. House leadership knew of these abuses of power and yet did nothing.

[Totally Committed]

23. "Synchronized masturbation... isn't SEX to many Republicans....

As long as there was no penetration, it IS okay."

So, according to this, a b.j. ISN'T sex. Then why the hell did they do everything but crucify Bill Clinton over his "indiscretion"? They voted to IMPEACH him over his "lying" about it, too.

I think the Republicans have rules that only apply to them. LYING about sex is an impeachable offense, especially when it is to the American people, but LYING about going to war, when THOUSANDS of young Americans will die, is not.

Internet sex by a Republican with an underage subordinate is "naughty"? Homosexuality isn't a Republican's fault if he was abused in childhood? A Republican cover-up of a scandal of this magnitude is "justifiable" this close to election time? Foley's hiding in rehab, Hastert is standing his ground, and the entire Party is out doing spin on any show that will have them. No personal accountability. No admission of wrong-doing. Hell, those kids had it coming to them! WOULD THIS BE THE CASE IF IT WERE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT HAD DONE THIS HORRIBLE THING? No way.

What a bunch of deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest, lying criminals the Republicans have proved themselves to be. They came to Washingtom in 1994 as a "reform" Party, ready to undo all the "wrongs" of the Democratic leadership, and they have managed to destroy our country, our government, and shred Democracy with their LIES.

TC

[patrice]

26. That should be the basic issue: Hypocrisy!

"Because we are RIGHT we can do no wrong and shhould therefore have ALL of the Power." Including all of the power to decide for you what is right and wrong, e.g. killing innocent people on the other side of the world, for something they MIGHT do, regardless of how probable what they MIGHT do is. It's okay to kill them to show the rest of the World that we are strong.

[Armstead]

27. Well, it's certainly not as satisfying as trhe real thing.

I wouldn't know from personal experience of course. O8)

Sorry. That was too tempting.

[patrice]

28. I'm with you on that.

Although I haven't done Everything, I am a rational person, so my agreement with you is based on some experience. Porn of all kinds just seems so Weak and Afraid to me it's hard to respect people who need it. There's nothing like the real thing.